The AI Have Improved Little Since Gran Turismo 1

[BarbarianGoth]

Yup, since Gran Turismo 1, 20 years ago, the AI feel largely the same. I've played GT1 quite heavily over the last week or so, and the AI feel about the same as in GT Sport.
In Gran Turismo 6, the AI were programmed to be slow and let you catch up. So in GT Sport, people think the AI is much better, but they are not. They are only FASTER. They are programmed to have more PACE.

In GT1, some of the Special Events are really challenging, the AI is really fast. The Tuned and Normal Special Event come to mind.
But they are programmed to follow their racing line. They will ram into you.
Sound familiar anyone?

At least in GT1 the AI makes mistakes. The go off the track, they spin out, etc. In GT Sport they are programmed to follow their racing line like zombies, on top of ramming into you. Similar to GT6, only faster.

I would go as far to say GT1's AI is superior to GT Sport's. And GT6's of course.
GT Sport's and GT6's AI are about the same, except GT Sport's is programmed to have more pace on the Professional Difficulty.
They still have zero awareness of the player or their surroundings.
This doesn't make arcade mode nearly as much fun. Since they gutted the whole car collection aspect, the tuning and car upgrading, and there are such few cars and tracks to choose from, it's all about the racing now. But the AI ruin it in single player.

Driving by yourself in time trial for extend periods of time is boring.
And I don't always want to play against tryhards in Sport Mode. Sometimes I want to relax and have a good race with the AI.
In terms of SR, the AI have a rating of about an E. Maybe a D at the most.

 

[Skygrasper550]

Please tell me you're joking or trolling. Because I've been racing against AI lately on a Custom Race in Sardegna and Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop, two of the narrowest courses in GT Sport. In Sardegna, with me using an N300 WRX Sti against the Audi Quattro Pikes Peak version, every time I'm in front and there's not enough space for a clean overtake the AI actually slows down behind me and attempts to avoid ramming into my car. I get small bumps here and there (maybe because their reaction time is not fast enough) but the taps are not enough to make me yell "stupid AI!!" The same goes for me using my 911 GT3 RS against the BMW M6 GT3 in Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop. The GT3 RS' brakes are obviously weaker than the M6 GT3's, and every time I'm in front and approach a corner that requires hard braking, while blocking the racing line, the M6 actually adjusts its braking to avoid hitting me. I was actually surprised at how massively improved the AI has in GT Sport compared to GT6. Still needs work, but it's definitely a lot better.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

Please tell me you're joking or trolling. Because I've been racing against AI lately on a Custom Race in Sardegna and Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop, two of the narrowest courses in GT Sport. In Sardegna, with me using an N300 WRX Sti against the Audi Quattro Pikes Peak version, every time I'm in front and there's not enough space for a clean overtake the AI actually slows down behind me and attempts to avoid ramming into my car. I get small bumps here and there (maybe because their reaction time is not fast enough) but the taps are not enough to make me yell "stupid AI!!" The same goes for me using my 911 GT3 RS against the BMW M6 GT3 in Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop. The GT3 RS' brakes are obviously weaker than the M6 GT3's, and every time I'm in front and approach a corner that requires hard braking, while blocking the racing line, the M6 actually adjusts its braking to avoid hitting me. I was actually surprised at how massively improved the AI has in GT Sport compared to GT6. Still needs work, but it's definitely a lot better.

I am not joking or trolling. Shame on you for suggesting I am. I explained thoroughly in my post. They have more PACE than GT6. Their awareness and intelligence as not been improved at all. I get rammed hard all the time from the back.
Perhaps we're playing different games?
Because the AI slows down for a corner and doesn't ram you, doesn't mean they are avoiding you. The AI in some corners are CONSIDERABLY SLOWER than the average human.

 

[ghostrider135]

Please tell me you're joking or trolling. Snip... every time I'm in front and there's not enough space for a clean overtake the AI actually slows down behind me and attempts to avoid ramming into my car. I get small bumps here and there (maybe because their reaction time is not fast enough)

You'd think given the AI is working thanks to a CPU the reaction time might theoretically be faster than a human, No buttons to press for example, You see a braking marker your brain needs to process that you need to do something, Your brain then sends signals that you need move whichever finger/leg to move and assert a specific amount of force, Something which your brain also needs to calculate etc etc.

Unless my brain works slower than normal, Which is a possibility.

 

[andrewhake]

Oh please....

 

[RotorHed]

Yup, since Gran Turismo 1, 20 years ago, the AI feel largely the same. I've played GT1 quite heavily over the last week or so, and the AI feel about the same as in GT Sport.
In Gran Turismo 6, the AI were programmed to be slow and let you catch up. So in GT Sport, people think the AI is much better, but they are not. They are only FASTER. They are programmed to have more PACE.

In GT1, some of the Special Events are really challenging, the AI is really fast. The Tuned and Normal Special Event come to mind.
But they are programmed to follow their racing line. They will ram into you.
Sound familiar anyone?

At least in GT1 the AI makes mistakes. The go off the track, they spin out, etc. In GT Sport they are programmed to follow their racing line like zombies, on top of ramming into you. Similar to GT6, only faster.

I would go as far to say GT1's AI is superior to GT Sport's. And GT6's of course.
GT Sport's and GT6's AI are about the same, except GT Sport's is programmed to have more pace on the Professional Difficulty.
They still have zero awareness of the player or their surroundings.
This doesn't make arcade mode nearly as much fun. Since they gutted the whole car collection aspect, the tuning and car upgrading, and there are such few cars and tracks to choose from, it's all about the racing now. But the AI ruin it in single player.

Driving by yourself in time trial for extend periods of time is boring.
And I don't always want to play against tryhards in Sport Mode. Sometimes I want to relax and have a good race with the AI.
In terms of SR, the AI have a rating of about an E. Maybe a D at the most.

Hehe. Man this post is so wrong I've got to wonder if you're really serious.

Anyway, if you think the AI is bad in GTS, just try playing a few online races and see what real "intelligence" drives like lol.

 

[dylpro]

If only there were a way to race against better, more aware competition. Perhaps some sort of system that matches you with other people of similar skill level rather than artificially created drivers that are programmed to react in certain ways and drive to a set skill. A sort of competition in which you could pit your skills against others who have deemed these "AI" drivers below them. Alas this is but a pipe dream.

 

[Vspectra]

At least in GT1 the AI makes mistakes. The go off the track, they spin out, etc. In GT Sport they are programmed to follow their racing line like zombies, on top of ramming into you. Similar to GT6, only faster.

I would go as far to say GT1's AI is superior to GT Sport's. And GT6's of course.
GT Sport's and GT6's AI are about the same, except GT Sport's is programmed to have more pace on the Professional Difficulty.
They still have zero awareness of the player or their surroundings.

This is false.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

Hehe. Man this post is so wrong I've got to wonder if you're really serious.

Anyway, if you think the AI is bad in GTS, just try playing a few online races and see what real "intelligence" drives like lol.

I've played about 100 online races. Hehe got to wonder if you're really serious throwing some comment like that "wonder if you're really serious".

This is false.

Prove evidence to the contrary. Go and play GT1, GT6 for at least a few hours each and then come back.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I've seen AI spin out and go off track numerous times all on their own. Never been rammed unless I made a wrong move otherwise they try to avoid. I see these comments on the AI and don't know if it's GTS or GT4, which I think has the most strict of follow-the-line AI, being talked about. Unlucky experiences?

 

[Vspectra]

Prove evidence to the contrary. Go and play GT1, GT6 for at least a few hours each and then come back.

I already have extensive plays in all the games. Give proof GTS AI isn't capable of mistakes and only follow one racing line. I've encountered them spinning out as well as avoiding my car and other AI cars on several occasions in addition to adjusting to various racing lines.

 

[CHEN255]

The ai in GTS is superb. I can race door handle to door handle with few worries, I have had them come back at me on the outside of a corner when I’ve made a pass, they race each other and yes, they certainly do make mistakes. Had one spin out at Maggiore in that right hander after the long downhill portion of the track. It was memorable because I was still at the downhill sector so looked down on them as they spun with copious amounts of tire smoke accompanying the spin.

 

[Method36]

GTS AI is certainly not a clone of the GT1 algorithm, or any series thereafter. There are things computers can do faster (like data aggregation) and things humans can do faster (like risk assessment). With current processing power the racing AI is no more than a set of basic decision parameters, baked in with variables to simulate error which also include a limited variance to their ideal execution targets. To say that the opponents' programming in GTS is not accounting for any additonal amount of factors, as compared previous entries, is incorrect.

 

[giallofly]

The AI in GT Sport is a huge improvement over it's predecessors i have found it to be at times both opportunistic and dynamic they will capitalize on your mistakes and make their own.They often spin out especially at the carousel on the Nordschleife. They also used to engage in deliberate pit manoeuvres but since the last update they seem a bit less vindictive.To get the most out of the AI it is important to remember to select CUSTOM RACE not QUICK RACE this way you can choose the class of AI you want to race against for example if you are driving an n500 class car and you choose n700 opponents the grid will be almost unchanged but the AI will be far more challenging.

 

[Obsidian-2]

I feel like the AI in GTS are faster than GT5 & 6 ... however, they still suck. Same old story, one rabbit car to beat, they slow down way too much in the corners, etc. These AI will fight back though, and they are freakin' dirty.

 

[Skygrasper550]

I am not joking or trolling. Shame on you for suggesting I am. I explained thoroughly in my post. They have more PACE than GT6. Their awareness and intelligence as not been improved at all. I get rammed hard all the time from the back.
Perhaps we're playing different games?
Because the AI slows down for a corner and doesn't ram you, doesn't mean they are avoiding you. The AI in some corners are CONSIDERABLY SLOWER than the average human.

And shame on you for suggesting that we're playing different games. Here's a quick video I threw together to demonstrate the AI in the game. 3 laps, 1v1.

First lap is what I'd call the "control". I'm simply following the AI closely around the track, so that I can examine its racing line and braking points.

Second lap, I overtook the AI in order to test if it will adjust its racing line and braking points. Surely and clearly enough, it tries to manuever in a way that it would attempt to overtake me, most of the time by positioning into the inside line. I did get a slight bump in Sector 3, but that clearly shows the AI adjusting to the player's presence by braking into that right hander earlier than usual. If it were the GT6 AI the M6 would have stayed the course, literally slamming onto my rear end not giving a damn, and only then would it hit the brakes. Also in Sector 3, you can see the AI hitting the inside wall after the tunnel, clearly making a mistake because it adjusted its racing line due to my presence. At Sector 4, you can clearly see the AI setting up for an overtake by driving on the inside line. I tried blocking it, and sure enough again, it adjusted its braking point because I was in the way.

Third lap, I wanted to test the AI further by being a complete douche and deliberately driving at a slower pace. For some reason in Sector 1, the AI slows down a lot on the corner leading to the tunnel, only when you are in front. I let it catch up so I could conduct my test. I started setting a slow pace after the tunnel exit in Sector 3, and you can see the AI being careful with the throttle so as not to hit me, and also because it couldn't overtake me. I kept this slow pace until the very last corner of the track, and what happened at that last corner surprised me as 🤬. Because I was driving slow and hugging the inside, the AI decided to drive on the outside line to pass me. The words "oh 🤬" immediately came out of my mouth and that was enough to make me floor it and finish the race with a win.

In conclusion, this video debunks your claim of the AI being "zombies" and having "zero awareness of the player on their surroundings".

 

[kups420]

Lol

 

[cleanLX]

Made a custom race last night (3hrs at Nurb, no boost, real, all aids off, rolling start, fuel use and tire wear on) with the 991RS(n500) and lined up in last place on the grid of 20 n700cars set to professional.
Was a pleasure racing with the AI. When they made a mistake I would jump at the opportunity, and they did not slam into me correcting themselves back to the racing line, rather left "some" room on account of me being there... I got bumped a couple times, but, was foreseeable, and I bumped them a couple times... oops, sorry. Never hard enough for them or I to crash. They raced each other clean, and at times 3 wide! I'd hang back in fear and watch that silliness... never once got the pit maneuver.
Prior GTS, they would have never raced 3 wide, I'd have been slammed every time I went up the inside/outside, and would have been run over/pitted on several occasions.
Oh, got the win and ~$700,000 some odd.

 

[Deadheadbill]

I've seen a few people post how the AI is deficient. I'd like to see the video of them beating the AI on the Brands Hatch 2 lap arcade race at professional level. WITHOUT, pushing the AI cars around, punting them off track, etc in other words racing them as you would in Sport mode. Only then will I concede that the AI is bad in this game.

I spent a couple hours yesterday doing exactly this and many times I saw AI spinning out, running off track and bumping each other when I was nowhere near them.

 

[CConspicuous]

Disagree very strongly with the OP, the AI is brilliant if you respect it the same way you'd respect other racers in real life and they very clearly know you're there, if you try to brake-check them, it won't work.

They do all of the nuances of racecraft;

• Block you or veer in-and-out to deter you from passing
• Give you just enough space for one car
• Use lapped traffic to try box you in
• Will try get even if you ram them
• Adjust their lines to try get out of aero-wake while following you
• Make attempts to fight it out and stay alongside you through turns
• On the rare occasion: dive down your inside and park the bus on the apex

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Say NO to AI abuse!

 

[Vspectra]

All AI cars from my car's point of view

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

haha... can we end this discussion now?

 

[BarbarianGoth]

haha... can we end this discussion now?

I lol at most of these responses and the blind loyalty for this game. Not just this thread but every other thread.

lol what cracks me up is those saying this game has amazing AI.
Videos showing player driving at super slow speed or stopped and AI avoiding him. They will do that in GT5 and GT6 too. And most games in the past twenty years.
Go into a race, and race at proper race speeds,and have the AI ram you from behind going into a corner. Happens to me countless times.

Haha. I'm done with GT Sport. Putting aside the poor AI, this shell of a GT game has nothing to offer that the competition can't do better.

Have fun with this shell of a game boys. Clearly you have unconditional love for it.
Sony and Kaz love you <3

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I lol at most of these responses.
Specially this game having amazing AI.
Videos showing player driving at super slow speed or stopped and AI avoiding him. They will do that in GT5 and GT6 too. And most games in the past twenty years.
Go into a race, and race at proper race speeds,and have the AI ram you from behind going into a corner.
Haha. I'm done with GT Sport.
Have fun with this shell of a game boys.

All you have are little 12 pt fonts to express your opinion while everyone else are hucking pounds and pounds of video footage down your throat. All you do is dismiss and you have yet to show any evidence of your own. I haven't made any statement, I've only laughed at how incomplete your argument is and how hilarious the responses have been.

i'm all ears.

but so far this argument is hilarious.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

All you have are little 12 pt fonts to express your opinion while everyone else are hucking pounds and pounds of video footage down your throat. All you do is dismiss and you have yet to show any evidence of your own. I haven't made any statement, I've only laughed at how incomplete your argument is and how hilarious the responses have been.

i'm all ears.

but so far this argument is hilarious.

lol that was fast. Was still editing my post and you jumped right here to post as quick as possible hehe.

I could make videos demonstrating the crappy AI compared to other games or how little has changed. Wasting hours to prove a point for nothing.
I'm happy with my 12 point font.
Have fun with this shell of a game.
Sony and Kaz love you <3

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

lol that was fast. Was still editing my post and you jumped right here to post as quick as possible hehe.

I could make videos demonstrating the crappy AI compared to other games or how little has changed. Wasting hours to prove a point for nothing.
I'm happy with my 12 point font.
Have fun with this shell of a game.
Sony and Kaz love you <3

wow.. you went emotional faster than i expected.

i was hoping to get some funny video footage out of you showing how bad GTsport AI is. zzzzzzzzz. way to drag this thread down. like i said, i'm all ears.

 

[Griffith500]

I like how they move to cover the inside line if you are gaining on them towards a corner. Then I laugh as they out-brake themselves and I slip straight through

They still do not properly capitalise on the space available on the track and will seemingly rather sacrifice any speed advantage than dodge around you if they're gaining on you. They also still occasionally let you through if you draw level with them, even if there's space for them to drag race you to the next corner.

It's almost as if their priority is not interfering with you, rather than maintaining track position and pace. It's an improvement over previous games, though, for sure.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I like how they move to cover the inside line if you are gaining on them towards a corner. Then I laugh as they out-brake themselves and I slip straight through

I love doing this to them it's so funny. Extra points when they keep it together but you fly around the outside.

 

[Famine]

I could make videos demonstrating the crappy AI compared to other games or how little has changed.

Crack on then. It's your claim after all, and if it's something you've witnessed it'd be easy to show.

My experience is similar to everyone who has disagreed with you. GT Sport's AI seems more I than A compared to before. You can certainly still game them into stupidity, but in normal situations at racing speeds they will now commonly defend an inside line, or change lines to pass or avoid others. And they move off line on straights (and indicate this) when being lapped.

They're better than any AI in any previous GT game. Including GT1, where I once won a race by putting all five AI cars head on into a wall where they were stuck for the rest of the race.