Spinning out in GT5:P

[Rage0329]

This is probably the best place to confirm. It's been a while since I've played GT5. I don't want to start racing in that with my DFP while I'm half way through Forza Motorsport 3. For those of you that haven't played Forza yet I'll describe this:

You're in a high powered RWD car, like the Corvette C6 Z06. You're racing on Suzuka, you have no assists on at all. If you slip one of your rear wheels onto the grass while the other 3 are in contact with the track you'll spin out right?

Now from memory I'm pretty certain you will. In GT PSP on "professional" physics (the same provided in GT5) I know that I'll spin out in a high powered RWD car. Especially at Nurburgring in the Corvette ZR1 and even the Nissan GT-R Spec-V. This is what I'd expect in real life too Well in Forza Motorsport 3, when you slip one of those wheels of a Corvette Z06 or any other high powered RWD or MR car onto the grass while the other 3 are on the track, you only lose some speed.

So my question is, in GT5 do you spin out in that situation?

 

[Jay]

In GT5P if you slip a rear tyre on the grass while its loaded you will spin out with a vengeance.

 

[Seismica]

On professional physics you will, even using R3 tyres (the grippiest) in a car like the Corvette.

The same cannot be said for standard physics...

 

[Blitz187]

Grass is a killer in GT5....

 

[Rage0329]

I was pretty confident of that, a lot of people are viewing this topic but not posting their experience, so I'm gonna say they agree. If they didn't agree they'd probably have the urge to post their argument. haha

Thanks for the responses, appreciate it.

 

[TBR 427]

Yeah pretty much. Not just accelerating though, all too often I've come flying into turn 1 at Suzuka in my 599 at full tilt only to come unstuck when one of the rears clips the grass on the way in. Heck, braking into and t2, one wheel goes off you're GONE.

Not just losing a bit of speed and getting some nice angle, but god hath flicked mine automobile of thy racetrack gone.

Some cars tend to handle it a bit better (and by that I mean you have a slim chance of not flying off the track backwards for 3 minutes). The SL55, for example, seems to hold on that little bit better, probably because it weighs more, it's more stable and most of all it isn't cornering at anywhere near the speed the 599 is. Oh, and it's usually set up really soft compared to...everything else ever made. Another car that doesn't instantly die is the F2007, probably because you can clip the grass a fair bit and you're still got a ton of rubber on the road and 5 tons of downforce keeping it there and keeping the car going straight. Admittedly, much more than that and it'll bounce you off the track before you can say Jesus.

 

[tony1311]

No you won't spin out necessarily.

These are two of the situations in which you don't spin out (or don't even lose grip at all).

a) You are on the straight full throtle and riding the grass with two wheels-->

You don't spin out,you don't lose grip and you don't lose any speed.

b) You are @suzuka T1 and trying to find the best lines you open up before the entry to a corner a little too much touching (or even riding) the grass-->

You don't spin out,you don't lose grip and you don't lose any speed. Instead you go faster after all having a wider track to take advantage of.

 

[GTP_CICO]

No you won't spin out necessarily.

These are two of the situations in which you don't spin out (or don't even lose grip at all).

a) You are on the straight full throtle and riding the grass with two wheels-->

You don't spin out,you don't lose grip and you don't lose any speed.

b) You are @suzuka T1 and trying to find the best lines you open up before the entry to a corner a little too much touching (or even riding) the grass-->

You don't spin out,you don't lose grip and you don't lose any speed. Instead you go faster after all having a wider track to take advantage of.

These situations are complety diffrent from what he is talking about. Yours is two wheels on the grass on a straight.
And his is about accelerating with one wheel on the grass with a powerfull RWD or even an AWD car. In wich you would indeed spin off in GT5P.

 

[Imari]

Considering that to get one rear wheel on the grass you'd pretty much have to be drifting or right on the edge of it, yeah, you'll spin a RWD car. With the GTR you might not spin immediately because it's so naturally stable, but you'd probably have a hard time keeping the rest of the wheels on the track with only three gripping tyres.

With all cars it's entirely dependent whether the remaining grip from three tires is sufficient to keep you on the road. In the majority of cases it's not, but aero and other things can make it possible.

 

[Rage0329]

I have to be honest and say the quality of the response here is astounding. Major kudos to you guys. Every response has detail and explanation or a short detailed description of how a car could potentially find itself in this situation.

I think I'll have to try out what you've described TBR 427 with the SL55, I'm curious to see it work. I also know exactly what you mean with the 599 GTB!


Thanks everyone!

 

[Flogger]

Touch the grass in the braking zone for T1 at Daytona Road and see what happens.

 

[finnracer]

GT5p's more realistic, I was at the festival of speed earlier this year and an escort rally car (rwd)got half a wheel on the grass, slid and ended up on its side!!!

 

[Rage0329]

LOL you guys will love this:

This is me telling him that he is a liar because we all know that you'll spin out in GT5 in the situation I described above:
From: Rage028 | #121
So Glitchwerks, your integrity is shot, you're a liar and you should apologise to everyone for claiming that you wouldn't spin out in GT5. I told you that a car with a large amount of HP would spin out if one of the drive wheels hits the grass while the other 3 are in contact with the road surface. Nothing you type can be trusted when you lie about something so simple that can be reproduced so easily. When's the last time you even played GT5?

This is his response of what he apparently did:
I took a Z06 out on Suzuka in GT5P. I drove on straights, I drove on curves. I had TCS on, I did it with TCS off. On a straight, I could put the drive wheel out in the grass and not spin out.

You're falsely accusing me yet again, Rage. You're flaming me and I don't appreciate it. You have yet to prove anything in this thread other than the fact that you make everything up. You're the one who owes me an apology.


I have no idea what game he's playing but it's definitely not GT5 on professional physics. I think he loves Forza just a little bit too much.

 

[Jay]

If he drives on a straight (tyres are fairly neutrally loaded) as he said he probably wont spin out, but how do you get only one rear tyre in the grass if you are driving straight anyway.

As I said in my previous post, load the tyres up and slip a rear Z06 tyre into the grass (on corner exit) and it will spin very easily, a very quick preventive reaction can reduce it a lot though. By the sounds of it he is just steering a tyre into the grass while driving fairly straight, it may make the car step out a little but it wont spin so easy.

 

[Raybrig100]

Im finding it alot easier to spin out the `vette since i bought my DF GT, although i would rather not. No TCS....etc

T1 @ Suzuka seems like the easiest place to do it, i might have managed it with out the help of the grass!!

 

[Exorcet]

You'll only spin if you can't get the car back under control. If you know that you're heading off the track, prepare accordingly. Getting on the grass is not auto spin out.

Oddly enough, I don't recall if Forza's grass was as slippery as GT5P's even though I've been playing Forza lately. I was either not on it, well out of control by the time I hit it, or only just grazing it coming out of a turn. Though Forza's fly paper off track sections are pretty stupid, cheating or not.

 

[Tomaz]

Even on standard physics you spin out if you slip one wheel onto the grass.

 

[SgtWhitten]

I was racing the Nissan GTR on Fuji and when I clipped the grass on 100R it threw me of the track and sent me spinning relentlessly.

 

[JackC8]

Yeah, one of the first skills i learned in the GT games is to get off the throttle if you think a wheel or two are going to slide off the track

Kind of cool - I was driving tuned Suzuki Swift around Eiger the other day. Approaching the start/finish line, I noticed the engine was sort of gunning itself. I thought that was odd. Watching the replay, I noticed it was because going around the corner under heavy acceleration, the right rear tire was getting light and spinning, then catching traction, then spinning again. Pretty good attention to detail there!