Steering Issues

[AngloAmerican]

Hey Guys

After posting a very unhappy post in the SU2 Rant thread last night, i decided to give the game another go today. I only bought the game yesterday, and i can honestly say i was pretty damn mad after my experience with it initially, hence me posting on here about it. Well after spending $60 for the game, and nearly $20 extra for both the DLC's available, i felt i had a right.

Anyway after reading some posts on here i thought maybe it was just me comparing it too much to GT5 or something. So i figured id spend some time on it today, and see what comes of it.

Ok first off i was wrong in my rant post regards the graphics. They dont suck at all like i stated last night, and as of now im ok with how the game looks. Im pretty damn pleased with how it sounds as well. The sound in this game is awesome i think, and with that i will bring you onto my driving issues.

There is just something funky about the steering. Some kind of lag or something, and its pretty much impossible for me to keep the cars in a straight line. Ive tried adjusting the settings for the DFGT wheel (which im using) from within the game, and they dont seem to help out at all.

Is there anything i can do, or does anyone have any ideas as to how i can solve this? Because as of now, im thinking it's pointless me wasting my valuable gaming time (which isnt much due to work and family commitments) playing this, if i cannot enjoy it due to the lag, or whatever the heck it is.

I do see the potential in this game now, yet it's just very fustrating that i cannot seem to make the game playable, so that i can enjoy it, by solving this major steering issue that im having.

If anyone can help by suggesting something for me to do or try, it would be most appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Edit: I guess i should add that this is the PS3 version.

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[pgagoober]

LOL. You should do a search in this forum on input lag. Then put aside a LONG time to read all about it. In short we are hoping that patch 1.03 for PS3 will appear sometime soon and we then hope it will help reduce the lag. Patch 1.02 reduced it somewhat but it is still a big problem.

 

[AngloAmerican]

LOL. You should do a search in this forum on input lag. Then put aside a LONG time to read all about it. In short we are hoping that patch 1.03 for PS3 will appear sometime soon and we then hope it will help reduce the lag. Patch 1.02 reduced it somewhat but it is still a big problem.

Oh jeezz!!!

I never realised that this is an issue others are having as well.

So there is nothing i can do until the new patch comes out?

Ive tried changed the deadzone and whatnots, but nothing seems to help.

Dang, its always something with me................

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[fatkrakr]

Renown Tuning Unleashed post has some good tips that may help also some car setups.

 

[bmwisme]

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So there is nothing i can do until the new patch comes out?
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Yes, change to Novice handling mode so you can turn ON "Steering Assist", turn OFF "Brake Assist", and turn the other settings ON/OFF to your liking. Steering Assist will stabilize the steering but you won't notice the "assist" at speed.
I use from time to time mostly on some hard to turn cars and tracks I am not familiar with.
Once the next patch is released we hopefully won't need this "Steering Rack Adjustment" feature - this sounds better than "assist".

Edit: I think you said you where using a DFGT wheel. Each may have their own preference but I like:
Steering Deadzone: 1
Steering Sensitivity: 80-100
Speed Sensitivity: 0-20
Steering Lock: 360 - 540

Without "Steering Rack Adjustment" you will need a larger Steering Lock to help with straight-line stability.

 

[UVeryVeryBadMan]

Hi all.

for me to improve and establish a comfortable steering setup took about 8 hours in total, i know that sounds like a long time, but believe me it was well worth all the effort.

So achieving workaround for most steering issues is possible.
And yes i would recommend turning off all assists, particularly if you want to perform on the track, that is improving your track times.

regards UVVBM

 

[arvore]

Im pretty damn pleased with how it sounds as well. The sound in this game is awesome i think, and with that i will bring you onto my driving issues.

And You, probably didn't even reached GT3 and GT1 Series...now there is the greatest sound of the game-those babies really ROAR!

There is just something funky about the steering. Some kind of lag or something, and its pretty much impossible for me to keep the cars in a straight line. Ive tried adjusting the settings for the DFGT wheel (which im using) from within the game, and they dont seem to help out at all.

Is there anything i can do, or does anyone have any ideas as to how i can solve this? Because as of now, im thinking it's pointless me wasting my valuable gaming time (which isnt much due to work and family commitments) playing this, if i cannot enjoy it due to the lag, or whatever the heck it is.

Unfortunately You'll have to get used to it,and believe me You will, but there are adjustments You can do to improve that shaky feeling.
Mind You I'm on a DS3 and everyone has a driving style, and setups are very specific for each driver-I prefer stiff suspension, some like it more soft,etc.
You could start to bring the Sensitivity setups to minimum values-0; 5- than in each car You have to reduce the steering lock values-mines go from 8 to 12 depending on the car.
Default suspension settings are too soft, stiffen them.
Tyre pressure are usually to high reduce them-close to 40's values(I usually go for 39 front 42 back).
While You try to find the most suitable settings for You, You'll have some more hours into the game and will start to feel more comfortable with it's handling.
Either way many didn't have the patience to do it, or didn't liked the game enough to keep at it, I guess most of us here are the example that one can find it enjoyable and fun, I hope You'll join us!


P.S. : I wouldn't recommend using any driving assist-especially active steering- they only dumb down the experience and make Your adaptation to the game slower.

 

[AngloAmerican]

Yes, change to Novice handling mode so you can turn ON "Steering Assist", turn OFF "Brake Assist", and turn the other settings ON/OFF to your liking. Steering Assist will stabilize the steering but you won't notice the "assist" at speed.
I use from time to time mostly on some hard to turn cars and tracks I am not familiar with.
Once the next patch is released we hopefully won't need this "Steering Rack Adjustment" feature - this sounds better than "assist".

Edit: I think you said you where using a DFGT wheel. Each may have their own preference but I like:
Steering Deadzone: 1
Steering Sensitivity: 80-100
Speed Sensitivity: 0-20
Steering Lock: 360 - 540

Without "Steering Rack Adjustment" you will need a larger Steering Lock to help with straight-line stability.

Thanks Bmwisme

I gotta go play good hubby and go out with the wife this morning, but when im back i will try what you suggested.

I always prefer to play with no assists, (even when new to a game like i am) but if this can help until the patch comes out, then i will just have to swallow some pride and use the steering assist.

Thanks again.

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[bmwisme]

Yes, some refuse to use the Steering Rack Adjustment feature but until you get a feel for the game it is an "option" and a viable option (in my opinion) until the patch comes out (hopefully good things). I truly believe many new S2U racers would not be so unhappy if they started with some asists. But, don't even think about the "Brake Asists" - this one is so brain-dead it isn't funny (in my opinion).
I have run with and without Steering Rack Adjustment and while I can get a "smidgen" faster times without it, it takes a lot of practice. In the long run you will most likely want many assists off.

EDIT: I think I will run a series of tests with/without the Steering Rack Adjustment (all other variables the same) to see how much slower/faster I can be - very curious...

 

[arvore]

Obviously steering assist is a viable option, sure it is built in the game...but if one is striving for realism in a racing "sim".

On the other end, in my opinion()...it is for wimps!
But hey, there are people driving bicycles with these:

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...but to each one is one, I guess.



@ bmwisme, I hope You understand this is only a joke, I couldn't care less about the assists others use, specially if they're not playing online with me,anything goes for one to enjoy the game as they wish IMO 👍

 

[Vaxxtx]

Tuning.

Seriously, it might take a while to get tuning each car down, but I have tuned the swaying out all my cars sans the MkIFord gt. The "stock" tunes are on most cars are bad bad bad.

Setting your steering rotation from 360-900 and then the steering lock of each car is all personal preference. I would suggest

Steering Sensitivity - 50
Steering Rotation - 450
Speed Sens. - 0

And tune some cars with steering lock of about 22-25, and see how that feels.

Alternativly

Steering Sene. - 50
Steering Rotation - 720
Speed Sens. - 0

And tune cars to 31-53 steering lock. The BAD part of this one is cars that you cannot tune "Hot laps" etc. are not easy to turn and you have to go change your rotation to complete them.

But mess around with any of those settings and see which one feels best.

Also...you MIGHT want to turn Speed Sensitivity up a bit to 30-35% and see if that helps any as well.

It takes some time to get this game "setup" but once you so it awesome!

 

[tribolik]

If you play with a DFGT I would suggest the Elite mode and ...

Tuning.

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Steering Sensitivity - 50
Steering Rotation - 450
Speed Sens. - 0

You can leave the other options on default... try this and let us know what you think...

 

[bmwisme]

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@ bmwisme, I hope You understand this is only a joke, I couldn't care less about the assists others use, specially if they're not playing online with me,anything goes for one to enjoy the game as they wish IMO 👍

You didn't need the disclaimer

I am sure the first thing many do when they pick up S2U is select Expert/Hard - followed by a WTF! then an eBay auction. Need to walk before you can run... There is a great game hiding in there!

 

[iLex]

It is a very good idea to stop comparing S2U with GT5, especially concerning the handling of the cars and the feedback you get from your wheel. The moment you stop comparing you will find that S2U is a great game that has a lot to offer that you haven't experienced in that game you are not comparing S2U to.

Keep GT5 on the side for that drive-around-the-ring-with-an-M3-feeling though.

I am now a happy fan of the uniqueness of both games.

 

[AngloAmerican]

Tuning.

Seriously, it might take a while to get tuning each car down, but I have tuned the swaying out all my cars sans the MkIFord gt. The "stock" tunes are on most cars are bad bad bad.

Setting your steering rotation from 360-900 and then the steering lock of each car is all personal preference. I would suggest

Steering Sensitivity - 50
Steering Rotation - 450
Speed Sens. - 0

And tune some cars with steering lock of about 22-25, and see how that feels.

Alternativly

Steering Sene. - 50
Steering Rotation - 720
Speed Sens. - 0

And tune cars to 31-53 steering lock. The BAD part of this one is cars that you cannot tune "Hot laps" etc. are not easy to turn and you have to go change your rotation to complete them.

But mess around with any of those settings and see which one feels best.

Also...you MIGHT want to turn Speed Sensitivity up a bit to 30-35% and see if that helps any as well.

It takes some time to get this game "setup" but once you so it awesome!

Thing is though, is that even though i have all these racing games i pretty much suck at tuning. Yeah i know pretty much the basics to get me by, but as a whole its all to intense for me sometimes.

Are the settings going to be different for various drives in this car? ie FR,MD,RR etc etc?. Or are the settings a general rule of thumb overall?.

I will try the settings suggested in this post and get back on here and will post where im at. I do know that as of now the Speed Rotation is at 540, and all the deadzones are at 0. Not sure how i left the others, but i will adjust as suggested on here and see how it goes.

I really really wanna enjoy this game.

Thanks for the advice given by all. 👍

Edit: Oh btw isnt there an option to choose practice on this game?. Or do i need to enter races to adjust the settings?. I dont remember seeing a practice setting anywhere.

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[bmwisme]

Thing is though, is that even though i have all these racing games i pretty much suck at tuning. Yeah i know pretty much the basics to get me by, but as a whole its all to intense for me sometimes.

Are the settings going to be different for various drives in this car? ie FR,MD,RR etc etc?. Or are the settings a general rule of thumb overall?.

I will try the settings suggested in this post and get back on here and will post where im at. I do know that as of now the Speed Rotation is at 540, and all the deadzones are at 0. Not sure how i left the others, but i will adjust as suggested on here and see how it goes.

I really really wanna enjoy this game.

Thanks for the advice given by all. 👍

Edit: Oh btw isnt there an option to choose practice on this game?. Or do i need to enter races to adjust the settings?. I dont remember seeing a practice setting anywhere.

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When in tuning there is a test option.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Yeah...live tuning is greeeat. Also, every tune is going to be different. Use the default then drive around...make aome tweaks, see the difference and make adjustments. It is pretty in depth.

It take a while but it is fun, and makes a bif difference. There are some guides, and even the tunes in the sticky above to try out.

 

[AngloAmerican]

Hey Guys

Well ive tinkered with a couple of cars around Donington National (my test track) and i hate to admit that ive got the steering assist thing on, but with that, and some slight tuning, im able to get around fairly consistent (within 1-2 seconds of each lap) Still not great but much much better than i was.

I have not got far enough to unlock the advanced tuning parts, but when i keep improving i will go back into career mode and start to enjoy (mostly) this game. I really like the tuning/test way of doing things as its much quicker than what ive been used to.

Its still not perfect as i hate using the steering assist (the only one i use btw), but hopefully with the next patch it may fix the issue i was having. Im feeling much better about this game now, and hopefully i will be assist free soon. 👍

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[arvore]

It's a question of getting used to a new, for You, handling model.
I guess everyone struggled a little bit at the beginning, also race cars like GT3 and GT1 feel less "sloppy" so it gets better further in career mode.👍

 

[bmwisme]

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I guess everyone struggled a little bit at the beginning, also race cars like GT3 and GT1 feel less "sloppy" so it gets better further in career mode.👍

Exactly... that is why I would "suggest" new S2U racers use the "Steering Rack Adjustment" feature until they become accustom to the handling and/or progress to the point of the better handling GT1/3 cars. No use getting all frustrated and miss out on a great game.

 

[vramak]

I've had the game for about a week now and I've progressed to lvl 18 I think. I unlocked the GT1 Championship yesterday. (don't ask me if I'm playing on easy. I'm playing on elite/medium with DFGT). I've got used to the handling model and the lag. The lag was a problem only with the Nordschliefe races, otherwise it was manageable.

The biggest problem with the handling for me is how the cars seem to have no downforce. (Again, don't ask me if I've not tuned aero. I've done that.) In long sweeping turns the cars seem to just slide away if you don't reduce the throttle. It doesn't feel like oversteer or understeer. It just feels like sliding over ice. I'm wondering if trying out one of the tunes listed in the stickies would help alleviate this problem.

 

[LTX67]

T-12's tunes did it for me. Every racing session is a much better experience than the last, and tuning on my own has also become an option because of the benchmark T-12 provides.

The cars begin to settle as your skill set (within this game specifically) improves and your feel for the wheels becomes more nuanced.

Hope you continue to enjoy it. I can't get enough of it.

 

[arvore]

The biggest problem with the handling for me is how the cars seem to have no downforce. (Again, don't ask me if I've not tuned aero. I've done that.) In long sweeping turns the cars seem to just slide away if you don't reduce the throttle. It doesn't feel like oversteer or understeer. It just feels like sliding over ice. I'm wondering if trying out one of the tunes listed in the stickies would help alleviate this problem.

I'm afraid no tune will change the core Physics engine of the game.But once You get used to it You can enjoy the great tracks the game has!

 

[Vaxxtx]

It's a question of getting used to a new, for You, handling model.
I guess everyone struggled a little bit at the beginning, also race cars like GT3 and GT1 feel less "sloppy" so it gets better further in career mode.👍

Exactly... that is why I would "suggest" new S2U racers use the "Steering Rack Adjustment" feature until they become accustom to the handling and/or progress to the point of the better handling GT1/3 cars. No use getting all frustrated and miss out on a great game.

That freaks me out. I cannot control the GT1 or GT3 cars, and I have tried most of them. I have used the Renown tunes, my tunes, everything...I just suck with those cars. You can see by my autolog times...I do ok with all others, but GT1/3 ones, I am horrible. What am I doing wrong??

 

[arvore]

I guess it's a question of personal preference, I for one think that any of the GT3 cars is easier to handle than any Modern B class upgraded to the 1500 PI, and the same regarding the GT1 cars compared to Modern A.
Contrary to Your case these 2 classes are the only one's I can fight for the leadership with the top dogs in my Autolog, I guess it all comes down to practice, since I don't have many time to play I focused my efforts on my favourite cars.
Anyway in each class there are cars easier to handle, I think both Fords for instance ,are pretty stable, although probably a bit slower than the Astons or the MC12.
Prize cars in each class-Z4 GT3 GT-R GT1- are pretty easy to tame even in stock tunes, at least IMO.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I guess it's a question of personal preference, I for one think that any of the GT3 cars is easier to handle than any Modern B class upgraded to the 1500 PI, and the same regarding the GT1 cars compared to Modern A.
Contrary to Your case these 2 classes are the only one's I can fight for the leadership with the top dogs in my Autolog, I guess it all comes down to practice, since I don't have many time to play I focused my efforts on my favourite cars.
Anyway in each class there are cars easier to handle, I think both Fords for instance ,are pretty stable, although probably a bit slower than the Astons or the MC12.
Prize cars in each class-Z4 GT3 GT-R GT1- are pretty easy to tame even in stock tunes, at least IMO.

Yeah I do great with Modern B (PI's close to 1500), and Modern A I can do great in say a Lambo, but dang I am lucky to podium in the GT's. I tried for a few hours to tune the GT3 Z4 and I gave up. And it sucks to since I watched a GT3 race at Silverstone for the first time last week (on youtube) and wanted to play the GT3 series again.

More practice for me it seems.