Slipstream defensive tactics?

[African Kat]

Just wanted to know the tactics used by GTP'ers to defend overtaking moves on long straights such as Fuji. For example, i don't defend - if someone 'slipstreams' me, i'll just hold my line, allow them to pass and hope to stay close behind for the lap until, if still very close to them, i can make the pass on the straight.
I've seen all sorts of defensive manoeuvres online - whats yours, and what do you think is a defensive move we can standardize, so everyone can use that 1 tactic, for example, in Formula One , the driver is allowed 1 defensive 'block'?

 

[Fuzzy]

Just wanted to know the tactics used by GTP'ers to defend overtaking moves on long straights such as Fuji. For example, i don't defend - if someone 'slipstreams' me, i'll just hold my line, allow them to pass and hope to stay close behind for the lap until, if still very close to them, i can make the pass on the straight.
I've seen all sorts of defensive manoeuvres online - whats yours, and what do you think is a defensive move we can standardize, so everyone can use that 1 tactic, for example, in Formula One , the driver is allowed 1 defensive 'block'?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

Go to Number 10. Thats about Defensive Driving. 👍

 

[BroncosXR8]

Generally swerving to block is a no-no.
Others have talked about a 1 move policy, however I hold my line if the other racer is close enough to draft me than thats him/her being a good racer, i'll try and catch them on the next lap.

 

[Anghammarad]

I do nothing.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I stay in line. If I get passed then I get passed.

 

[Jay]

I do nothing, I continue driving the line I usually do (some rare exceptions but nothing major) and I hope they would/will do the same when I am drafting them.

 

[African Kat]

Thanks for that @Fuzzy, that addresses a rule we can all use, though online with non GTP users, i wonder how they'll react to that one change in line at the end of the straight

 

[Boffin]

I have a little fun with them and start snaking on the straights and see if they follow suit. If they come close, I accept the fact they are going to over take and get in position to slip right behind them.

 

[humpus]

A leave the door open on purpose, let them take the inside line in the next corner and 8 out of 10 times they brake too late and go wide. I pass them on the inside again with a higher speed coming out of the corner.

 

[Ferrari_Tifoso]

Just lift a little bit when someone is right behind you, let them pass, then get right on their slip stream and pass them right before the first corner.

Or if you have a really fast car, don't slip stream. Most of the time if you slip stream a slower car you'll pass them too soon, and what ends up happening is they'll re-pass you right before the first turn. So if for most of the straight you can keep them on your side, and slowly inch your way past them, you'll get them at the first turn.

Or you can just drive outside the racing line and protect the inside at all cost. This works really in Suzuka's main straight. It's really hard to pass on the outside of "first corner".

 

[Jack]

I have a little fun with them and start snaking on the straights and see if they follow suit. If they come close, I accept the fact they are going to over take and get in position to slip right behind them.

No point in snaking over the track. Firstly its against the OLR and they are going to catch you whatever. They just follow the slipstream and will gain on the car infront no matter what.

I've seen all sorts of defensive manoeuvres online - whats yours, and what do you think is a defensive move we can standardize, so everyone can use that 1 tactic, for example, in Formula One , the driver is allowed 1 defensive 'block'?

What do you mean a defensive block? Your allowed to change direction once, then back to the race line IF the car following isnt directly behind within around 4-5 car lengths.

 

[Boffin]

or thats maybe what I should of said I used to do - on my old account.

These days I let them pass and if there is room, I'll pull behind them and if not, when they pass right at the end, they're probably going faster than expected and shoot off. Usually the latter triggers me to stop and wait if it's a two horse race.

 

[African Kat]

By 'defensive block', i'm referring to the rule in Formula 1, where you are allowed to defend your line, once only, if under threat of being overtaken on the straight. The lead driver does this by moving into the path of the following driver. They are allowed just 1 movement or 'defensive block'.

 

[balang_479]

I always move to the inside and then back just to interrupt the slipstream abit, it works, but if they pass me they pass me...

 

[GTP_Mav3r1cK]

Down the long straight (at Fuji for example) if your being tailed and about to be overtaken, then I don't thnk there is anything you can do. If however you are approaching a corner, I don't think it's unreasonable to cover the "racing line" by ducking to the inside - if that means you block the driver behind well in my opinion that's racing.

Is that not a fair and reasonable approach to the situation ??

 

[MJH]

It depends on who i'm racing against. Most times i will just let people draft and pass me on the straights. If it's near the end of the straight I'll sometimes take a defensive line into the corner, unless the other driver is coming in too hot, in which case I'll break early, let him past, get a fast exit then re-take the position after the corner. Also occasionally i will take different lines every lap, so the other driver doesn't get used to my lines, and will pick up my draft slightly later.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Only thing I do is enter the straight (if possible) more to the inside, or immediately go to the inside upon exit to avoid immediate slipstream, and then return smoothly to the normal racing line. Fuji main straight and Suz back straight for example.

But only if I see it will work (driver behind is far/not near enough). Sometimes they forget and stay on the outside and it's enough to break away.

If someone is really close I won't bother, I don't want to break the guys concentration, get him nervous and cause a crash that will take both out...

I don't take inside lines when braking, if you brake late enough, and someone can brake inside, turn in and exit with enough speed for me not to be able to switch back into the front, then he's clearly faster and deserves to be in front of me. If he can't hold, I take the position back... That's as fair as it can get.

 

[Ravenmaven]

I do nothing, I continue driving the line I usually do (some rare exceptions but nothing major) and I hope they would/will do the same when I am drafting them.

Same here. Daytona road a prime example the other evening.

 

[Logic]

I generally won't move or "defend" the draft by blocking or swerving. I will however take say the inside line and make the person in the draft take the outside (long) line. For example on the main straight at Suzuka I'll often hug the wall if I am trying to defend forcing the person in the draft to take the long line (but proper line) around into turn one while I hold the inside and usually reach the brake zone first forcing the person in the draft to conceded to advantage effectively. This works less well at Fuji and doesn't work at all to a drive who won't respect your line and doesn't mind making a pass with contact.

 

[FLASH48]

Last night i saw something that surprised me at Fuji 650pp. This person drove the whole front straight on the grass, so i couldn't draft him/her.

 

[Obli]

If your cars were equal for acceleration and top speed down the straight, shouldn't the grass should slow them down though...?

 

[EDK]

This post answers the question, as it relates to GTP_Registry members.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

Go to Number 10. Thats about Defensive Driving. 👍

So thanks for that, Fuzzy. 👍

It's addressed in there so that the rule does not conflict with others that say you may choose the line you would like. And it also does not allow our drivers to weave around the straights like a bunch of lunatics.

Personally, I just maintain my line. If a driver wants to and is able to pass using the slipstream, so be it. I've run a lot of tight, clean races just trading spots with a closely matched driver.

 

[Watevaman]

I always keep my line and hope the other driver is considerate and allows me to slipstream behind him/her.

 

[Jay]

Same here. Daytona road a prime example the other evening.

Which was a good race by the way 👍

 

[CodeRedR51]

No point in snaking over the track. Firstly its against the OLR and they are going to catch you whatever. They just follow the slipstream and will gain on the car infront no matter what.

I do this anyway. If I have worked most of the race to get to the front, I am going to defend the lead when I get it. The slipstream in this game is way too strong, and if they want to snake with me they can. I don't actually swerve back and forth, because that slows you down. I just take one hard right then ease back into the racing line down the straight. Seems to work most of the time.

 

[MadMax]

I keep my line, but let them pass when I see that they are clearly in the draft.
This doesn't happen that often since I'm mostly the one behind


MadMax

 

[FLASH48]

If your cars were equal for acceleration and top speed down the straight, shouldn't the grass should slow them down though...?

I was driving the M3 and the other person was in a Subaru. Maybe somebody else could
have stayed with him/her, but not me! Try running on the grass in freerun, and see if it slows you down.

 

[Ravenmaven]

Which was a good race by the way 👍

Yes. The only problem with the Daytona race is at 549PP (which you were running) the order of the cars would have you in front. Which makes you vulnerable to the draft at the end of the first lap, me the second, you the third and so on. This is a fairly common scenerio at Daytona road and Daytona oval when two evenly matched cars and drivers are drafting back and forth. You can predict the outcome before the last lap based on PP. This did not happen in our race because I passed you out of sequence. You had the last draft as a result. And happy to let you have it as you were very fast the whole race. 👍

This does make things a little predictable. Perhaps employing some of the acceptable techniques described in this thread might make the end of such races a little more exciting. Would you change your strategy to make this race more interesting? I'm not sure I would. Sometimes just having a decent race is good enough.

Rave

 

[Jay]

Yes. The only problem with the Daytona race is at 459PP (which you were running) the order of the cars would have you in front. Which makes you vulnerable to the draft at the end of the first lap, me the second, you the third and so on. This is a fairly common scenerio at Daytona road and Daytona oval when two evenly matched cars and drivers are drafting back and forth. You can predict the outcome before the last lap based on PP. This did not happen in our race because I passed you out of sequence. You had the last draft as a result. And happy to let you have it as you were very fast the whole race. 👍

This does make things a little predictable. Perhaps employing some of the acceptable techniques described in this thread might make the end of such races a little more exciting. Would you change your strategy to make this race more interesting?

Rave

459PP? I would have been uber slow at that PP, I should have been 550PP thats all I run at.

Only time I ever go below is by accident when I forget to change my weight due to the bug in GT5P, but that shouldnt have been a problem as lately on Daytona I have been trying a 100% weight setup with a little extra power for the straight. I am usually placed down the back of the grid (like that other race with you and Jackington I was down the back).

But anyway I enjoy the battling/close racing much more than the win, the finish was very close which is what I enjoy 👍

 

[Ravenmaven]

459PP? I would have been uber slow at that PP, I should have been 550PP thats all I run at.

Only time I ever go below is by accident when I forget to change my weight due to the bug in GT5P, but that shouldnt have been a problem as lately on Daytona I have been trying a 100% weight setup with a little extra power for the straight. I am usually placed down the back of the grid (like that other race with you and Jackington I was down the back).

But anyway I enjoy the battling/close racing much more than the win, the finish was very close which is what I enjoy 👍

Sorry mate. Meant 549.