Star Player system discussion

[zzz_pt]

Today I created a secondary account to test some stuff on Sport Mode (I won't enter FIA with this account as I regard that as dirty tactics) like tire wear, different cars, etc.

It can also work as an account to chill and start from the back of the grid without a Q lap once in a while.

So, I go into my first races around Fuji GT and, lo and behold, in my 5th race I bump into 2 S star players... The guy who started behind me, in 2nd, tried to get the win on the last corner of the race by pushing me off track. Luckily he got a 2sec penalty and I got the win...

I knew the system was a joke but after this, I can't give it any credit.

(I was on pole)


IMO, a Star Players should be DR A+ and SR S only. You think you'll have a decent race when you see a Star player in your lobby and end up being pushed off track. No wonder these guys are playing against people who just started playing Sport Mode.

If PD doesn't care if players are S/S for live events, why would we care about it? At least make it something valuable and a way to reflect accurately the skill level of the people who get it.

 

[mthomas_95]

Agreed, it's basically a meme at this point. Personally it should be given out only to those who have participated at a Live Event (Regional/World Finals or World Tour) and maybe the top 20 overall in a given Exhibition Season. That way you still get anywhere between 60-100 in Europe with S rank, but you can be sort of guaranteed all of them are genuinely great drivers and a pool big enough for any Top 24 event (the only reason as it turns out to have S)

As things stand if they were wanting to do special Top 24 broadcasted races throughout Off Season to keep interest up a lot of the best drivers won't have S rank because they measure their effort to peak for the Official Seasons. A lot of the top tier guys didn't do many Test Seasons, and have fewer than 200 Sport Mode races under their belt.

The Test Seasons were useful for me in being a relative newcomer to competitive online racing, but now it really is a case of being very selective in what races I do. I know a lot of guys who got burned out at the business end of the Championship, myself almost included. It's one of those amusing myths about 'aliens' playing all the time, if anything the top guys play even less than average

 

[inri]

I haven't raced online in a while but I've seen a few star players with around DR B pace .. plenty of fast ones too though. I thought about getting myself an S rank too but I'll stay A+

 

[Krypton78]

The "S" says only the player participated frequently at the FIA races.

To take EMEA as example, its a small indiciation for having a good pace only when the player is also from one of the 3 or 4 larger countrys.

So I totally agree, that its a complete joke in comparsion what "S" was earlier for.

I guess they inplemented it as a motivation for the mass to participate at the final seasons.

If they really want to point out extraordinary players, they would raise the cap to 90k and give an S to 75k...85k and an S+ to the very top 85k...90k.

If you say now, that than the purpose beeing showed as a FIA races participiant is not there. No, it would be there because of the ELO system. Because that much DR would be only possible with participating at FIA races where the grid is much more even.

 

[Sander 001]

Today I created a secondary account to test some stuff on Sport Mode (I won't enter FIA with this account as I regard that as dirty tactics) like tire wear, different cars, etc.

It can also work as an account to chill and start from the back of the grid without a Q lap once in a while.

So, I go into my first races around Fuji GT and, lo and behold, in my 5th race I bump into 2 S star players... The guy who started behind me, in 2nd, tried to get the win on the last corner of the race by pushing me off track. Luckily he got a 2sec penalty and I got the win...

I knew the system was a joke but after this, I can't give it any credit.

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(I was on pole)


IMO, a Star Players should be DR A+ and SR S only. You think you'll have a decent race when you see a Star player in your lobby and end up being pushed off track. No wonder these guys are playing against people who just started playing Sport Mode.

If PD doesn't care if players are S/S for live events, why would we care about it? At least make it something valuable and a way to reflect accurately the skill level of the people who get it.

Push you off track! I’ve seen A+ S players ram people at 260kmh. Intentionally.

 

[PirovacBoy]

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Today I created a secondary account to test some stuff on Sport Mode (I won't enter FIA with this account as I regard that as dirty tactics) like tire wear, different cars, etc.

It can also work as an account to chill and start from the back of the grid without a Q lap once in a while.

So, I go into my first races around Fuji GT and, lo and behold, in my 5th race I bump into 2 S star players... The guy who started behind me, in 2nd, tried to get the win on the last corner of the race by pushing me off track. Luckily he got a 2sec penalty and I got the win...

I knew the system was a joke but after this, I can't give it any credit.

View attachment 771118

(I was on pole)


IMO, a Star Players should be DR A+ and SR S only. You think you'll have a decent race when you see a Star player in your lobby and end up being pushed off track. No wonder these guys are playing against people who just started playing Sport Mode.

If PD doesn't care if players are S/S for live events, why would we care about it? At least make it something valuable and a way to reflect accurately the skill level of the people who get it.

Even before Dr.S was removed and swapped with Dr.A+ there were laughable many dirty Dr.S drivers that it was a farce.
It even made me stop playing Sport Mode for almost half a year.
The actual Dr.S Status only means what is written down and that is you have to be top 200 in your region, top 20 in your Country or top 10 for your Manufacturer if I remember correct.
It doesn’t and didn’t ever meant that the one carrying it is an honorable or ultra fast or whatever Uber driver. The previous Dr.S was a very large scale from 50k to 75 k, but the time gap within this Dr Rank could easily be up to 2 Seconds on an average.
For me personally, it’s an honor to have been able to match the criteria to be an Dr.S driver. Especially over the last 2 Seasons where the heavy damage feature was finally introduced. This is what i was looking for.
I‘m absolutely convinced that in long term it will educate the barge passers and elitist bump passers that we all have to respect each other, no matter what Letter stands behind the Name.
Well one may dream, right

 

[mclarenLB]

Just bring old S Rank back, better still raise the DR cap to 100k and make S Rank 75k - 100k DR

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I still remember when we switched from S to A+ I was so irritated because A+ looks bad compared to S, so I decided I'd do everything I can to get S back

And then it turned into a joke. Thanks PD 👍

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I still remember when we switched from S to A+ I was so irritated because A+ looks bad compared to S, so I decided I'd do everything I can to get S back

And then it turned into a joke. Thanks PD 👍

Haha, actually S looks bad now, it simply masks the player's true abilities. SR.S means jack all for clean racing either. There should be an SR A+ for those that consistently race contact free.

DR is a joke anyway. Just lost 1615 DR again from a disconnect mid race, while winning barely gets me 200 points...

I stand corrected, I got a whopping 228 points back for winning the next one! That's over TWO HUNDRED /maniacal laughter

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Haha, actually S looks bad now, it simply masks the player's true abilities. SR.S means jack all for clean racing either. There should be an SR A+ for those that consistently race contact free.

DR is a joke anyway. Just lost 1615 DR again from a disconnect mid race, while winning barely gets me 200 points...

I stand corrected, I got a whopping 228 points back for winning the next one! That's over TWO HUNDRED /maniacal laughter

I mean, at least with DR it still somewhat, barely, somehow represents how good you are. If not at least your DR history will. But DR S all you gotta do is pair up with Alfa Romeo or make an account in India and do one race. You can have 1 DR and still get DR S because of this

 

[ARTAsean]

Haha, actually S looks bad now, it simply masks the player's true abilities. SR.S means jack all for clean racing either. There should be an SR A+ for those that consistently race contact free.

DR is a joke anyway. Just lost 1615 DR again from a disconnect mid race, while winning barely gets me 200 points...

I stand corrected, I got a whopping 228 points back for winning the next one! That's over TWO HUNDRED /maniacal laughter

Interesting to read this because just earlier today I was thinking that PD could do away with the DR reward being scaled by DR rank. And instead, maybe just be a fixed value. +250 for winning, +0 for last, and increments inbetween.

My biggest gripe (DR reset) can even remain under this new system. I would enjoy Sport Mode so much more if I didn't have to worry about losing 1,000+ DR in one dang race. This way, as long as you finish the race, your DR is increasing. Everyone is happy. (except last place ofc)

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Interesting to read this because just earlier today I was thinking that PD could do away with the DR reward being scaled by DR rank. And instead, maybe just be a fixed value. +250 for winning, +0 for last, and increments inbetween.

My biggest gripe (DR reset) can even remain under this new system. I would enjoy Sport Mode so much more if I didn't have to worry about losing 1,000+ DR in one dang race. This way, as long as you finish the race, your DR is increasing. Everyone is happy. (except last place ofc)

It's a ranking system though, not a grinding points system (Although it does feel like that sometimes)

It could use some fail saves so higher ranked DR players are not afraid to enter races. IMO the system is reversed from how it should work. Losing more points to a lower ranked player makes sense in a perfect world. However we are dealing with dirty driving, random disconnects, DR resets, alt accounts all messing with the ranking system.

A DR.B player should not take 160 points from a DR A+ player when the A+ gets disconnected or punted off the track. Instead reverse the algorithm. The further apart two players are, the less they can effect each other's score. A close match should result in the highest point exchange between the closely matched players. Actually it's not reversing the algorithm, just mirror it. A DR.A+ should still not get any points for beating a DR.D, a DR.D should also not get any points for finishing ahead of an A+, as that simply means something is very wrong with the ranking.

Make it 80 points for placing ahead, minus abs(DR difference) / 500. The bigger the difference in ranking the less influence you have on each other. Higher ranked players shouldn't get screwed by incompetent match making. That's what keeps them away from sport mode.

 

[kemmac]

Lets be frank...The rating system and players who think they are Dale Earnhardt is a joke and farce.

 

[rono_thomas]

Interesting to read this because just earlier today I was thinking that PD could do away with the DR reward being scaled by DR rank. And instead, maybe just be a fixed value. +250 for winning, +0 for last, and increments inbetween.

My biggest gripe (DR reset) can even remain under this new system. I would enjoy Sport Mode so much more if I didn't have to worry about losing 1,000+ DR in one dang race. This way, as long as you finish the race, your DR is increasing. Everyone is happy. (except last place ofc)

DR is not supposed to always increase. If it did then it would be a useless rating.

 

[zzz_pt]

Interesting to read this because just earlier today I was thinking that PD could do away with the DR reward being scaled by DR rank. And instead, maybe just be a fixed value. +250 for winning, +0 for last, and increments inbetween.

My biggest gripe (DR reset) can even remain under this new system. I would enjoy Sport Mode so much more if I didn't have to worry about losing 1,000+ DR in one dang race. This way, as long as you finish the race, your DR is increasing. Everyone is happy. (except last place ofc)

If DR worked as you say, it would be a rank for who has more time to play the game and not a skill rank.

 

[Tidgney]

I think when it was discussed in the FIA discussion the best solution was to have some kind of Logo/icon around the DR rating rather than change the DR to S. Like a star or something like that so C with a * and rather than A+ put it back to S and just have S*.

 

[Venster]

I think when it was discussed in the FIA discussion the best solution was to have some kind of Logo/icon around the DR rating rather than change the DR to S. Like a star or something like that so C with a * and rather than A+ put it back to S and just have S*.

Exactly this, still gives the recognition but I miss being able to quick glance in a lobby to see what I’m up against.

 

[ststav01]

So now basically anyone can get S if the player has entered frequently in FIA races ? I thought only guys who participated in Top 24 race can be marked as S but it seems that I'm wrong?

 

[Venster]

So now basically anyone can get S if the player has entered frequently in FIA races ? I thought only guys who participated in Top 24 race can be marked as S but it seems that I'm wrong?

No nothing to do with the amount you enter, still need to finish top 10 for your country or manufacturer or top 200 in region.

 

[rono_thomas]

So now basically anyone can get S if the player has entered frequently in FIA races ?

Its more likely because the player pool is weakened due to it being an exhibition series.

 

[Pfei]

I think when it was discussed in the FIA discussion the best solution was to have some kind of Logo/icon around the DR rating rather than change the DR to S. Like a star or something like that so C with a * and rather than A+ put it back to S and just have S*.

That was my idea back in the day. Forget about letters, leave everyone's true DR visible. Red wreath around the letter for Manufacturer Star, blue wreath around Nations Star, gold wreath around stars in both series.

 

[ARTAsean]

If DR worked as you say, it would be a rank for who has more time to play the game and not a skill rank.

I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure how much time you spend playing the game directly correlates to how much skill you have.

DR is not supposed to always increase. If it did then it would be a useless rating.

Keep in mind it's on a scale of 75,000. You're not going anywhere fast with +25 DR at a time. Also, as I mentioned, the DR Reset system would remain, so people can still potentially lose all of their DR.

For something that you guys bitch about constantly 24/7, you sure are close minded to any derivatives!

 

[rono_thomas]

Keep in mind it's on a scale of 75,000. You're not going anywhere fast with +25 DR at a time. Also, as I mentioned, the DR Reset system would remain, so people can still potentially lose all of their DR.

DR reset is not quite what it seems, your not able to have a DR rank without corresponding SR ranks, now because there are many who fluctuate their SR, this leads to these so called “DR” resets.

For clarity a drop in DR is the net result in poor SR performance. Not a change in pace, DR of players who have experienced “resets” need to then be viewed as that of a new players DR, it will naturally rise until they reach their DR level again

You rightly say your not going anywhere fast with a +25 DR which really means why bother? And they really shouldn’t, there supposed to be players with net loss after races, there are supposed to be those who break even(ish), there are supposed to be those with a net gain. There will be players with a vast difference in DR from very low to 75,000. Thats the DR system working as it should.

For something that you guys bitch about constantly 24/7, you sure are close minded to any derivatives!

Really where?

I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure how much time you spend playing the game directly correlates to how much skill you have.

No not at all. You cant really believe this? Ive seen many a driver who totally eclipse my playtime stats many times over, and not match me.

 

[mthomas_95]

I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure how much time you spend playing the game directly correlates to how much skill you have.

In that case @Sven Jurgens must be guaranteed victory at next month's World Finals then, might as well give him the trophy now!

 

[zzz_pt]

I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure how much time you spend playing the game directly correlates to how much skill you have.

Lots of aliens come to any given race and after 30min max, have a top10 lap time. Lots of people spend hours playing and practicing and can't even reach A/S statu, let alone put in a lap withing 2 or 3 seconds of the top10.