The Greater Evil

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Which is less cool?

  • AWD with Comforts

    Votes: 18 37.5%
  • RWD with Sports/Racings

    Votes: 30 62.5%

  • Total voters
    48

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If you were in an open drift lounge with no regulations in place, which would you despise :lol: more:
1. An AWD car with Comforts; or
2. A RWD with Sports/Racing
Please don't say both, as that defeats the purpose of this post.
Also keep in mind that this post is not meant to be taken too seriously, so relax :D
 
number 2. the differences between RWD ch cars will be biggest because of the tires, not drivetrains :)
 
AWD.
Because drifting RWD with better tires is still drifting, not very realistic or useful but it is drifting, AWD sliding is not
 
RWD with sports/racing tires. Because sometines I like burning the rubber on all four tires at 155 degress through turns. ^_^
 
monsterGAUZ
AWD.
Because drifting RWD with better tires is still drifting, not very realistic or useful but it is drifting, AWD sliding is not

This. /thread But seriously id pick RWD over turtle sliding any day :)
 
Imma do a turntable here and say the RWD with sports, he get's a faster and a line with less angle, sorta ruins tandeming ability.
 
RWD with sport/racing tires.

If an AWD slider can manage to control his car I say props to him. I have no hate towards them. Only AWD I don't like are the ones that go straight slide for a second then take off.

I wouldn't join a room with no tire restrictions anyway.:sly:
 
AWD.
Because drifting RWD with better tires is still drifting, not very realistic or useful but it is drifting, AWD sliding is not
It's more realistic than comfort hards lol...

When was the last time you were driving your 160 horsepower car IRL and floored it in 3rd gear in a straight and lit up the tires?

Comfort hards are NOT realistic. They are simply the easiest tire to drift on, that's why they became the standard for online drifting.
 
It's more realistic than comfort hards lol...

When was the last time you were driving your 160 horsepower car IRL and floored it in 3rd gear in a straight and lit up the tires?

Comfort hards are NOT realistic. They are simply the easiest tire to drift on, that's why they became the standard for online drifting.
Lol, put sports tire drifters on CH and see if they can tandem, or connect corners for that matter, if it's so easy.

Talk to TwinTurboCH about what's realistic, he was a judge for (FD I think?) so he knows what he's talking about.

Sports tires are much more grippy than your standard road tire, trust me.
 
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Lol, put sports tire drifters on CH and see if they can tandem, or connect corners for that matter, if it's so easy.

Talk to TwinTurboCH about what's realistic, he was a judge for (FD I think?) so he knows what he's talking about.

Sports tires are much more grippy than your standard road tire, trust me.

i drift a 1987 RX-7 and i have never used any tires with as little grip as CH, I see sport meds to be a little better and the closest to my cars tires, BTW i got them from wal mart so it isn't racing tires. but i think AWD on Comforts is probably worse. because with AWD you should be doing touge not D1, but drifting is fine.
 
I think I would rather see someone in an AWD on comforts(as long as they can control the car well), because most of the people that I've ran into that use sport or racing tire's tend to be :censored:holes and are not fun to drift with
 
What are people setting their suspension to that its so hard to get grip on CHs? I mean I guess if the car has no suspension travel and has hard as rock springs then CHs might be a little slippy....
But I digress..I'll take awd on CHs over rwd on sports any day...my logic derives from watching legions of jdm drifting videos on youtube...I'll see 150hp AE86s able to maintain drifts all day...that ain't happenin on sports tires..oh and you know tandeming and all...i'd place my chances on successfully tandeming w/ a sti on CHs over an s15 on sports hards no matter what hp is involved
 
What are people setting their suspension to that its so hard to get grip on CHs? I mean I guess if the car has no suspension travel and has hard as rock springs then CHs might be a little slippy....
But I digress..I'll take awd on CHs over rwd on sports any day...my logic derives from watching legions of jdm drifting videos on youtube...I'll see 150hp AE86s able to maintain drifts all day...that ain't happenin on sports tires..oh and you know tandeming and all...i'd place my chances on successfully tandeming w/ a sti on CHs over an s15 on sports hards no matter what hp is involved
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What are people setting their suspension to that its so hard to get grip on CHs? I mean I guess if the car has no suspension travel and has hard as rock springs then CHs might be a little slippy....
But I digress..I'll take awd on CHs over rwd on sports any day...my logic derives from watching legions of jdm drifting videos on youtube...I'll see 150hp AE86s able to maintain drifts all day...that ain't happenin on sports tires..oh and you know tandeming and all...i'd place my chances on successfully tandeming w/ a sti on CHs over an s15 on sports hards no matter what hp is involved

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RWD + SH x RWD + SH = OK
RWD + SH X RWD + CH = NOT OK
AWD x AWD = NOT OK
AWD x RWD = NOT OK


In other words... any tire combination is acceptable since both use the same. But AWD will not match even against another AWD with same tires.
 
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4WD with CH tires is OK, when the driver is a skilled drifter and can tandem on 4WD cars. 👍

RWD with SH, RH is the worst thing I could ever imagine in drift :yuck: :yuck: :ouch: :indiff: :ill: 👎 👎
 
I'll see 150hp AE86s able to maintain drifts all day...that ain't happenin on sports tires..
Want to bet?

Lol, put sports tire drifters on CH and see if they can tandem, or connect corners for that matter, if it's so easy.
Did you even read my post? It's not easy, it's HARDER. That's exactly what I said. That doesn't mean it's worse. It gives better control which is a double-edged sword. Better control if you're not a good drifter means you won't drift as well. And of course a sports tire drifter & CH drifter won't be able to tandem together, I addressed that in my post as well. You need to work on that reading comprehension a little bit.

Talk to TwinTurboCH about what's realistic, he was a judge for (FD I think?) so he knows what he's talking about.
I've talked to TTCH and honestly was not that impressed by him. I've been drifting longer than he has, and his knowledge was more based on the FD rulebooks than experience. Every time I started talking technique with him, he reverted to what was in the FD rulebooks. There's nothing like CH tires on the market in real life, no tire in existence has such low grip.

I'll again issue my challenge, when was the last time you took a 160hp car in real life and lit up the tires in 3rd gear in a straight line? Or 2nd gear even? I rest my case.
 
Did you even read my post? It's not easy, it's HARDER. That's exactly what I said.
They are simply the easiest tire to drift on
You're right, I don't know how I got "easiest" from that.
And of course a sports tire drifter & CH drifter won't be able to tandem together, I addressed that in my post as well.

If you read what I said, Mr.Knowitall, I didn't mention anything about SH tandeming with CH:

Lol, put sports tire drifters on CH and see if they can tandem, or connect corners for that matter, if it's so easy
Let's try make this more simple for you. 2 Sports tire drifters. Let them use CH. See how well they do.
 
You're right, I don't know how I got "easiest" from that.
Ah sorry, you're right, I did misread that. I thought you were implying that I said sports were easy, because of the weird way you worded it. (Anyone who drifts on sports has also drifted on CH's, so that's why it confused me.)

If you put a sports tire drifter who's never used CH's before on CH's they will be flying off the outside of the corner because they're super unrealistic. Give them 2 or 3 laps though, and they'll utterly dominate anyone who's only driven on CH's.

Stickier tires teach you better weight control. There are subtleties to drifting that CH-only drifters are completely ignorant to, because they simply don't apply when you have zero traction. Weight shifting? With CH's? No such thing. You just push the throttle and boom you're sideways.
 
Stickier tires teach you better weight control. There are subtleties to drifting that CH-only drifters are completely ignorant to, because they simply don't apply when you have zero traction. Weight shifting? With CH's? No such thing. You just push the throttle and boom you're sideways.

Assumption is the bane of knowledge. Weight shifting is quite evident amongst CH equipped cars, and I assure you, with a proper suspension setup that allows the tires to grip the road, CH drifting is not as simple as simply mashing the throttle to get sideways. Admittedly in the rear CH's can be a bit slippy especially under WOT in the proper powerband, but in my experience w/ sports tires, the issue is those tires dont allow the front wheels to slip at all, which i find unrealistic, also low speed drifting is a no-no. I mean i guess if GT5 was full of Falken Mustangs and NASCAR V8 equipped rwd Scions :yuck:
Sports tires can drift, but IMHO they lack versatility. My barometer for drifting prowess stems from its roots: namely the low powered lightweight vehicles that made it popular such as an AE86...I dont care what your setup is, how much hp is run, you cant tandem behind an AE86 w/ CHs no credibility in my book.
 
If you put a sports tire drifter who's never used CH's before on CH's they will be flying off the outside of the corner because they're super unrealistic. Give them 2 or 3 laps though, and they'll utterly dominate anyone who's only driven on CH's.
That cracks me up, what a load of baloni :D


Assumption is the bane of knowledge. Weight shifting is quite evident amongst CH equipped cars, and I assure you, with a proper suspension setup that allows the tires to grip the road, CH drifting is not as simple as simply mashing the throttle to get sideways. Admittedly in the rear CH's can be a bit slippy especially under WOT in the proper powerband, but in my experience w/ sports tires, the issue is those tires dont allow the front wheels to slip at all, which i find unrealistic, also low speed drifting is a no-no. I mean i guess if GT5 was full of Falken Mustangs and NASCAR V8 equipped rwd Scions :yuck:
Sports tires can drift, but IMHO they lack versatility. My barometer for drifting prowess stems from its roots: namely the low powered lightweight vehicles that made it popular such as an AE86...I dont care what your setup is, how much hp is run, you cant tandem behind an AE86 w/ CHs no credibility in my book.
Truth 👍
 
Assumption is the bane of knowledge.
Who says I'm assuming? I do most of my GT5 drifting on CH tires so as to be compatible with online drifters, so I'm not exactly speaking out of ignorance here. I find it interesting that when I make a claim that CH tires are not realistic and/or not hands-down the only tire to drift on, people make the assumption that I don't use CH at all and am saying no one else should use them at all either.

I also find humor in you assuming that I'm assuming! Almost as much as my reading comprehension failing and accusing of someone else of failing at reading comprehension. It's turtles all the way down from here. I can see where the thread is going so I'll make this my last post and try not to make it overly confrontational.

in my experience w/ sports tires, the issue is those tires dont allow the front wheels to slip at all, which i find unrealistic, also low speed drifting is a no-no.
I'm truly not trying to insult you, but I would chalk this up to technique. I haven't had any problems, even using racing slicks in some cases. I take my 454 Chevelle SS onto Eiger short track with racing hards and hit the switchbacks full-lock countered. It requires more finesse, that's for sure.

Let me guess, when you try it, you get snap understeer that kicks you off the outside edge of the track in every corner? It seems like no matter what you do, you can't nail it just right? Then you get frustrated and go back to CH's because the other tires have too much grip?

Look at it this way: Remember back when you first started drifting on CH's and you were still learning, what was your most common problem? Let me guess, snap understeer in every corner? Then you got frustrated and felt like no matter what you do the car spins out or flies off the track? If there was a tire even less grippy than CH, you would've downgraded to that at that time, but there wasn't so you were forced to learn or quit.

The problem isn't the tires, it's your technique. Practice practice practice. Nothing wrong with improving your skill with slippery tires, as long as you don't stop there, and actually learn on more difficult tires too. Otherwise it's masturbatory at best and closed-minded at worst. "Man, look how sick I can drift!!! ...on comfort hards..."

Don't stop there, push your own limits! I've got an RX-7 LM car with Racing Soft tires that I am always trying to drift and it destroys me, but it doesn't stop me from trying. If I can master that car, I can drift anything.

TP1
You remember the SLS Challange with David Coulthard? They used CS and the times were fractions apart.
CS are much closer to real road tires. CH are more like driving in the rain with summer tires.
 
@pergatory
This video proves why Comforts are the superior tyres when it comes to drifting in GT5. With Sports you can't connect more than two corners. Everytime drift lounge I've been in, has been the same: Sports tyre users going way too fast, doing one-two drift and then just pulling away because they can't keep it drifting. Now if you're the one man who can, then by all means you should post a video and prove to us that it's possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-vcnU4L-_c
 
pergatory
I'm truly not trying to insult you, but I would chalk this up to technique. I haven't had any problems, even using racing slicks in some cases. I take my 454 Chevelle SS onto Eiger short track with racing hards and hit the switchbacks full-lock countered. It requires more finesse, that's for sure.

Let me guess, when you try it, you get snap understeer that kicks you off the outside edge of the track in every corner? It seems like no matter what you do, you can't nail it just right? Then you get frustrated and go back to CH's because the other tires have too much grip?

Look at it this way: Remember back when you first started drifting on CH's and you were still learning, what was your most common problem? Let me guess, snap understeer in every corner? Then you got frustrated and felt like no matter what you do the car spins out or flies off the track? If there was a tire even less grippy than CH, you would've downgraded to that at that time, but there wasn't so you were forced to learn or quit.

The problem isn't the tires, it's your technique. Practice practice practice. Nothing wrong with improving your skill with slippery tires, as long as you don't stop there, and actually learn on more difficult tires too. Otherwise it's masturbatory at best and closed-minded at worst. "Man, look how sick I can drift!!! ...on comfort hards..."

1st off, you are adept at answering your own questions while attempting to make me question my tire choice...my issues w/ sports tires had nothing to do w/ snap understeer; see some folks prefer a vehicle w/ actual drifting heritage like a s chassis or the like..low displacement, low torque motors...being that id prefer the amount of hp and or torque to be at reasonable levels it makes sports tires non usable, unless of course I choose to harden the spring rates to go cartish levels..now maybe if i'd subscribed to the formula d mindset, I may have perhaps considered a 454 cubic inch torque monster as my ideal drift machine, being that the chassis is so reknowned as having so much finesse(insert sarcastic smiley here)
What you so far have failed to indicate is your tandem prowess as far as following in your sports tires, so ill take that to mean anyone you can't follow is simply too slow (sounds curiously like a 4wd drifters mentality if you ask me)
CHs are not zero traction tires, they provide plenty of grip but not if the suspension is not setup properly.
So since remaining w/ a particular tire choice is such a masturbatory choice of actions, I anxiously await your video proof of your drifting prowess on racing softs and your subsequent dismissal of your former sport tire bretheren as losers destined to whack off in the corner of of a GT5 lobby..
I'm over this..where are the awd CH drifters? I'm sooo much more interested in them at this point
 
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Honestly if you people are going on about the limited techniques you can do on a certain tyre you have a really broad mindset. Sure CH is the easiest tyre to lose grip with but just because it has the lowest amount of grip means I can't feint or handbrake entry into a corner? No.

Don't talk about technique on such a broad perspective, because other relying factors also depends on the car.

Is there any proper AWD drifters on GTP or have we scared them off :lol:
 
4WD with CH tires is OK, when the driver is a skilled drifter and can tandem on 4WD cars. 👍

RWD with SH, RH is the worst thing I could ever imagine in drift :yuck: :yuck: :ouch: :indiff: :ill: 👎 👎

AWD x AWD or RWD x AWD...
If you find any GT5 video with consistent tandems between both, i would love to see.


TP1
@pergatory
This video proves why Comforts are the superior tyres when it comes to drifting in GT5. With Sports you can't connect more than two corners. Everytime drift lounge I've been in, has been the same: Sports tyre users going way too fast, doing one-two drift and then just pulling away because they can't keep it drifting. Now if you're the one man who can, then by all means you should post a video and prove to us that it's possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-vcnU4L-_c

Every time i see this video on this forum, i wonder how many thousands of view we provided for that account. Thats so hilarious, and people still don´t get it how SH slides only on the corners while CH connects the whole track perfectly. Plus, the assumption of "realism" don´t match with a semi-sim like GT5, with several aspects that dont reflect reality.

I was afraid that this thread would drop into the endless "tire discussion", and here we are again.
 
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I would prefer Awd with comforts. If lsd and torque is all the way to rear it doesnt make huge difference but it still uses front wheels to so cant be called rwd.
 
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