Smoking Front Tires

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Hey, I just have a quick question. Even since I got my DFGT when I turn the wheel to or past 90 degrees from center to go around a tight bend the front tires smoke and loose grip ( this happens to nearly all of my cars including the ones which use tunes that can be found in this forum). This happens no matter what drivetrain. I was wondering what can I do to my cars setup to help prevent this?
 
Hey, I just have a quick question. Even since I got my DFGT when I turn the wheel to or past 90 degrees from center to go around a tight bend the front tires smoke and loose grip ( this happens to nearly all of my cars including the ones which use tunes that can be found in this forum). This happens no matter what drivetrain. I was wondering what can I do to my cars setup to help prevent this?

Welcome to understeer.
 
First, move more brake balance to the rear, like 3 or 4 front and 8, 9 or 10 rear.

Next try adjusting your LSD settings. High LSD settings can cause understeer. If fronts turning red in first part of corner, prior to apex, lower LSD decel. I tend to run under 10 except for really fast, squirly cars. If they turn red from apex to track out, lower initial torque or accel.

Third, adjust front toe to toe out and rear tow to zero or toe out.

Fourth, change your camber settings. You are either too high or too low. Can't tell you which without seeing your whole tune. Most cars have a sweet spot of like 5 digits (like between 1.9 and 2.4, for example), depending upon the car and the rest of your tune.

Fifth, you can change sway bar settings. I am finding that above 4 on fronts seems to reduce grip more and more from there up.

Sixth, springs and dampers. Lower front springs and dampers.

Seventh, you could max out front downforce and reduce rear downforce, if equipped on the car.

I'm not recommeding which order you do these in. I tend to work down this list mostly in this order, but not always. Just supplying seven options for you to get your front/rear balance in order. I didn't mention balast becasue I don't use it often. Don't think it's needed except for a few MR cars.
 
i wouldnt change youre set up first, change youre driving first. Whats happening is youre exceeding the limits of the front tires. So you need to turn less. A set up change may make it better, but the root cause is you are turning the wheel to far. If you have a controller turn full one way or the other at a stop, then begin to accelerate. The game will automatically start to back the steering off for you. It may not do this with a wheel, depending on what options and aids you have set.
 
i wouldnt change youre set up first, change youre driving first. Whats happening is youre exceeding the limits of the front tires. So you need to turn less. A set up change may make it better, but the root cause is you are turning the wheel to far.
This. 90 degrees is way too much steering input. It's not the car.
 
zodicus
i wouldnt change youre set up first, change youre driving first. Whats happening is youre exceeding the limits of the front tires. So you need to turn less. A set up change may make it better, but the root cause is you are turning the wheel to far. If you have a controller turn full one way or the other at a stop, then begin to accelerate. The game will automatically start to back the steering off for you. It may not do this with a wheel, depending on what options and aids you have set.

I think that's probably it. None of my cars did it before I got the wheel. I guess, like many other things, throttle control is the answer. ( Also I drive with no aids except abs 1)
 
On a controller, when you fully tilt the stick, the wheels will only turn to about the maximum angle they can turn before sliding.

Its pretty much a steering assist you can't turn off.

When using a wheel though, this assist does not exist, so you can turn the wheels as much as you want, even if that mean that the angle of the wheels is too much for the grip they have.
 
I think that's probably it. None of my cars did it before I got the wheel. I guess, like many other things, throttle control is the answer. ( Also I drive with no aids except abs 1)

I had the same issue when I first started using my G27 a few weeks ago. I was constantly overloading the front tires. I've had to adjust my driving style to brake earlier and feather/ease the throttle. I was feathering the throttle when I first got it, but just too much and too early. It took about two weeks but I've finally adjusted my driving style.
 
In GT5, if you watch the hand movement from in-cockpit, you'll note that even with full stick on the DS3 you don't get beyond 90 degrees.

In real life, if you're driving hard on track, you will rarely ever turn the wheel past 90 degrees (and then, only in very tight, slow hairpins). Most high speed turns require only about 45 degrees or less steering input.
 
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