Stock A-Spec Seasonal #21 - (400PP, 500PP, 600PP RC - 3/25 to 4/08)

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This is a thread series for the seasonal time trials that focuses on completing the challenges (i.e. beating the gold target times) with stock versions of the cars. This means that instead of maximizing your PP with upgrades and focusing on getting the fastest laps on the in-game leaderboard, you are attempting to complete the challenges with the bare minimum amount of 'car' and money-spent as is possible.

With the new more open ended format means that part of the challenge will be finding a stock car that has the lowest PP or lowest price depending on your view. It is also difficult to predict which types of tires a car will come with before purchasing.

Warning: Some of these challenges are getting to be extreme and should be approached with caution! :banghead:


In order to participate your car must be stock.

1) A stock car is essentially any car as it is when purchased from the dealership or won as a prize: it will have had no modifications, added parts, or adjustments done that affect how the car performs.
2) No oil changes are permitted: if you have had an oil change you must wait until the effects of the HP boost have been removed by driving over 300 km.
3) You must use the original tire type that came with the car, unless dirt or snow tires are required.
4) No changes to any “Car Settings” are permitted: they must ALL be left at their default values. [Note: cars that come with Fully Customizable Suspension that were purchased or won prior to patch 1.11 must have the suspension settings restored to default in order to be updated with the new stock suspension settings.]
5) No SRF or ASM is permitted: other “Driver Assists” are permitted.

Basically, the ONLY changes you may make to a car include: painting the car and changing a car’s racing number. Any other changes means your car is not stock.


Stock A-Spec Seasonals #21:

Beginner Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Twin Ring Motegi East - 400 PP - SH
Intermediate Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse - 500 PP - SH
Expert Level Race Car Challenge: Red Bull Ring - 600 PP - RH


The Stock Seasonal Spreadsheet:

A few members have begun a leaderboard of sorts where individuals will be able to input their info into a public document. This is not so much a competition as a way to compare all sorts of data. At this point the data that is recorded for entries is as follows:

PP - Best Lap - Total Time - Car - Tires - Drive - Power - Weight - Rabbit - Rabbit Total Time

Link to the GTP Stock Seasonal Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kDEW2OWUxHfq9PTR4G4-HKXl3veLfq0sXhvwiPYMUGw/

Notes about the Spreadsheet:
Tabs will generally be ordered with the newest seasonal events at the left.
Gold times are ordered based first on PP (lowest PP at the top), and then total time.
Bronze and Silver times are ordered based solely on total time (fastest time at the top): these entries will be grayed out.
If you are comfortable with entering your info please do so.
Only create one entry per car for your best total time for that car.
To add an empty line: right click (PC) on a gray row number box and select add a row above or below.
If you make a mistake or change something you did not mean to change hit undo once or a few times.
 
My results so far with a wheel and an automatic transmission:

400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
364PP
– 1:53.042 – 6:04.870 – Nissan Fairlady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) ’78 – CS – FR – 142hp – 1225kg – PRELUDE Type S ’98 – 6:05.862

Strange car for me to use…it was this year’s birthday car. I think I received the Audi Quattro ’82 last year.


500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
413PP
– 1:15.797 – 6:52.394 – Ferrari Dino 246 GT ’71 – SH – MR – 191hp – 1080kg – Zonda C12 ’00 – 6:53.252


600PP RC at Red Bull Ring:
582PP
– 1:28.073 – 7:41.944 – Jaguar XJ13 ’66 – RH – MR – 510hp – 998kg – Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) “91… – 7:42.921

Before I found the Viper I lost to the GT by Citroen Race Car which ran a 7:40.592 and the TS030 Hybrid ’12 which ran a 7:28.824.
 
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400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
362PP
– 1:54.315 – 6:06.567 – BMW 507 '57 – CS – FR – 147hp – 1240kg – ECLIPSE Spyder GTS '03 – 6:07.189

500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
482PP
– 1:15.106 – 6:51.182 – Lotus Esprit V8 '02 – SH – MR – 353hp – 1380kg – Countach 25th Anniversary '88 – 6:53.606
496PP – 1:12.489 – 6:37.442 – Ferrari 365 GTB4 '71 – SH – FR – 347hp – 1200kg – XKR Coupe '10 – 6:40.864


I just saw something very strange but the total time for the scoreboard popup after a race isn't the same as the total time you see in the review after 5 laps, it's only like 0:00:0xx difference but still. I've always been using the scoreboard times though, those seem to be just a tad slower than the replay times.
 
400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
353PP
- 1:54.340 - 6:08.568 - Toyota MR2 1600 G '86 - CS - MR - 127hp - 1120kg - SLK230 Kompressor '98 - 6:08.861

500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
456PP
- 1:15.405 - 6:52.874 - Hyundai CLIX '01 - SH - 4WD - 299hp - 1329kg - Viper GTS '02 - 6:54.548

I'd not used the Clix before. It's rather fun and the super short wheelbase and 4WD make it ideal for this track.

600PP RC at Red Bull Ring:
599PP
- 1:26.001 - 7:33.452 - Alpine VGT Race Mode - RH - MR - 443hp - 900kg - McLaren F1 GTR BMW - 7:38.394

Not like me to be choosing a concept car and an imaginary car rather than the usual classics but, although I seem to be in a minority, I really like the Alpine. I had so much fun doing the Mid-field TT that I had to give it go here. Other than the Mini it's the the only VGT I've driven again after winning it. It looks cool too, like a proper car, not something out of a Transformers film. And the air-brakes. I do like a car that stops well.

@Hastatus I think you need to check the figures on your Dino.
 
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400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
353PP
- 1:53.861 - 6:06.867 - Toyota MR2 1600 G '86 - CS - MR - 127hp - 1120kg - Altezza RS200 '98 - 6:07.812
343PP - 1:57.758 - 6:17.198 - MINI COOPER '02 - CM - FF - 112hp - 1115kg - MINI COOPER S '07 - 6:17.204

500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
493PP
- 1:13.952 - 6:47.359 - RUF BTR '86 - SH - RR - 369hp - 1180kg - Zonda C12 ' 00 - 6:48.694

A one frame difference? The total time for my cars is from the post race display.
 
400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
358PP
- 1:57.511 - 6:17.266 - Corvette Convertible (C1) '54 - CS - FR - 149hp - 1309kg - Pontiac Sunfire GXP Concept '03 - 6:17.419

Lord that was painful, and a two speed gearbox to boot.:crazy:

500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
448PP
- 1:17.834 - 7:00.878 - TVR V8S '91 - SH - FR - 238hp - 1050kg - RS6 Avant '08 - 7:02.323
470PP - 1:14.075 - 6:46.865 - RUF 3400S '00 - SH - MR - 305hp - 1300kg - RS6 Avant '08 - 6:49.605

600PP RC at Red Bull Ring:
574PP
- 1:28.633 - 7:44.866 - RX-7 LM Race Car - RH - FR - 500hp - 1080kg - Camaro LM Race Car - 7:48.261

@StirlingMoose you appear to like Mid-Field too.👍
 
600PP RC at Red Bull Ring: (already added in the doc)

3rd - 591 Breyzipp 1:29.006 7:49.287 Ferrari 330 P4 '67 RH MR 448 792 1,76 GT-R R35 Touring Car 7:37.789
2nd - 588 Breyzipp 1:30.548 7:53.711 Ford Mark IV Race Car '67 RH MR 503 1000 1,98 Camaro LM Race Car 7:47.610


Taking my handicap racing setup into account, I don't think I can improve much more in total lap time with the Mark IV Race Car, I already spent 1,5 hours just trying to do 5 decent laps once. It's ooh so frustrating when you coast through a hairpin corner at extremely low speeds, a car bumps into you and you slide off the track as if the tarmac suddenly changed to ice. At that point the speedometer indicates like 60 kph but it feels more like driving 10-20 kph. I seriously hope for GT7 they make this stuff a bit more realistic...

The Ferrari seemed a bit easier to keep under control but was still a challenge. There I'm sure I can improve more and win against a proper grid since I didn't spend as much time with it as with the Ford. And at the very last corner on lap 5 I messed up and therefore ended in 3rd place.

The XJ13 I will give a try later as well. :)
 
400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
338PP
- 1:54.698 - 6:10.698 - Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale '63 - CS - FR - 112bhp - 950kg - Prelude Type S '98 - 6:11.079

500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
429PP
- 1:18.040 - 7:01.676 - Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 - CS - FR - 248bhp - 1310kg - M5 '08 - 7:02.192

@GTFireball I love Mid-Field. I started with GT5 so I'd not had the pleasure before. Funny that you should choose the '54 Corvette for Motegi as it was my birthday car a couple of weeks ago and I was going to follow Hastatus's example and give it an outing here.

@breyzipp Well done for keeping at it with the old-timers. I had a quick go with the Ferrari and it's not easy. They have a bit of a straight line advantage but lack of downforce means longer braking zones and slower cornering speeds so the only way to make up time is to really nail the exits and make the most of the superior acceleration. It's a bit dispiriting to get out-braked by the AI and watch them pulling away through the bends when you're right on the limit.

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500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
413PP - 1:15.595 - 6:49.637 - Ferrari Dino 246 GT ’71 – SH – MR – 191hp –1080kg - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00 - 6:53.051

I think this underlines just how ridiculous the Dino's PP rating is. On CS it was about on a par with the RX-8 at 429PP but on SH it's almost unbeatable. It's not often you'll find me reloading the race looking for a harder grid. The only rabbit I could find that the Dino couldn't beat was the Nissan R390.
 
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@StirlingMoose Same for me on Mid-Field, but I need some more laps (and skills). I guess the 'vette was my BD car too last year - one of the few close to the true date. I was trying to remember if it might have been one of the prize cars because I would not otherwise buy it. Have at it, just try not to fall asleep:cheers:
 
400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
338PP
- 1:54.698 - 6:10.698 - Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale '63 - CS - FR - 112bhp - 950kg - Prelude Type S '98 - 6:11.079

500PP at Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse:
429PP
- 1:18.040 - 7:01.676 - Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 - CS - FR - 248bhp - 1310kg - M5 '08 - 7:02.192

@GTFireball I love Mid-Field. I started with GT5 so I'd not had the pleasure before. Funny that you should choose the '54 Corvette for Motegi as it was my birthday car a couple of weeks ago and I was going to follow Hastatus's example and give it an outing here.

@breyzipp Well done for keeping at it with the old-timers. I had a quick go with the Ferrari and it's not easy. They have a bit of a straight line advantage but lack of downforce means longer braking zones and slower cornering speeds so the only way to make up time is to really nail the exits and make the most of the superior acceleration. It's a bit dispiriting to get out-braked by the AI and watch them pulling away through the bends when you're right on the limit.

Yes the straight line acceleration and top speed advantage of those classic race cars is quite amazing, but like you said they are also so fragile in cornering. Which makes me wonder about the supposedly realistic physics model in GT6, downforce should have diminishing results when the speed of the car gets lower, it makes little sense how those cars behave in the hairpin corners when another car bumps into them and you just seem to slide and spin as if the track surface suddenly became ice.

But I was really surprised how well they perform when you add everything up and look at lap times, I also tried a few laps with modern race cars (the R8 Ultra Team Joest) and a '11 HSV-010 just to compare but I was several seconds slower per lap compared to the 330 P4. So hats off for the classics! ;)

I still need my gold trophy and paint chip from that event and it will happen in one of the 3 big classic race cars.:D From the 2 I tried extensively I liked the 330 P4 the most because of the stability and lighter weight. Tomorrow I will give the XJ13 a proper try as well, judging from @Hastatus his comment I think it will be a pleasure to drive it since cornering is where the 330 P4 and especially the Mark IV Race Car come short. :)
 
400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
358PP
- 1:56.018 - 6:11.116 - Corvette Convertible (C1) '54 - CS - FR - 149hp - 1309kg - SLK 230 Kompressor '98 - 6:11.244

I managed to stay awake. Actually it was a bit of a battle. I kept getting narrowly beaten by a Mitsubishi GTO so tried another grid and got the Merc, which was a bit slower. Close though.

@breyzipp I think what you are experiencing is the usual GT collision physics, whereby the AI seem to magically gain mass when you hit them. Try doing a PIT manoeuvre on an AI and it's like it's glued to the road but if they so much as clip the back of your car round you go. I suppose it's there deliberately to discourage dirty driving but it means when they crash into you you're scuppered. Ironically the only time it works to your advantage is if you're driving really dirty and bouncing off them. I'm afraid the only solution is to stay out of their way.
 
4 new cars for the beginner event, 2 wins and 2 top 3

400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East: (already added in the doc)
358
Breyzipp 1:54.479 6:08.743 Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89 CS FR 117 940 8,03 FTO GPX '94 6:09.082
373 Breyzipp 1:51.316 5:58.372 Toyota 2000GT '67 CS FR 153 1120 7,32 Prelude SiR '96 5:59.203
375 Breyzipp 1:56.685 6:16.742 Lotus Europa S.2 '68 CS MR 79 624 7,89 Altezza RS200 '98 6:10.604
332 Breyzipp 1:57.934 6:18.080 Toyota Vitz RS 1.5 '07 CM FF 108 1070 9,90 FTO GR '97 6:15.997


My thoughts of these 4 cars :

Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89 - exceptional cornering abilities, overall good car
Toyota 2000GT '67 - most fun ride of these 4 cars, feels very powerful too for its pp so definitely a car to keep in mind for future events
Lotus Europa S.2 '68 - a bit too wobbly in the corners (very soft springs I guess) and very weak for its pp
Toyota Vitz RS 1.5 '07 - I bet it can be done in this car since I ended in 2nd position yet so close to winning 3 times but I couldnt be arsed to find a weak grid. In this pp range this is a decent car i think but it oversteers a LOT so you need to turn into corners well a forehand


The Europa S.2 has 375 pp where the 2000GT has 373 pp but the Toyota is a LOT more powerful than the Lotus is. Just proves again that pp doesn't mean all that much.
 
Gave the 400pp one a try with one of my favourite cars:

400PP at Twin Ring Motegi East:
326PP
- 1'58.972 - 6'19.000 - Suzuki Cappucino (EA11R) '91 - CM - FR - 62hp - 700kg - RenaultSport Clio RS 2.0 16V '02 - 6'19.086

Took a few attempts :crazy: came across the FTO rabbit first and couldn't quite catch him, so gave this guy a try and got there... but it was close:

Twin Ring Motegi East Course.jpg


Didn't write the session screen down but from the replay I know that's the approx. finishing time 👍
 
Did a few more races today. (already added to the doc)

race 2: eiger
454 Breyzipp 1:16.925 7:00.622 Shelby GT350 '65 SH FR 304 1270 4.17 Countach 25th Anniversary '88 7:02.010
490 Breyzipp 1:17.949 7:04.127 Dodge Challenger R/T '70 SH Fr 425 1724 4,05 Audi RS 6 Avant '08 7:03.753

The Shelby was a fun drive, the Challenger was completely the opposite and very unstable. Yet another car that makes me question GT6's physics engine and how silly it can be.

race 3: RB ring - the XJ13 is new, the other 2 are for comparison
591 Breyzipp 1:29.006 7:49.287 Ferrari 330 P4 '67 RH MR 448 792 1,76
582 Breyzipp 1:29.720 7:52.382 Jaguar XJ13 '66 RH MR 510 998 1,95
588 Breyzipp 1:30.548 7:53.711 Ford Mark IV Race Car '67 RH MR 503 1000 1,98

So in those 3 classic racing cars on the RB Ring the Ferrari is the fastest for me, followed by the Jag and then the Ford. That's something I've been testing in the past as well in single player mode (by coincidence also on RB Ring) and then the Ferrari was also the fastest for me.

The XJ13 has indeed better cornering abilities like Hastatus said but it also has more oversteer which hinders taking corners 4-5-6 as fast as I can do them with the Ferrari. In corner 7 I feel like I need to slow down more with the Jag than with the Ferrari as well because of the Jag's oversteer. (for RBR corner numbers: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Ring.svg/1280px-Circuit_Red_Bull_Ring.svg.png)

I really like those 3 classic race cars and I could try more to get gold with them but I got really fed up with AI behaviour on race 3 that I just did it quickly with the Alpine VGT Race Car, get the paint chip and move on. I'm not doing that race anymore, way too frustrating.
 
@mcsqueegy That's a great result. I don't think we'll see a lower PP car win that one.
If anyone is looking for a fun but tough race I'd recommend the Elise Type 72 '01 at Eiger. At 409PP and with CS tyres it goes really well and is capable of a sub 1:18 lap. I've only managed a close second against the Audi RS6 Avant but I'm sure it can be done.
 
Beginner Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Twin Ring Motegi East - 400 PP - SH
326PP
- 6:13.007 - Mazda DEMIO GL-X '99 - CM - FF - 98bhp - 960kg vs GTO SR '96 0.153 sec behind , bl 1:56.585 (Did not see @mcsqueegy 's results before winning in this car)
313PP - 6:17.377 - Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01 - CM - FF - 87bhp - 998kg vs Clio R.S. 2.0 16V '02 +0.162 sec behind , bl 1:58.800 (I thought I had lost my chances of winning when at end of lap 2 I saw the Clio pulling far ahead of the other 2 , very supprised I actually caught the Clio before T2/lap3)

The top 3 cars kept on switching rabbit role during all the restarts I did , sometimed Celica SS-II (ST202) '97 would win , sometimes the Sunfire GXP Concept '02 or the Clio finished 1st.

Intermediate Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse - 500 PP - SH
406PP
- 6:56.903 - Toyota FT-86II concept '11 - SH - FR - 198bhp - 1230kg vs Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 +1.844 sec behind , bl 1:16.830 (the RS 6 Avant was on pole , but the Z06 passed it at T2 / lap1 , passed rabbit lap 5 before end of the tunnel.)

I think the BRZ S , 86 GT and FR-S (407PP) will be good for win too.

Expert Level Race Car Challenge: Red Bull Ring - 600 PP - RH
552PP
- 7:51.137 - Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car - RH - 4WD - 423bhp - 980kg vs GT-R NISMO GT3 Team RJN '13 + 4.083 sec behind , bl 1:30.048
 
I had not won it at the time you posted that. IIRC there is a 313PP Kei car that could match the Corsa's performance at Nürburgring GP/D.

I never cease to be impressed by your knowledge of the cars. You seem to have the knack of knowing exactly which car to choose for the lowest PP in every event. Is this knowledge all kept in your head or do you have it all documented in some master plan?
 
Documented , I can check stock pp , tyres , power ect. , but I use the car search function in GT6 to check what cars I should buy.

It is a lot of work to re-check every car re-adjusted PPs , custom wings , gauges , brake caliper paintability & custom wing paintability and race numbering. Just to mention a few
 
Intermediate Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse - 500 PP - SH
409PP -
1:18.xxx - 7:04.130 - Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 - CS - MR - 120bhp - 756kg - RGT '00 - 7:04.826

A bit of perseverance paid off. I was helped by the fact that the RUF, Audi and Corvette were having a battle royale at the front and slowing each other down. On the penultimate bend, while they were mixing it up, I nipped round the outside and got the jump on them up the hill. I could see them in my mirror weaving about and trading paint trying to be the one to catch me and it was the RUF that won out. He got the inside line on the last bend but never managed to get his nose in front.
I've never got on with the Eiger before. For me it flows much better in reverse.
 
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