Tahiti rally tips

[GT3 newbie]

Hey guys, Im trying to win all rallys to get he escudo, I've won 5 series and have 5 left, most are the tahiti ones, Im using a 430bhp evo and the opponent keeps right behind me, how do I counter the turns, I have put TCS to 7 to counter the spinouts but no matter how tight I take the turns the opponent always keep close behind and soon passes me. Im guessing I know most of the techniques as I've already finished half the rallies.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Hmm. Well make sure you've got (again) a car that accepts aerodynamic settings, like any rally car (like the Ford Focus RC) should. I can't tell if the Evo you're driving is a rally car or an ordinary tweaked-up passenger car from the dealer's lot, but that's where the problem lies I bet.

I would avoid TCS and ASC...keep that stuff on zero. Instead, try tuning the limited-slip so that the front-end has medium-high initial settings and a highish Accel setting. It's been awhile since I've rallied in GT3, so do some online research here at GTP to find more details on LSD settings. With good LSD settings, you will find you can get many cars completely sideways and still pull out of corners without any spins. 👍

...and lots of practice! Tahiti Maze requires a LOT of practice to learn how to brake & coast into all those hairpins. My biggest prob with this track was memorizing it. Sometimes, I would forget where I was, and blow the next corner because I was about to make a right when it's really a left!

 

[GT3 newbie]

Im using the lancer rally car, not the prototype, the normal one, I'll try those settings, and I'll try my focus rally car

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I think the Lancer Rally Car should be able to do it...but I'm not entirely positive. Man I wish more people posted here nowadays

My guess is that the TCS is interfereing. TCS helps you not to spin, but it also slows you down. Try turning TCS off, and then maxing the front-end limited-slip settings (putting the initial setting near 50, and Accel near max), or using the Yaw device and giving it a strong setting. I forget if the Lancer rally car has a Yaw & limited slip installed automatically or not. You may have to buy one or the other. Again, I would research some older posts at GTP to find better advice on settings than I can give at the moment.

Even with good settings, any car (rally car or not) will be prone to spins if you enter corners too hot. So to some extent, it also depends heavily on your driving.

 

[GT3 newbie]

OH, whooops!

I think the Lancer Rally Car should be able to do it...but i'm not entirely positive. Man i wish more people posted here nowadays

My guess is that the TCS is interfereing. TCS helps you not to spin, but it also slows you down. Try turning TCS off, and then maxing the front-end limited-slip settings (putting the initial setting near 50, and Accel near max), or using the Yaw device and giving it a strong setting. I forget if the Lancer rally car has a Yaw & limited slip installed automatically or not. You may have to buy one or the other.

What category do you buy it from, I've got plenty of money, 350,000 from all the rallies

 

[Parnelli Bone]

What category do you buy it from, I've got plenty of money, 350,000 from all the rallies

I don't remember if you buy the Focus or win it as a prize. Anyways, forget about the Focus for now. I believe the Lancer should do it...i was assuming you were driving an "ordinary" Lancer rather than a RC version.

I'll do a search in a minute to find some info...

 

[GT3 newbie]

I've already won the focus I was asking where to buy the yaw from

 

[Parnelli Bone]

OH I see. Yaw can only be installed on Mitsubishis. And if your Evo doesn't have it installed yet, yeah, you'd have to buy it from the parts shop...

Surprisingly, my search didn't help much. I couldn't find anything on Tahiti Maze & settings. Maybe I should try limited-slip rally settings.

BRB

 

[GT3 newbie]

Ok, its in that last category right, where the weight reductions etc are ?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Ok, its in that last category right, where the weight reductions etc are ?

I would assume yes. As I said, it's been awhile since I played GT3.

I'm not getting much helpful info by searching. Where are all the GT3 pros when you need 'em?

 

[GT3 newbie]

I would assume yes. As i said, it's been awhile since i played GT3.

I'm not getting much helpful info by searching. Where are all the GT3 pros when you need 'em?

Hey no probs, relax, I'll try the settings tomorrow, cya 4 now

 

[GT3 newbie]

I tried to install the yaw in my 4 rally cars but no go, I dont think you can install yaw on any of the rally cars.

I guess I'll have to practice the track and learn it for myself.

 

[breakpoint]

I've already won the focus I was asking where to buy the yaw from

I've found that using the yaw (at least for me) actually makes the car not handle as well. With rally its all about the LSD and the suspension. Since you have a preset rally car theres really no need to mess with the suspension set up. I always had my LSD set to around 60/40 setup.

OH, whooops!

I think the Lancer Rally Car should be able to do it...but i'm not entirely positive. Man i wish more people posted here nowadays

My guess is that the TCS is interfereing. TCS helps you not to spin, but it also slows you down. Try turning TCS off, and then maxing the front-end limited-slip settings (putting the initial setting near 50, and Accel near max), or using the Yaw device and giving it a strong setting. I forget if the Lancer rally car has a Yaw & limited slip installed automatically or not. You may have to buy one or the other. Again, i would research some older posts at GTP to find better advice on settings than i can give at the moment.

Even with good settings, any car (rally car or not) will be prone to spins if you enter corners too hot. So to some extent, it also depends heavily on your driving.

The lancer should be able to do it fine. Like P said, im guessing that its the TCS and driving skill. Turn off those aids, you might think its horrible at first but after a week or so you will be a much better driver:tup: In the rally races the TCS really does slow you down. As you come into the corner you want to just gently drift a little through it most of the time and with the TCS on your car will just start to bog because it is trying to keep your tires from slipping. But if you have the LSD setup you won't spin out so theres no need to stop those tires from go, go, going! I usually just come in a little wide and sweep down into it with a gentle drifting motion. Everyone has different styles so just see what works best for you:tup: Also the Focus rally car is one of my favorites, good car, very nimble.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I've found that using the yaw (at least for me) actually makes the car not handle as well. With rally its all about the LSD and the suspension. Since you have a preset rally car theres really no need to mess with the suspension set up. I always had my LSD set to around 60/40 setup.




The lancer should be able to do it fine. Like P said, im guessing that its the TCS and driving skill. Turn off those aids, you might think its horrible at first but after a week or so you will be a much better driver:tup: In the rally races the TCS really does slow you down. As you come into the corner you want to just gently drift a little through it most of the time and with the TCS on your car will just start to bog because it is trying to keep your tires from slipping. But if you have the LSD setup you won't spin out so theres no need to stop those tires from go, go, going! I usually just come in a little wide and sweep down into it with a gentle drifting motion. Everyone has different styles so just see what works best for you:tup: Also the Focus rally car is one of my favorites, good car, very nimble.

Thank you. 👍

I seem to remember using one of the Mitsubishi Evos for the Tahiti Maze rallies; and also the Ford Focus. I know I did most of the rallies in GT3 at least twice. I remember using LSD heavily in rallies in both cars; but have no memory of using yaw. I know in GT2, yaw barely has an effect on some cars..you're much safer learning the limited-slips.

 

[breakpoint]

Thank you. 👍

I seem to remember using one of hte Mitsubishi Evos for the Tahiti Maze rallies; and also the Ford Focus. I know i did most of the rallies in gT3 at least twice. I remember using LSD heavily in ralies in both cars; but have no memory of using yaw. I know in gT2, yaw barely has an effect on some cars..you're much safer learning the limited-slips.

Yeah, the YAW deal on even GT3 was just a joke. I guess if you have any more questions GT3newb (soon to be master) just give us a shout and we will help out. P and i are the only ones for the most part that still show mad love for GT3 and we both know what we are talking about. Not trying to sound big headed but we do. If nothing else newb, check out P's link to his GT3 car guide and such he has, Its full of valuable info for you to check out. And when i say full, im really mean FULL. Its almost like a chilton manual for the cars in the game...lol. And he's a good mate and will help you out as long as you don't just up and vanish on us.

 

[KAMKA-Z]

If I'm not mistaken, TCS and ASM are "Off" for rallys. Notice on your dashboard, that neither "LightUp".
I recall trying to use the FTO for rallies and being able to do little about the wheelspin at startup.

I struggled with Tahiti Maze myself for quite a long time. It kept me awake at night. It destroyed my Win Ratio. I finally found some settings at GT Vault for the Celica Rally Car that finally notched that win. I must admit that I didn't know squat about GT3 tuning then.

http://www.gtvault.com/gt3/setup-view/s_sid::1169/Toyota-Celica-Rally-Car/

I think it was the diff settings that made the difference. That and practice.

I have learned to love Tahiti Maze. I'm fairly confident I could beat it in Any of the "Rally Cars". I recently set up the Clio Cup Race Car to beat Tahiti Maze Hard in both directions. It was a hoot. I've started a write-up with youtube video, but haven't finished it.

I have never even tried messing with Yaw Control yet.

Winning the Escudo is kinda cool. Ownership is a dissapointment. It's way overrated.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

If I'm not mistaken, TCS and ASM are "Off" for rallys. Notice on your dashboard, that neither "LightUp".
I recall trying to use the FTO for rallies and being able to do little about the wheelspin at startup.

They are off for the license tests. But you can use them during actual races.

I struggled with Tahiti Maze myself for quite a long time. It kept me awake at night. It destroyed my Win Ratio. I finally found some settings at GT Vault for the Celica Rally Car that finally notched that win.

http://www.gtvault.com/gt3/setup-view/s_sid::1169/Toyota-Celica-Rally-Car/

I think it was the diff settings that made the difference. That and practice.

I have learned to love Tahiti Maze. I recently set up the Clio Cup Race Car to beat Tahiti Maze Hard in both directions. It was a hoot. I've started a write-up with youtube video, but haven't finished it.

I feared Tahiti Maze when I encountered it in GT2 big-time, but learned to dig it. 👍

I have never even tried messing with Yaw Control yet.

Winning the Escudo is kinda cool. Ownership is a dissapointment. It's way overrated.

yeah, I don't understand the fascination with Excuse-os..I'm not much of a cheater as we all know. But whatever. Rock on.

 

[KAMKA-Z]

Driving tip: The corners before long straights, nail 'em perfectly to carry the most speed out of them. (actually that advice applies anywhere in the game but makes lots of difference here)

 

[breakpoint]

They are off for the license tests. But you can use them during actual races.



I feared Tahiti Maze when i encountered it in gT2 big-time, but learned to dig it. 👍



yeah, i don't understand the facination with Excuse-o's..i'm not much of a cheater as we all know.

I agree wit P again. The excuse-o's not only do fit well with the others, but they handle like a 2X6. You can get as sideways you want pretty much that is and it will never spin. This is the only car in rally that i set the TCS to 6-13 for. If you like the rally i would really like it. Its really short wheelbase makes the car handle strange.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I agree wit P again. The excuse-o's not only do fit well with the others, but they handle like a 2X6. You can get as sideways you want pretty much that is and it will never spin. This is the only car in rally that i set the TCS to 6-13 for. If you like the rally i would really like it. Its really short wheelbase makes the car handle strange.

From what I understand, the Excuseo in GT3 understeers a lot more than the one in GT2, making it not quite the ideal cheat machine like it was in 2. I personally only drove an Escudo in GT2 to finish up the Pike's Peak Uphill (against another Escudo) simply because I couldn't find a more adequate car to beat the beast.

...so that was it...2 million credits down the tubes just so I could finish a couple races in GT2!

 

[GT3 newbie]

Thx parnelli and breakpoint, yes the TCS and ASM where off for rallying, I finished the rally races and won the escudo. I used the rally car prototype for tahiti, it was more prone to spinouts but was more responsive at the corners, I also developed a small strategy for the course.

Thx to everyone, I maxed out the escudo and ran the SS enduro, and hour of sitting in front of the game for a pink clio race car

 

[Der Alta]

As a furhter update to this, the Rally Races were the most hated of all the races that I had to do in GT3. The opponent is given a radical power boost if he's behind you. You'll notice that with marginally powered cars, the opp. will be a few seconds behind. With vastly overpowered cars, he's still a few seconds behind you.

I can remember one particular race that I did, where the Opp. got stuck on a corner and spun. It took him about a 1/2 lap to pull himself out, and within another 1/2 lap he was back on my tail.

It has been a well documented fact that the trailing AI is given a significant boost to give you competition on the rally races.

Yes, the AI cheats heavily in these races.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

As a furhter update to this, the Rally Races were the most hated of all the races that I had to do in GT3. The opponent is given a radical power boost if he's behind you. You'll notice that with marginally powered cars, the opp. will be a few seconds behind. With vastly overpowered cars, he's still a few seconds behind you.

I can remember one particular race that I did, where the Opp. got stuck on a corner and spun. It took him about a 1/2 lap to pull himself out, and within another 1/2 lap he was back on my tail.

It has been a well documented fact that the trailing AI is given a significant boost to give you competition on the rally races.

Yes, the AI cheats heavily in these races.

Interesting. Some races like the Sunday Cup in GT2 are like this...if you enter a super-slow car, the Ai "waits" for you, but if you enter one moderately faster (like an Infini III Rx7) it drives harder, as if the class of drivers has been chosen to be better.

But for the GT3 rallies, I wouldn't necessarily call it "cheating". If anything, it seems the Ai always has a chance to drive as hard as it can, but as it encounters you in front of it (taking up optimum corner-paths) it becomes more cautious, and waits for the right moment to get by you (or ram you!)

 

[breakpoint]

There was a certain sense of "cheating" in it. I remember telling a friend one day when we were playing some original NES games that this thing cheats so much and so well that im taking it to vegas!

 

[KAMKA-Z]

As a furhter update to this, the Rally Races were the most hated of all the races that I had to do in GT3. The opponent is given a radical power boost if he's behind you. You'll notice that with marginally powered cars, the opp. will be a few seconds behind. With vastly overpowered cars, he's still a few seconds behind you.

I can remember one particular race that I did, where the Opp. got stuck on a corner and spun. It took him about a 1/2 lap to pull himself out, and within another 1/2 lap he was back on my tail.

It has been a well documented fact that the trailing AI is given a significant boost to give you competition on the rally races.

Yes, the AI cheats heavily in these races.

I noticed especially in the rallies, and also in several series that I would run a race and barely get beat by the AI competitor, when I returned with more power the AI had "upped the ante" too. I think the Clio cup was that way.

 

[Der Alta]

But for the GT3 rallies, I wouldn't necessarily call it "cheating". If anything, it seems the Ai always has a chance to drive as hard as it can, but as it encounters you in front of it (taking up optimum corner-paths) it becomes more cautious, and waits for the right moment to get by you (or ram you!)

Except that when you wipe out the AI, they are back on you in a disproportionate amount of time.

Hitting the "Way back then" button, here's one thread I started. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9738

and another from someone else:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=7293

and another of my threads:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9394

Cautious? Nope.
Cheating? Yep.

 

[Mr P]

I was checking out this thread yesterday and thought I would dig out some of my old rally replays and load up a video! unfortunately most of my GT3 stuff is gone apart from a few attachments I still have on GTP and then a few of those were NTSC and I don't have the NTSC game anymore lol

anyway after digging around I managed to find an old PAL replay at the Maze in the Focus and converted and uploaded just to show how I negotiated the tight turns on this sweet track 👍 Youtube has been messing around so I uploaded at Vimeo instead, Hopefully it will help the OP with lines etc ..

>>>Video here<<<

I actually have a 2 lap race replay in the focus at the Maze against the AI but no way to video it as it's NTSC will post the maxfile if it's something you would like to check out first hand 👍 ... Good luck with the tests!
Cheers
Ron.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

You guys are right. There is no ASM or TCS in GT3 rallies. I just went back and checked.

 

[KAMKA-Z]

anyway after digging around I managed to find an old PAL replay at the Maze in the Focus and converted and uploaded just to show how I negotiated the tight turns on this sweet track 👍 Youtube has been messing around so I uploaded at Vimeo instead, Hopefully it will help the OP with lines etc ..

That was smoother than I could imagine being possible. 👍 I like to think I'm pretty good at the maze but that was something else.

 

[Mr P]

That was smoother than I could imagine being possible. 👍 I like to think I'm pretty good at the maze but that was something else.

Cheers mate! I like to think it was one of my better rally events
Thanks for the kind comment. I only wish I still had the NTSC game available and I could have made the replay of my 1'53.8 laptime instead running the same combo, which is still the arcade record for the maze to the best of my knowledge .. ah well as long as this one shows the best way to take the tight turns its all good
Thanks again!
Ron.