Supreme Court Okays Personal Property Seizures

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This is some sick twisted crap. So wal-mart can come in and just blow away my home? This is ludicrous. I can't believe they even let this fly.

So now, you don't even own your land. I mean you always had to pay taxes on it, but now they can just take it from you whenever they feel like it. This really enrages me. :mad:
 
...but the needs of the many outweigh the rights of the few. This is basically the supreme court saying that property rights can be violated if it's "in the public interest". What personal rights are next to be violated in the public interest?
 
"At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for "public use." '
The above quote was taken from the linked article.


Its not something new . Eminent domain issues always come up in cities looking to expand or redevelope land . in this particular case the argument before the court was wether they had the right to claim eminent domain over economic issues in a non - blighted area.
Do you understand what eminent domain is or how it works ?

I do not aggree with the court and am in favor of the dissenting veiw ..but its not as unreasonable as you would think by just reading a blurb .
 
I can just see it now. Neighborhoods being torn down so a shopping mall can have proper parking spaces. Nice. But it's not as cut and dry as that. I smell a bigger stink looming.

What happens when a Senator, or other high-raking governmnet official, wants land near a neighborhood to call his or her own? He can now come in a say, "Beat it, chump!" I bet he'll call it a move that's "In the citizens best interest." Owning land has now becoming a very risky business venture in America. ******* bastards.

There's a gun club that has been fighting to stay open in a city near where I live. It's been there for decades. Now, a home developer wants the land to put up houses. It's a plot of land seated at the foothills of the local mountain range. Very expensive real estate these days. With this new law, the developer could just swoop in and take the outdoor gun rage, because, "It's in the citizens best interest to have homes, and not a gun range." I'm really getting pist off at America right now.
 
''The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution says 'nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.' This is a tacit recognition of a preexisting power to take private property for public use, rather than a grant of new power.'' 160 Eminent domain ''appertains to every independent government. It requires no constitutional recognition; it is an attribute of sovereignty.'' 161 In the early years of the nation the federal power of eminent domain lay dormant, 162 and it was not until 1876 that its existence was recognized by the Supreme Court. In Kohl v. United States 163 any doubts were laid to rest, as the Court affirmed that the power was as necessary to the existence of the National Government as it was to the existence of any State. The federal power of eminent domain is, of course, limited by the grants of power in the Constitution, so that property may only be taken for the effectuation of a granted power, 164 but once this is conceded the ambit of national powers is so wide- ranging that vast numbers of objects may be effected. 165 This prerogative of the National Government can neither be enlarged nor diminished by a State. 166 Whenever lands in a State are needed for a public purpose, Congress may authorize that they be taken, either by proceedings in the courts of the State, with its consent, or by proceedings in the courts of the United States, with or without any consent or concurrent act of the State. 167


''Prior to the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment,'' the power of eminent domain of state governments ''was unrestrained by any federal authority.'' 168 The just compensation provision of the Fifth Amendment did not apply to the States, 169 and at first the contention that the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment afforded property owners the same measure of protection against the States as the Fifth Amendment did against the Federal Government was rejected. 170 However, within a decade the Court rejected the opposing argument that the amount of compensation to be awarded in a state eminent domain case is solely a matter of local law. On the contrary, the Court ruled, although a state ''legislature may prescribe a form of procedure to be observed in the taking of private property for public use, . . . it is not due process of law if provision be not made for compensation. . . . The mere form of the proceeding instituted against the owner . . . cannot convert the process used into due process of law, if the necessary result be to deprive him of his property without compensation.'' 171 While the guarantees of just compensation flow from two different sources, the standards used by the Court in dealing with the issues appear to be identical, and both federal and state cases will be dealt with herein without expressly continuing to recognize the two different bases for the rulings.


It should be borne in mind that while the power of eminent domain, though it is inherent in organized governments, may only be exercised through legislation or through legislative delegation, usually to another governmental body, the power may be delegated as well to private corporations, such as public utilities, railroad and bridge companies, when they are promoting a valid public purpose. Such delegation has long been approved. 172

Public Use

Explicit in the just compensation clause is the requirement that the taking of private property be for a public use; the Court has long accepted the principle that one is deprived of his property in violation of this guarantee if a State takes the property for any reason other than a public use. 173 The question whether a particular intended use is a public use is clearly a judicial one, 174 but the Court has always insisted on a high degree of judicial deference to the legislative determination. ''The role of the judiciary in determining whether that power is being exercised for a public purpose is an extremely narrow one.'' 175 When it is state action being challenged under the Fourteenth Amendment, there is the additional factor of the Court's willingness to defer to the highest court of the State in resolving such an issue. 176 As early as 1908, the Court was obligated to admit that notwithstanding its retention of the power of judicial review, ''no case is recalled where this Court has condemned as a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment a taking upheld by the State court as a taking for public uses. . . .'' 177 How ever, in a 1946 case involving federal eminent domain power, the Court cast considerable doubt upon the power of courts to review the issue of public use. ''We think that it is the function of Congress to decide what type of taking is for a public use and that the agency authorized to do the taking may do so to the full extent of its statutory authority.'' 178 There is some suggestion that ''the scope of the judicial power to determine what is a 'public use''' may be different as between Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment cases, with greater power in the latter type of cases than in the former, 179 but it may well be that the case simply stands for the necessity for great judicial restraint. 180 Once it is admitted or determined that the taking is for a public use and is within the granted authority, the necessity or expediency of the particular taking is exclusively in the legislature or the body to which the legislature has delegated the decision, and is not subject to judicial review. 181

You do understand that a lot has to happen to justify the use of eminent domain to force someone to take compensation for their property do you not ? Look at what must happen before the person is forced to take compensation for their property.
 
What a joke. Local, state or federal and no matter who's in charge, I'll never trust goverment with this kind of power.


Solid Lifters
I can just see it now. Neighborhoods being torn down so a shopping mall can have proper parking spaces. Nice. But it's not as cut and dry as that. I smell a bigger stink looming.

What happens when a Senator, or other high-raking governmnet official, wants land near a neighborhood to call his or her own? He can now come in a say, "Beat it, chump!" I bet he'll call it a move that's "In the citizens best interest." Owning land has now becoming a very risky business venture in America. ******* bastards.

There's a gun club that has been fighting to stay open in a city near where I live. It's been there for decades. Now, a home developer wants the land to put up houses. It's a plot of land seated at the foothills of the local mountain range. Very expensive real estate these days. With this new law, the developer could just swoop in and take the outdoor gun rage, because, "It's in the citizens best interest to have homes, and not a gun range." I'm really getting pist off at America right now.
It might come to that! :D
 
CNN
New London officials countered that the private development plans served a public purpose of boosting economic growth that outweighed the homeowners' property rights, even if the area wasn't blighted.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.

The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.

"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random," O'Connor wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Pleased to meet you
Hope you got my name
Taking away your land
Is the nature of my game.

Is it official? We're all ****ed?

Will poor Joe Citizen be sent to a Reservation with his Sacred Land to be used as another Temple of the Almighty Dollar? High Priests of Capitalism have gone too far, but since they seem to make proper Sacrifices to the Gods, nobody questions their authority until it's too late.

Or maybe I should go back to bed, and pretend this is just a bad dream. Before the bulldozers level my playing field.
 
And this is the challenge with our republic. Sometimes, the needs of the few(or the ones with cash) outweigh the needs of the few(or ones WITHOUT cash) : :irked: :confused:
 
Its not something new . Eminent domain issues always come up in cities looking to expand or redevelope land . in this particular case the argument before the court was wether they had the right to claim eminent domain over economic issues in a non - blighted area.
Do you understand what eminent domain is or how it works ?

This is an expansion of the eminent domain clause to include taking the land and giving it to other private organizations, where previously the land had to remain public.

I don't think the supreme court understands what eminent domain is or how it works.
 

Nor do they understand the interstate commerce clause. Nor do they seem to understand the constitution.

I feel for Justice Thomas, always sticking up for what's right in spite of so many other morons on the bench.
 
So Mr Swift ..I see PROPERTY rights are important to you but ...How about ones right over their own BODY ? Their house is more important ?
 
ledhed
So Mr Swift ..I see PROPERTY rights are important to you but ...How about ones right over their own BODY ? Their house is more important ?

Yeah, you like to just go flying of topic huh? Abortion as you have all put it is exponentially more complex then this situation here.

Taking away someone's land for pure reasons of profit and greed is different from restraining one's self from having sex therefore eliminating the need for abortion.
 
Taking away someone's land for pure reasons of profit and greed is different from restraining one's self from having sex therefore eliminating the need for abortion.

As we have discussed in the abortion thread, there is no reason to restrain one's self from having sex if one does not believe abortion is wrong - which is the real argument.
 
So I wonder how this subject relects on the choosing of new judges for the court . To me this is a bad decision but is it a CONSERVATIVE one ? A RIGHT wing one ? It sucks to give local government the rights to take property under these conditions but I wonder how you would go about choosing judges that would have been on the dissenting side in this case .
 
danoff
As we have discussed in the abortion thread, there is no reason to restrain one's self from having sex if one does not believe abortion is wrong - which is the real argument.

And one for the abortion thread

Lehead, I concur.
 
So I wonder how this subject relects on the choosing of new judges for the court . To me this is a bad decision but is it a CONSERVATIVE one ? A RIGHT wing one ? It sucks to give local government the rights to take property under these conditions but I wonder how you would go about choosing judges that would have been on the dissenting side in this case .

Pick a libertarian judge.

This is not a conservative or liberal issue, this is a constitutional issue - an issue of whether you're the type of judge who feels free to reinvent the constitution and expand the power of government, or you believe (like justice Thomas) that the constitution the legitimizing basis of government.

Sucks to be in the states.
!Canada!
Land of the free and the beavers.

[sarcasm] Ah yes, you can be certain that you're safe from this type of nonsense in Canada. [/sarcasm]
 
It truly seems to stretch the intent of the 5th amendment...for Walmarts ? Mini malls ? WTF are they thinking ?
 
ledhed
It truly seems to stretch the intent of the 5th amendment...for Walmarts ? Mini malls ? WTF are they thinking ?

Exactly! If the gov't needs a new road or something they can acutally justify, maybe, after the ability to appeal it. But dang, the local gov't is getting kickbacks for a new walmart so they kick some people out of their home. Yeah, really fair.
 
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