Stock Seasonal Time Trial #14 (RWD 400 PP, 60s American – 6/04 to 7/02)

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This is a thread series for the seasonal time trials that focuses on completing the challenges (i.e. beating the gold target times) with stock versions of the cars. This means that instead of maximizing your PP with upgrades and focusing on getting the fastest laps on the in-game leaderboard, you are attempting to complete the challenges with the bare minimum amount of 'car' and money-spent as is possible. Since SSTT#8 some of the gold time have become increasingly challenging to reach with this approach, and some have been shown to be impossible. These may require much more time and practice for some people.

With the new more open ended format means that part of the challenge will be finding a stock car that has the lowest PP or lowest price depending on your view. It is also difficult to predict which types of tires a car will come with before purchasing.

Warning: Some of these challenges are getting to be extreme and should be approached with caution! :banghead:


This thread is for people to post their lap times who have used the following limitations:

1) Car must be stock: no upgrades to cars are permitted (this includes upgrades that do not increase PP such as transmissions).
2) Fresh oil changes in order to temporarily increase HP and PP are not permitted. If you have done an oil change recently you should lower your car's power to the non-fresh-oil-change HP level or wait until the HP has returned to the OEM oil level.
3) You must use the original tires that the car came with.
4) No "Car Settings" like Brake Balance can be adjusted.
5) No SRF or ASM is allowed: other Driver Assists are permitted. [SRF is obviously permitted if PD has forced drivers to employ it.]



Stock Seasonal Time Trials #14:

Rear-Wheel-Drive Non-Racing Car Super Lap: target 1:39.000*

60s American Cars (non-racing) Super Lap: target 1:21.000**




* There are numerous RWD cars under 450 PP, but finding those with CS tires will be difficult.

** There are only 11 possible entrants for the 60s American (if I'm wrong let me know!):

XNR Ghia Roadster ’60 – 408 PP – 1,000,000$
Corvette Coupe (C2) ’63 – 429 PP – 84,890$
Camaro Z28 ’69 – 450 PP – 65,000$
Camaro SS ’69 – 451 PP – 60,000$
El Camino SS 396 ’67 – 453 PP – 30,000$
GT350 ’65 – 454 PP – 50,000$
Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3) ’69 – 455 PP – 50,000$
GT350R ’65 – 455 PP – 106,110$
Tempest Le Mans GTO ’64 - 461 PP – 52,600$
Cougar XR-7 ’67 – 462 PP – 47,280$
Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) ’69 – 465 PP – 71,500$
 
I tried several cars for the 60s American and got 1:22.xxx with the Camaro Z28 '69, GT350 '65, Corvette Stingray (C3) '69, and Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69. My bet is the GT350 '65 (or the standard version which I didn't try) will be the car to do it first: made a 1:22.098 with automatic transmission and a wheel.

CS are so slippery on that curvy Apricot Hill, especially in MR cars! Tried a few cars and reached the 1:45.xxx mark, but finding the right car seems to be the challenge here.
 
RWD / Apricot Hill
1:38.530 Acura NSX '91 Comfor Soft tyres (stock) 433pp/266bhp/1365kg (prize car)

Rome Reverse 60's Muscle
1:26.645 Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster '60 Sports Hard tyres (stock) 408pp/250bhp/1500kg (prize car)
1:22.755 Chevrolet El Camino SS 396 '67 Sports Hard tyres (stock) 453pp/325bhp/1468kg
1:20.980 Shelby GT350 '65 Sports Hard tyres (stock) 454pp/304bhp/1270kg


The NSX had served me once before at Ascari fetching gold in the NSX TT , so i knew the car to begin with and had no big issues with the handling anymore.
Key was to shift up just before hitting rev limiter and staying on throttle when braking.


For the Shelby the keys for getting gold were throttle control and shifting up at redline to avoid wheelspin & to stay on powerband. The brakes were pretty weak , so the car needed some early braking.
But after the first 2 , Ghia Roadster and El Camino , 4 gears was a bliss.


EDIT2: Optional stock cars for the Time Trials:

Acura NSX '04 (comes with Comfort Soft tyres)
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69 (comes with Sports Hard tyres , where the open top comes with Comfort Softs)
Camaro Z28

All other but GT350 hit the rev. limiter and thus have next to no chance for gold.
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Also golded the drift trials with stock cars:

BMW M Series / Cape Ring
4804pts M4 Coupé (past seasonal prize car)

French cars / London Reverse
4986pts (wheel)
5673pts GT By Citroen Road Car (prize car , DS3 , directional buttons)

And Mitsubishi VGT TT 1:31.401

EDIT: Shelby GT350 replay attached.
 

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Finding stock tyres will be a faff! So Thank you for giving an idiot like me a short list to choose from!

As an Aside -
What would be a reasonable fix for the top speed constricted American cars?
Custom Gearbox but set to say 200mph - Let them race but with no tuning advantage from tuning.
It has always annoyed me these big lumps of Americana are so limited bone stock.
 
Thinking about this the custom Box could have the exact same ratios as a current Muscle car - "The Shelby Box" or suchlike. For some reason I want to use the Pontiac GTO, but if it judders along at 120mph molesting the rev limiter then the fun goes.

A "Stock" GTPMadMax 150mph Gearbox ...
Just a shame there is no reward for getting a gold/silver/bronze time a second time.

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Like a donkey I bought a Soft Top Stingray from memory... Comfort Softs... 1m26 lap time. It was quite good fun on Comfort tyres, Back end was squirrely engine note was - empty. - When I manage to buy a car with Semi Slick Sport the time trial should be much much easier.
 
RWD / Apricot Hill

But after the first 2 , Ghia Roadster and El Camino , 4 gears was a bliss.

Lol yeah - I did buy a '69 Camaro and was dismayed to find it topped out at 115 especially as it handled really nice
 
Apricot Hill - Silvia spec-R AERO (S15) '02 - 433pp - Stock (Comes with SH)

No Aids, H-Shifter+Clutch - 1:38.972

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Roma Reverse - Shelby GT350 '65 - 454pp

ABS 1, rest off, H-Shifter+Clutch - 1:20.684

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Also used the same cars MadMax used for the drift trials, but did both with wheel (eheh). The London one was difficult, I'm glad they let you ram against the walls a bit.
 
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GT350 1965
454pp 304bhp/45torques/1270kg SH tyres

I had two short goes in this car.
First a 7 lap stint with a custom gearbox - set to 155mph (I wanted 150... but GT6 would not let me. 155 is as round a number as I could find)
3.119/2.079/1.496/1.138/0.915/3.890

I managed a 1m23.121
Car was very ... delayed in the way it would react. (I had an overrun (Black flag) on Turn one which probably slowed me for the day as I couldn't get the car to turn much)

I then swapped to the stock box... only four gears....
2.360/1.620/1.200/1.000/..../3.890
I only did 5 laps, pulling a 1m23.162

This gear box seemed to get very close to the rev limiter, but didn't quite get to it. - The Custom gearbox felt okay, with tranny whine but that top gear had more room for the fast straights.

I'd been plugging about Deep Forest Raceway Reverse in the Lotus97T /Renault Turbo - so after that fun, it was hard work getting the Mustang to alter direction without rear axel doing something from the 1800's -

I did respray the car Starmist Crimson (TVR) and you get a dark red with Black stripes - even if you bought a unstripey car in the first place.

All ABS=0, TCS=0 and Blind Spot Warning Triangles = 0
 
Have finally got Gold at Apricot Hill with a sub 450pp stock car....

All hail the 400-450pp [CS] stock king..... :D

Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 @ 429pp/248bhp/1310kg = 1:37.899
and there is plenty of room for more with a cleaner lap than I did.

Also gave this one a go.....

éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91 @ 434pp/251bhp/1260kg = 1:38.883
but it came with SH tyres as stock so had to do the downgrade. It was a tough little bugger to keep the nose pointing the right way on them too.

👍
 
Only a 5 lap tickle today - In the GT350R by Shelby. (Not the GT350)
It only comes in one colour "Tighty whity White... with blue stripes" but if you do respray it you get a solid paint job with only minor residuals of the decals.

Now to me the Stock gearbox looks pretty identical to the one on the GT350 (Premium in GT6) - but this older car, for whatever reason did reach and clatter the rev limiter on the Via dei Fori Imperiali straight. (The Pit straight).

Still had handling issues that had my tyre indicators looking like disco lights. I think I shaved a tenth off my best in the GT350 from yesterday. Long way to go before I get gold. But A lot of corners I am being safe rather than being fast. And I also seem to lock up kill a front tyre and then expect it to turn in afterwards.

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Rear Wheel drive - Yet to run. Was tempted to use an RX8, - The TVR V8S is about 450pp but I am sure it comes with Sporty tyres and is not very competitive PP wise - But when did that ever stop me!
 
Any takes on the new seasonals?
For Rome, the Alfa 8C does the trick easily.
For Willow, The F430 Scuderia was easy.
I have yet to complete Suzuka, but I suspect that the Enzo will suffice.
 
Rome - I was stunned when my failed stock GT350R (American 60's @ Emor) (That's Rome Reversed ... ) rocked up at this new ASPec event and brought home the Bubbly.

Willow Springs - A Stock TVR Griffith (just short of 500pp I think) This was much fun as I have many many miles at that track -

Suzuka
However...
I've run a few cars here - The Griffith I used for Willow Springs, was just way, way off the pace. - The initial 20 second gap stretched out to nearly a Minute - Still the replay looked sweet.
I had a dash with an Aston One-77 I think I had altered the brakes ages ago - 3/2 - and the car was a truck when I wanted to slow down!
Jaguar XJ220 - This car was good, I was 5 seconds off a win - So a bit more application from the driver could get a win for me.
I did try a LCC Rocket - but the low top speed really limited any overtaking - The AI is a bit more tricksy out of corners, not Human driver pushing you off the track - but taking an odd line that could wrong foot you. They also leave the track every so often, so be extra careful if you have an AI car behind you... Maybe a slightly defensive line into a corner, let them overshoot on your outside and not collect you and your car, in their trip to the scene of the accident.
 

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