Sportsmanship...

[Ashthebash]

First post, and a reason to rant!

I've loved all the GT games but if you're going to introduce a sportsmanship rating you need to get it right.


I like to try and race clean, sometimes I'll get it wrong but I tend not to have big collisions.

Today, online Suzuka mini circuit I start midfield. Have a little bit of bumping in the first couple of corners but nothing big, nobody off track and no pens. Then a guy rams into the back of someone near me, sending them off the track. Following lap, in the esses, the same guy punts me off the track and I get a 10 second penalty as well as drop about 4 places as I recover. I have a clean race there onwards, pass a few cars and catch him up but not enough to pass. End of race? The guy who did all the damage has no penalty and goes blue on his "C", I still have 7 seconds of my penalty added, I go red on my "C"

I can only think it blamed me for the collision but if it's blaming me for someone torpedoing me and giving me such a big penalty how can I get my sportsmanship and subsequently driver rating up?! And even if it did blame me for that collision, what about the other guy he smashed off the track?!

It doesn't seem like it's doing it's job of punishing the perpetrator. It needs looking at or just throwing out

 

[doubleg213]

Just had exactly the same thing, 10 second penalty and an SR decrease because someone didn't bother slowing down at all for the 1st corner at Suzuka.

Love the idea behind having the rating, the implementation is absolutely dreadful though.

Much like the closed beta I'm stuck in a limbo, driver rating D, generally qualifying at or near the front, get rammed all over the place and drop positions while getting my SR rating decreased and as such can't move up a driver rating.

If you try and just not bother qualifying and pootle around at the back your SR barely seems to increase race on race despite always getting blue markings, qualify at the front and get whacked a couple of times from behind and you seem to instantly get demoted.

What they are trying to implement has potential, but it needs some alternative calculation and some kind of algorithm to try and make it fairer.

You'll never have something like this which is 100% accurate all of the time, but it definitely is miles away from the right as it stands.

An orange SR in the race seems to massively outweigh all green SR as well, raced clean for 4 or 5 races and constant blue afterwards with no increase in SR. One race where I got whacked twice from behind and I'm dropped down to C.

 

[faisaldxb]

That Suzuka event is hopeless.. it's like bumper cars. Someone bumped my car from the back and sent me to the wall. I got downgraded from SR A to B. The driver that crashed into me had his SR improved (blue). I have been sent off track multiple times on that event by people crashing into me. It wasn't this bad in the demo Daily Races.

 

[Famine]

I can only think it blamed me for the collision

Every car in a collision gets the same penalty.

If the guy who hit you got a boost to his SR afterwards, it's because he got every other sector in the rest of the race clean - he was only penalised for the sector in which the collision occurred. If he has no penalty showing, it's because he backed off for long enough (throughout the race) to wipe it out; when it says "SLOW DOWN" when you have a penalty, if you slow down for that amount of time (across the entire rest of the race), the penalty goes away. Even coasting into some corners will do it.

 

[MR_COMMANDER]

Exactly, a flawless penalty system doesn't exist but in my opinion GTS has a very good system. 80% of my races I don't get involved in contact and I suspect this will be even better when you reach higher levels. Don't focus on 1 race or even 1 crash

 

[Adrenaline]

Also keep in mind that it's release week. Drivers will filter off over the first month, ratings will start getting more accurate, and your match making experience will begin to balance out.

 

[JulesDennis]

Every car in a collision gets the same penalty.

If the guy who hit you got a boost to his SR afterwards, it's because he got every other sector in the rest of the race clean - he was only penalised for the sector in which the collision occurred. If he has no penalty showing, it's because he backed off for long enough (throughout the race) to wipe it out; when it says "SLOW DOWN" when you have a penalty, if you slow down for that amount of time (across the entire rest of the race), the penalty goes away. Even coasting into some corners will do it.

Thats a good example that the system is not working as it should.
Why people should get a penalty when others are using them as brakes?

 

[Famine]

Thats a good example that the system is not working as it should.
Why people should get a penalty when others are using them as brakes?

The philosophy of it doesn't matter. That is how it works.

 

[JulesDennis]

The philosophy of it doesn't matter. That is how it works.

But it does.Whats the point of the rating system?
The rating system is there so that can give penalties (- points) for dirty driving and award clean driving.
It is called SR for a reason.
The way it works in the game cannot justify that fact that it does not do well what it is supposed to do in the first place.

 

[MacBaby]

Why people should get a penalty when others are using them as brakes?

One explanation, as it is mentioned in the GTS-videos about sportsmanship is, that an experienced driver would be able to spot if someone around him poses a threat, and therefore a good driver would be able to remove himself, from a possibly dangerous situation.

Although this is practically impossible in these destruction-derby-like short races we have available right now. Hopefully it will get better in the future.

 

[JulesDennis]

One explanation, as it is mentioned in the GTS-videos about sportsmanship is, that an experienced driver would be able to spot if someone around them poses a threat, and therefore a good driver would be able to remove himself, from a possibly dangerous situation.

Although this is practically impossible in these destruction-derby-like short races we have available right now. Hopefully it will get better in the future.

Thats not true.
When you play online with 15 people you dont know,there is no way to know in 1st corner who is a threat behind-in frond you and who is not.
Also its impossible for a good driver to remove himself from every possibly dangerous situation..Accidents can happen.Mistakes are made from people that have a lot of experience and are super clean.Same in RL too.
The only way for you to know if I am a clean driver or not is actually that rating system (or you actually know the people you are racing with).
Like I said,the rating system is either working well or its not.

 

[noisiVehT]

I'm keeping away from online, untill trash drivers get their bad ratings, and I can start with at least bit of them filtered away

 

[MacBaby]

True or not, I just answered your question, giving you GTS' own explanation I'm not in favor of the SR-system as it is right now either, but I'm sure it will be changed in the future, base on the players reactions. PD is also overlooking these forums, I can guarantee you.

 

[JulesDennis]

True or not, I just answered your question, giving you GTS' own explanation I'm not in favor of the SR-system as it is right now either, but I'm sure it will be changed in the future, base on the players reactions. PD is also overlooking these forums, I can guarantee you.

I hope they will improve the SR system too.But I am not as confident as you are.

 

[ynot]

First post, and a reason to rant!

I've loved all the GT games but if you're going to introduce a sportsmanship rating you need to get it right.


I like to try and race clean, sometimes I'll get it wrong but I tend not to have big collisions.

Today, online Suzuka mini circuit I start midfield. Have a little bit of bumping in the first couple of corners but nothing big, nobody off track and no pens. Then a guy rams into the back of someone near me, sending them off the track. Following lap, in the esses, the same guy punts me off the track and I get a 10 second penalty as well as drop about 4 places as I recover. I have a clean race there onwards, pass a few cars and catch him up but not enough to pass. End of race? The guy who did all the damage has no penalty and goes blue on his "C", I still have 7 seconds of my penalty added, I go red on my "C"

I can only think it blamed me for the collision but if it's blaming me for someone torpedoing me and giving me such a big penalty how can I get my sportsmanship and subsequently driver rating up?! And even if it did blame me for that collision, what about the other guy he smashed off the track?!

It doesn't seem like it's doing it's job of punishing the perpetrator. It needs looking at or just throwing out

Same BS happened to me. Sport Mode seems to just be the Quick Matches from GT6 with a rating system. Only time I did Quick Matches on GT6 was to get some quick credits. The racing was seldom any good. I have no real intention to do the Sport Mode races so I guess I'll be and E and a B for a long time. I think the rating system should apply for all modes and Lobbies and not just Sport Mode.

 

[MW_Turned]

I think the rating system should apply for all modes and Lobbies and not just Sport Mode.

I second that. Why should a rating occur only in in the few, boring races that we are given in Sport mode? If i am a fair driver in all my online races, why don't get rewarded for it?
Also i think that penalties for shoving another car off the track are way too mild. In real life, the driver would get drive through or even disqualification.
Whenever someone pushed me off the track, he drove along happily without any noticable penalty.
Also it seems that at the end of the race anybody with a penalty shown doesn't lose his position. Or is that already calculated in the final times?

 

[ynot]

I second that. Why should a rating occur only in in the few, boring races that we are given in Sport mode? If i am a fair driver in all my online races, why don't get rewarded for it?
Also i think that penalties for shoving another car off the track are way too mild. In real life, the driver would get drive through or even disqualification.
Whenever someone pushed me off the track, he drove along happily without any noticable penalty.
Also it seems that at the end of the race anybody with a penalty shown doesn't lose his position. Or is that already calculated in the final times?

It is calculated in the final position. I know when you get a penalty you can slow down and work it off or stay racing and take the penalty at the end.

 

[NJ72]

Also it seems that at the end of the race anybody with a penalty shown doesn't lose his position. Or is that already calculated in the final times?

It does make a difference. I raced the Brands Indy race in the Civic and some guy physically finished in 3rd place with 23 seconds of penalties (!). He subsequently dropped down to 14th or something like that. My personal opinion is that if you cross the line with a penalty of more than 3 or 4 seconds then you should be DQ. That'll stop people from just accruing them up.

I also agree that the system is flawed. I was side swiped off track and lost 3 places. 3 second penalty and a dip in the SR for it.

It's not perfect, and I am very much hoping that the people who can't race/ don't care have their ratings blatted and it sorts itself out over time... Here's hoping.

 

[RC45]

Every car in a collision gets the same penalty.

If the guy who hit you got a boost to his SR afterwards, it's because he got every other sector in the rest of the race clean - he was only penalised for the sector in which the collision occurred. If he has no penalty showing, it's because he backed off for long enough (throughout the race) to wipe it out; when it says "SLOW DOWN" when you have a penalty, if you slow down for that amount of time (across the entire rest of the race), the penalty goes away. Even coasting into some corners will do it.

No, that is an exploit people are using. I have been observing now. It appears what many folks are doing is gaming the system with its own rating system.

Smash into the unsuspecting that are trying to drive clean, send them spinning and off into the weeds - let them be dumb and "hold back like the stupid video suggests" - then they run ahead and now "work off their penalty" only to punt the other cars again, and then win - collection the win and the clean penalty free run.

The system is easily exploited.

 

[Shottah072]

To have regular good racing u need to have the pace to hang with the good guys who know what they are doing. If u dont have the pace to compete with the good guys u are gonna be stuck racing the bad guys untill you do. Wich most of the time wont be clean because they just dont got the skills, know-how or care to race clean.

 

[Famine]

No, that is an exploit people are using.

It's odd that you start that post with "no", when you're actually agreeing with me entirely that this is how it works.

 

[RC45]

It's odd that you start that post with "no", when you're actually agreeing with me entirely that this is how it works.

No, I am not agreeing that it is a functional system, I am stating people are exploiting the pathetic concept. This is no different to a wall riding glitch or similar.

It is being exploited for unfair and unsportsmanlike gains - quite the ironic since the entire system is supposed to promote good sportsmanship.

 

[madbrushracing]

This system is used in a small PC game called I-racing. It that the advice given is to stay at the back out of trouble to increase your SR to get out of the demolition derbys.
I wondered if they was going to implement another feature they have by limiting the cars you can drive. the higher the SR the better the car you can use

 

[Shottah072]

No, I am not agreeing that it is a functional system, I am stating people are exploiting the pathetic concept. This is no different to a wall riding glitch or similar.

It is being exploited for unfair and unsportsmanlike gains - quite the ironic since the entire system is supposed to promote good sportsmanship.

I doubt they will make any big gains in the long run applying those tactics.

 

[Chrisj101]

First post, and a reason to rant!

I've loved all the GT games but if you're going to introduce a sportsmanship rating you need to get it right.


I like to try and race clean, sometimes I'll get it wrong but I tend not to have big collisions.

Today, online Suzuka mini circuit I start midfield. Have a little bit of bumping in the first couple of corners but nothing big, nobody off track and no pens. Then a guy rams into the back of someone near me, sending them off the track. Following lap, in the esses, the same guy punts me off the track and I get a 10 second penalty as well as drop about 4 places as I recover. I have a clean race there onwards, pass a few cars and catch him up but not enough to pass. End of race? The guy who did all the damage has no penalty and goes blue on his "C", I still have 7 seconds of my penalty added, I go red on my "C"

I can only think it blamed me for the collision but if it's blaming me for someone torpedoing me and giving me such a big penalty how can I get my sportsmanship and subsequently driver rating up?! And even if it did blame me for that collision, what about the other guy he smashed off the track?!

It doesn't seem like it's doing it's job of punishing the perpetrator. It needs looking at or just throwing out

I feel the same. I also want to race clean and enjoy good racing sports but it's impossible when your rank gets dropped because other players are that impatient they have to over take you and barge you of the track then I get penalised for it. I'm finding it hard to enjoy this game when people like that ruin it for people like me

 

[RC45]

I doubt they will make any big gains in the long run applying those tactics.

They are already - their SR is up at the expense of the other clean racers.

 

[Shottah072]

I doubt it. It's probably up because they can keep their car on the track and avoid contact most of the time. U cant judge them off 1 accident.

 

[Chrisj101]

So I brake in the spot I'm suppose to at the corner then get smashed up the ass putting me off the track and from 4th to 18th with a 10 second penalty and a SR rank drop. Whilst the dick that done it sales away in third all ranked up no penalty etc. If that's a working system then I won't be doing the sports part of this game much longer

 

[Famine]

No, I am not agreeing that it is a functional system

I didn't say it was. I said that this is how it works - whether you like it or not. So you're vehemently agreeing with me, but starting every post off in response to me with "No".

The people gaming/exploiting it have worked out how it works. It works by giving all drivers involved in any collision the same penalty, both by dropping/not raising SR for the sector in which the collision occurred and a time penalty. If you back off for the allotted time across the entire rest of the race, and drive clean in every other sector, you won't end up with a loss of SR.

Whilst the dick that done sales away in third all ranked up no penalty etc.

He got the same penalty you did. He just backed off for the rest of the race to eliminate/serve the time penalty, and drove clean in every other sector. If you'd done the same, you wouldn't have a penalty at the end of the race, or an SR drop.

 

[Chrisj101]

I didn't say it was. I said that this is how it works - whether you like it or not. So you're vehemently agreeing with me, but starting every post off in response to me with "No".

The people gaming/exploiting it have worked out how it works. It works by giving all drivers involved in any collision the same penalty, both by dropping/not raising SR for the sector in which the collision occurred and a time penalty. If you back off for the allotted time across the entire rest of the race, and drive clean in every other sector, you won't end up with a loss of SR.

He got the same penalty you did. He just backed off for the rest of the race to eliminate/serve the time penalty, and drove clean in every other sector. If you'd done the same, you wouldn't have a penalty at the end of the race, or an SR drop.

I didn't have a penalty at the end of the race. Why should I get a penalty for something that was not my fault and better yet if he did get penalised it should have been more than 10 seconds. If that happened in the real life f1 I'm pretty sure the dude would be band from the tracks for life