The Future of Toyota Body-on-frame vehicles.

[Keef]

Toyota tax is the only reason they're going to get away with selling them for that price. Both the ZR2 and Ranger Raptor are more capable for what Americans use them for, trail riding - they both have front lockers which the Toyota doesn't offer at all - although their traction control tech isn't as good as Toyota's. The Chevy in particular is better equipped to be trail rig and crawler, with its warrantied winch and slider options as well as the Bison upgrade including 35-inch tires. The Ford is the highest performance of the bunch, really living up to that California desert running nameplate, while also having the hardware to slow down and crawl if needed.

The Toyota looks cool and apparently has great tech but the mechanical bones aren't there. No sliders and no winch, although the Trailhunter seems to have both as options. None of the Toyotas offer a front locker at all which is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. I feel like this must be some sort of warranty-related decision.

 

[Veinz]

No front locker diff is a non issue for me, that would be the thing that gets used the least. I wouldn’t be taking something like this rock crawling.

The only thing more useless are the shock absorbers in the seats, another feature to drive up the price.

 

[Keef]

No front locker diff is a non issue for me, that would be the thing that gets used the least. I wouldn’t be taking something like this rock crawling.

The only thing more useless are the shock absorbers in the seats, another feature to drive up the price.

Those seats are part of the reason I think Toyota is just gouging people with money. The vast majority of people I know are more interested in the Trailhunter because that's the type of off-roading we like to do. But the lack of a front locker even as an option is a big oversight - sure it might not be necessary for most of us but out West in the US and Canada people traverse terrain that almost requires it routinely. The aftermarket for front lockers is healthy in the Toyota world because none of the vehicles have ever offered it besides the 80. Fact is, all of the real modern competition offers it - Jeep, Bronco, ZR2, Raptors. The only other truck in this market that doesn't offer a front locker is the Frontier Pro-4X/Hardbody, but that truck maxes out at around $50,000.

 

[Darla Starch]

Besides, if a third of Trailhunters see more than a slightly dusty road it'd be a miracle

 

[Joey D]

The TRD Off-Road, TRD Sport, and Platinum have made an appearance. No SR5 as of yet:

First Photos: 2025 4Runner TRD Off-Road, TRD Sport, and Platinum Trims 🤩

First photos of 2025 4Runner TRD Off-Road and Sport trims. 🤩 These were just revealed at the Toyota national dealer meeting. Updated with first look at the 2025 4Runner Platinum 2025 4Runner Off-Road 2025 4Runner Sport And more looks at the already revealed TRD...

www.4runner6g.com

 

[Veinz]

Not a fan of the grill area tbh. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had problems like the Tundra or Tacoma early on too.

I’d wait for the refresh in a few years before picking one of these up.

 

[05XR8]

Digging all those. Especially kudos for the fabric seats! They straight up look like Tonka toys. Love that green with the gold wheels.

I’m not a fan of these bigger 4x4s(can’t wait to see the mini LandCruiser FJ), but if I were in the market I’d get one.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Not warming up to the front fascia on these. I think it looks dumb.

 

[Keef]

I think it's fine but in certain colors it does look like it's got mutton chops.

 

[05XR8]

2025 Toyota Tundra price and specs: Big hybrid ute launches in Australia

With petrol hybrid V6 under the bonnet and a long list of standard equipment, the Tundra also comes with a big price.

www.drive.com.au

 

[Veinz]

6th gen 4Runner prices. Starts at 42k USD, TRD Pro is 68k.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a63137445/2025-toyota-4runner-pricing-details/

So 96k CAD if I want to replace my 5th gen Pro with a new one, this is around the same price as a full size GMC Yukon AT4. Toyota is just pushing me away from their brand.

edit: Not as bad as I thought, but still super expensive.

 

[Keef]

So 96k CAD if I want to replace my 5th gen Pro with a new one, this is around the same price as a full size GMC Yukon AT4. Toyota is just pushing me away from their brand.

The only reason the old ones like yours hold their value so well is because they're tried and true technology, known reliability and maintenance cost etc. I have a feeling in five years we're going to see resale values of the newer trucks tank. People are buying them for stupid money and are going to lose a lot, meanwhile I think the older ones will stay steady. I'm sure you can find better things to spend your money on than an unreliable new truck.

 

[Veinz]

The only reason the old ones like yours hold their value so well is because they're tried and true technology, known reliability and maintenance cost etc. I have a feeling in five years we're going to see resale values of the newer trucks tank. People are buying them for stupid money and are going to lose a lot, meanwhile I think the older ones will stay steady. I'm sure you can find better things to spend your money on than an unreliable new truck.

Yeah I have no intention on trading it in any time soon, I owe maybe 13k on it and it only has 48000 km. The car industry is in a weird place right now anyway.