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Thoughts and opinions on the worthiness of Brazil to hold a world cup despite the situation with corruption ,poverty and street kid murders?
The Brazilian World cup
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BobK
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Shouldn't this go in the Sports Forum?
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No it shouldn't. This is on the political issues not the sport aspect.
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- HamiltonMP427
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- jimipitbull
FIFA is not really a selection party, more so it's about who gives the best presents and/or bribes.
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- Johnnypenso
I'm Canadian, I love hockey and think it's the greatest game in the world, but I've never been in favour of using public money to fund professional sports. When my own city of Windsor decided to fork over $60Million+ for a new Junior hockey arena I was one of the lone voices in the city against it. Now the main bowl sits empty most days when there is no Junior hockey and we probably lose $Millions per year on it. Whatever people are willing to pay to go see something, that's what it's worth and all professional sports facilities should be built by people who think they can make money running the facility with whatever sports and teams they can attract. Smaller, community based facilites for kids and true amateur athletics are a different story of course.
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I love the Brazilian people, but the commercials made me upset a little bit, not because of the commercials per se, but because of the accidents and deaths that occurred to the stadium workers due to the rush to finish in time.
The commercial goes a little like (in portuguese) "We have everything ready. The party halls, the scenery..." blah blah. All I could think of was adding "The 3 dead guys working on the stadiums".
I'm not sure if 2 or 3 people died, but I know for sure 2 did. I heard they were working in unacceptable conditions. Several others were involved in accidents as well.
The murders and poverty are sad, but unfortunately it is and will be the reality for many countries at least in the context of Mexico and South America. To deny the people the joy of the WC because of issues like these doesn't seem right either, but it definitely is something to ponder...
The commercial goes a little like (in portuguese) "We have everything ready. The party halls, the scenery..." blah blah. All I could think of was adding "The 3 dead guys working on the stadiums".
I'm not sure if 2 or 3 people died, but I know for sure 2 did. I heard they were working in unacceptable conditions. Several others were involved in accidents as well.
The murders and poverty are sad, but unfortunately it is and will be the reality for many countries at least in the context of Mexico and South America. To deny the people the joy of the WC because of issues like these doesn't seem right either, but it definitely is something to ponder...
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- jimipitbull
Construction industry in all countries has deaths each year, it's a dangerous industry. I'd like to see ratios for $ value of construction vs number of deaths, for a variety of countries, before making judgement on these particular deaths. I would think it would be very similar across the board, at least with other countries with similar economies.
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My father had a work partner from brazil she moved back there and she said street kids are scum and vermin the police take them into the hills and shoot them. she spoke about this like it was normal almost like pest control.
Dotini
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- CR80_Shifty
In a land of want and poverty, the leaders built a host of multi-million dollar stadiums, some of which were used only 4 times by foreigners before abandonment, leaving the people with ever greater burdens and resentments.
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- TenEightyOne
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Same here, I'm in England. Waste of time and money for something we don't, apparently, do very well at. Fortunately there's been a slow social turn against the tabloids/right wing in general so it's not getting as much coverage here this time.
We should probably make a Team Britain and pool the few talented kicky-people we have.
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- I_Grayson_Fox_I
I thought the brits loved their football.
And the riots that follow when the fans team loses.
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- TenEightyOne
- TenEightyOne
England isn't Britain, dude
But yes.
Interestingly soccer (or association football) is linked as much to violence IN the home as outside;
During England wins domestic violence raises by barely 20%, it's nearly double that when they lose. I only know a couple of people who watch the sport, they're both single though so as long as they don't move in together it'll be okay
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If we merged to make the British national team then we could snatch up Gareth Bale.
It doesn't feel right if we aren't there. Association Football was invented here, a lot of the world's top players are in British clubs, of which several are among the world's finest teams, we have a huge fan base only rivaled by Spain and Brazil, it's just a shame our own players are rubbish!
It doesn't feel right if we aren't there. Association Football was invented here, a lot of the world's top players are in British clubs, of which several are among the world's finest teams, we have a huge fan base only rivaled by Spain and Brazil, it's just a shame our own players are rubbish!
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May I enquire what anti-right wingism has to do with hosting a world cup or sports generally?
Sports facilities are burdens once their purpose or event is over and it is very costly because governments foot the bill; the British government is spending £250 million to help sell the Olympic stadium in London. By contrast, the Don Valley stadium, a multipurpose and multiuse facility in Sheffield, needed "just" £250,000 to cover costs but received no governmental help.
Brazil will almost certainly be left with white elephant stadiums after the world cup. Will their government and businesses invest their temporary cash injections wisely? The cynic in me doubts it.
As for awarding the world cup at all, the next two venues are Russia and Qatar, political hot potatoes for their own reasons. If fraud or corruption is involved, then of course there are grounds to overturn the decision but if everything is above board, should FIFA become partisan and not allocate venues based on political, rather than financial or infrastructial reasons? I'm honestly undecided.
To use a "first world" example, not to sleight other WC venues, but England hosted the World Cup in 1966 at a time when terrorism in Northern Ireland was approaching an all time high. Did FIFA consider the IRA when allocating it to England? Further politically, homosexuality was still a crime, was still illegal, in 1966. Did this or should this have influenced FIFA's decision at the time?
North Korea could theoretically host the world cup. But should it? Nazi Germany did host the Olympics in 1936 and I think fascist Italy hosted a world cup in 1934 too.
Just some food for thought.
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- jimipitbull
Won't these white elephants also be used in the 2016 Olympic games? Remember, both the world cup and olympics bring massive amounts of tourist and sponsorship dollars into the economy.
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I don't think it does have anything to do with it.
If you were referring to my comment about the publicity... IN-GRRR-LAND are generally publicised with naff on-car flags, defaced St George Crosses (apes rite "ENGLAND" on them in case people don;t know what it is) and window posters, all in a spirit of quite unsettling Nationalism.
This time around with the anti-Nationalist sentiment that belatedly overcame England after the UKIP scare they seem to have backed off a bit. Except my local sandwich shop, but only white builders generally go in there.
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- driftking18594
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Rio de Janeiro is hosting the 2016 Games, so I doubt that concrete sauna in Manaus will see much use after the World Cup.
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I was watching a documentary about Brazils infrastructure for the WC. Sao Paulo is building a monorail and the first thing that sprung to my mind was this :
And upon a bit more research, a section collapsed this week, killing one constructor...
And upon a bit more research, a section collapsed this week, killing one constructor...
Carlos
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I saw on CNN or RT yesterday the costs for the gov are already beyond 11 billion dollars. Can't find the article again, maybe you can search yourself, it was pretty interesting. They talked about avoiding taxes (weird enough FIA is non profit (so is NHL, NFL, PGA)), FIFA people acting like royalties, trips to location before the happening + family must be all paid by the gov, police escort, a bit like how the Mafia would want it..
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- jimipitbull
Four Corners (Australia) is covering this tonight 8.30
Not sure if other countries can download the episode or watch on iview, but link is here http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/four-corners/#episode/NC1404H020S00
Not sure if other countries can download the episode or watch on iview, but link is here http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/four-corners/#episode/NC1404H020S00
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The worthiness of a host nation should not be measured by political or humanitarian grounds. Doing so creates inherent contradictions an hypocrisy as any potential host nation has their own issues.
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- TenEightyOne
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^^^ This. I didn't check but I'm pretty sure this discussion has been had innumerable times in various F1 threads at this very forum. If anything countries like Brazil, Bahrain and Whitby may in fact benefit from the world focus.
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Good video with a small overview of how the WC was made
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