Sup,hello to all, some questions from a gt3 driftin nub

[PiE]

Sup guys
Just recently found this site, I've been playin gt3 grip for a year and a lil now, loved drifting and still do, but I never really tried on gt3 But i've played initial d on arcade and on my ps2,beaten them all and since it's so easy after awhile I decided to get started on gt3, which is much more realistic. I've been drifting for about 6 days now and I've decided on a mr2 gts as my first car. I can manage to drift alot of turns on some courses like apricot hill or mid field, but I've got a few questions for you gt3 drift junkies out there (whom I respect very much now that I'm into gt3 drifting) On long turns, or on any turn, 30% of the time I usually hit the inside wall, but yet when I go into the turn faster to prevent this I hit the outside wall. I was wondering how I would go about to prevent this. I'm guessing this question has already been asked but since theres so many and searching doens't work that well, since many people phrase things differently, I've decided to come out and register and ask for myself. Any comments are appreciated

 

[pergatory]

Discovering the fine line between too fast and too slow eh? There is a balance, it just takes a while to find it, that's all. One of the things that I found really difficult at first was predicting the car's movement. It's like this:

When you're sideways and you give it gas you have to unlearn everything you know about giving gas through corners using grip style. It does not accelerate you through the turn it accelerates you in the direction you are pointing. So if you give it a lot of gas too early, you will hit the outside wall or spin out when you get further through the turn because you accelerated too much in that direction early on. However, if you don't give it enough gas then it will lose speed later in the drift and you will either understeer or hit the inside wall. The car's reaction to your throttle is delayed until the car gets a little farther through the corner, ya dig? The faster you're going, the farther away that imaginary point is.

 

[lifestream]

I'm not sure if I can explain how I worked this out for myself but you need to remember that drifting is all about balance. When you drift the difference between going tooo fast and too slow is very minute, almost hard to tell. Either too slow or too fast and you can find yourself spinning in a 360 or up against a wall. When entering long turns, especially when your just starting out, id say don't go for angle because your going to be drifting for a "long" period, start out with slight oversteer, and as u approach the end of the turn then go for ur larger angle because that way you will have more traction to keep ur car following the ideal line...

As for the way I do it.. I approach the turn faster then I normally would and induce oversteer, and i get my best angle going, and mid turn I start my countersteer correction and give it more gas to help straighten the car out and by the time I hit the end of my drift I'm going at a decent speed and my angle is straight. uhh i don't know if this helps much i can't really explain but I tried my best ^_^

 

[sny_pher]

Originally posted by lifestream
I'm not sure if I can explain how I worked this out for myself but you need to remember that drifting is all about balance. When you drift the difference between going tooo fast and too slow is very minute, almost hard to tell. Either too slow or too fast and you can find yourself spinning in a 360 or up against a wall. When entering long turns, especially when your just starting out, id say don't go for angle because your going to be drifting for a "long" period, start out with slight oversteer, and as u approach the end of the turn then go for ur larger angle because that way you will have more traction to keep ur car following the ideal line...

As for the way I do it.. I approach the turn faster then I normally would and induce oversteer, and i get my best angle going, and mid turn I start my countersteer correction and give it more gas to help straighten the car out and by the time I hit the end of my drift I'm going at a decent speed and my angle is straight. uhh i don't know if this helps much i can't really explain but I tried my best ^_^

Hmm, this sounds like how I started out

I still have problem getting sideways before a turn...is there really no alternative to the e-brake?

 

[DRFT*]

maybe try using sim tires. it might help abit on conserving your drift speed till the end.

 

[exhaust_note]

used to use sim tires, but it was getting to squirly so i wnet higher Hp, towed the rear tires out 2 degrees and Put normal tires on the back and sport tires on the from to keep the front from drifting out, its the best setup ive had yet

 

[bengee]

welll... it seems by your explanation pie that you are having trouble witht he longer corners and not the hairs right...

when i was beginning in gt3 i used fr first and then moved to 4wd... it seems to me that this would also aid you... you need to learn throttle control in order to prolong your drift and be able to correct your line with mininal steering input... this can be done in the middle of a turn...

just remember the basics...

gassing swings your back end out more when you are drifting... oversteer

braking brings your front out... as long as your setting for brakes are even or close to it... understeer

letting go of the gas does what braking does but in a smaller fashion...

lets say you went into a corner too fast... or there is a corner where you need to change your line inorder to complete the turn with a nice drift... (this happenens at midfield and apricot as well as other places)... what i usually do is alter my slip angle by braking... by swinging the back end out... this will slow you down and prevent you from destroying your drift...

the above basically deals with the problem of entering a corner too fast... now i will talk about entering a corner too slow and hitting the inside...

basically you must realize your problem before it is too late and let off the gas or brake... depending on how much time you have... this will alter you slip angle to a shallower one... but it will also hurt your drift... because you have broken and are prolly going even slower... to deal with this you must balance your gassing and letting of the gas so that you at least maintain a loss of traction on the rear wheels... however with countersteering... it is possible to maintain all four wheels smoking...

remember to countersteer or regular steer when nescessary... what i have said above is just general and is a useful skill to learn...

oh yeah why i suggested to use a 4wd is because i found that the effects of what i talked about above were more pronounced... pick a light one... dont be afraid... set it up as you would a fr or mr and start getting used to the car... then you will find that what i have said above really comes in handy... because if you countersteer and gas you will pop right out of the drift....

good luck

what perg said is very useful... do not ever think that it is necessary to gas immediately... same with countersteer...