The Vettel Challenge needs a health warning for DS3 users.

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I’ve obtained every trophy I have ever attempted in all sorts of games, until the Vettel challenge at Suzuka in GT5. The difficulty level of this race is so exponentially higher than anything else that I feel there should be a health safety warning especially for DS3 users. It is extremely misleading on PD’s part to make nearly every other gold time in the game so easy compared to the Vettel Challenge and not actively make a point of warning that they intentionally set it absurdly high and players are heading straight off a cliff. At this point I am of the opinion that they should be required to post the percentage of DS3 users who are able to gold this race to prevent people from wasting their time trying to do something that is in fact impossible for them. If their goal is 1% or even 5% I definitely would never have bothered wasting so many hours.

For laughs after being so demoralized one night I contacted Sony inquiring the following:

“What percentage of players who have attempted to gold the Vettel Challenge in Gran Turismo 5 with a DS3 controller have actually succeeded in getting gold medals? The impression given in online forums is that most who have golded the races in this event are the ones who have spent a lot of money on steering wheel accessories and it's considered near impossible to do with a standard DS3 controller. I and many others would love to know if us DS3 users are attempting something that is in fact beyond what the hardware is reasonably capable of and we are just wasting our time trying.”

Their response:

“My name is Chad, and I will be assisting you today. Thank you for your email, we apologize for any frustration this may have caused. At this time, Gran Turismo 5 is fully compatible with the DUALSHOCK®3 wireless controller. I do not have any information that would indicate you would be required to purchase additional accessories to complete any challenges within the game.”

Thanks Chad, but when a single race which represents o.6% of a gold trophy is deserving of its own platinum and takes as long as whole other games (I’ve spent at least 40 hours on Suzuka with an X1), then take it from this OCD completist: there is a hardware compatibility issue here that inflicts harm on players.




Update (Jan 19):

After some 50 hours trying to gold Suzuka I gave up. I couldn't even get silver. My best time was 2.11.566. I could drive consistent 2.12s and very rarely 2.11s. So I went out and bought a wheel. Within 4 hours I was beating my DS3 times and had already obtained silver. By 6 hours I was driving consistent 2.10s and by hour seven I had golded the race with a 2.09.698.

So a year of GT5 with a DS3 golding every event in the game and some 50 hours on Suzuka alone was no match for 7 hours with a DFGT, a type of controller I have never used before.
 
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(I’ve spent at least 40 hours on Suzuka with an X1)

:embarrassed:

Be like me and settle for silver. :D
I have a wheel and I've tried in total about 2 hours trying to get the three golds. I can only manage Monza in gold, the other two silver.
 
:embarrassed:

Be like me and settle for silver. :D
I have a wheel and I've tried in total about 2 hours trying to get the three golds. I can only manage Monza in gold, the other two silver.

What irks me most is that I was able to gold the other two, but then can't even come close to silver on Suzuka even though I can get gold times easily when I use a different X1 in practice mode.
 
there is a hardware compatibility issue here that inflicts harm on players.

Wait, so it's PD's fault that you decided to torture yourself? ;)

So said that you had to gold. I get that from a completionist's point of view it would be annoying, but there's absolutely no obligation to do it a(and just because it's there doesn't mean there is one). And what difference would it make if PD had a notice saying "wouldn't bother trying this with a DS3 because it's impossible, you know" - weren't you able to figure that out for yourself after trying it? :confused:
 
Suzuka didn't give me the troubles that the 'Ring GP track does. I managed Gold at Monza in a couple of hours (I LOVE Monza) and recently Golded Suzuka, but I just barely made Bronze on the third and haven't gotten close to my best time on it lately.
 
Wait, so it's PD's fault that you decided to torture yourself? ;)

So said that you had to gold. I get that from a completionist's point of view it would be annoying, but there's absolutely no obligation to do it a(and just because it's there doesn't mean there is one). And what difference would it make if PD had a notice saying "wouldn't bother trying this with a DS3 because it's impossible, you know" - weren't you able to figure that out for yourself after trying it? :confused:

There is a big difference between doing a challenge in a game where you know that with time and effort you will eventually master it and one where it may actually be beyond your human capabilities simply due to the hardware. Most of the time hardware doesn't factor in a game trophy: this is a first time for me. In the past the skill required to earn a trophy was the same for everyone. Then came trophies for online portions of games: there was one I remember where it became very clear that the odds of people getting it varied greatly because it was entirely dependent on your HUMAN online competition which could be extremely easy or difficult depending on the circumstances. Now in this case it is a hardware question: it is not simply a matter of time and effort but money at their disposal also plays a factor. PD could easily calculate different times for DS3 and wheel users making sure that the proportion of DS3 users who get gold is the same as the proportion of wheel users (e.g. if 25% of wheel users are getting gold and only 5% of DS3 users there is an issue). Could you imagine if the PS3 Fatty and Slim played a certain game slightly differently for a given trophy where there was an advantage if you had a Fatty?

I have heard the issue of people claiming the times shouldn't be changed to allow more reasonable access to players, but PD has made changes to so many other events that it really shouldn't be an issue and they could easily give a special racing suit, helmet and or car to those few who succeeded in gold before an updated lap time change.
 
Yes! In fact I once completely lost my patience with this race and stupidly through a (near new) controller across my living room breaking the left shoulder buttons clean off! I know this was my fault but if it were me making this thread, it'd look slightly different:

The Vettel Challenge needs a health warning for DS3 controllers.
 
Or don't do it? 💡 It's sad how people in this day and age don't know what the word "choice" means.
 
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Glitch it ;)

Actually there was a glitch before, I'm not sure if they patched it or not though.
You could have a look and maybe somehow get back to that patch and do it?

But please BACK UP GAME SAVE DATA before you do ANYTHING.

(Sorry for caps. :nervous:)
 
Or don't do it? 💡 It's sad how people in this day and age don't know what the word "choice" means.

Yeah thanks, appreciate that. Can't "not do it" and still complete the game 100%.

The question is.... should 100% be achievable to anybody who puts in the time and effort, or should it only be achievable to the aliens who can afford a few hundred dollars worth of hardware?
 
Yeah thanks, appreciate that. Can't "not do it" and still complete the game 100%.

The question is.... should 100% be achievable to anybody who puts in the time and effort, or should it only be achievable to the aliens who can afford a few hundred dollars worth of hardware?

Again, it's a choice if you want to complete it 100%. Hopefully nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to do it.

And if you put the time and effort in the game, you can get all gold, no matter your controller of choice. Remember, there's people that CAN do it.
 
Attempted it for many hours with my G27. After 3 hours I settled for silver and have never looked back. I'm satisfied having 60 gold with the licenses. Good luck to all.
 
Again, it's a choice if you want to complete it 100%. Hopefully nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to do it.

And if you put the time and effort in the game, you can get all gold, no matter your controller of choice. Remember, there's people that CAN do it.

You're missing the point, completely.
 
It does seem way hard with a DS3, tried a couple of the tracks way back and wasn't even near Bronze, haven't gone back since as simply didn't enjoy it, though I think I could get Bronze now at least.

I do make a point of golding all of the seasonals and time trials though, and did gold the X2010 time trial that was up a little while back (which was a lot easier than the Vettel Challenge) by reducing the controller sensitivity to 3 instead of 5, you could try that?
 
Just playing this challenge for the first time....

This is easily among the worst experiences I have ever had in a racing game. Right next to the Daytona challenge. I really wish GT would stick to what it does best instead of injecting this crap for the sake of... something.
 
It is by far the hardest challenge in GT history, and it should be dumbed down a wee bit as it is uncharacteristic of the series to have such a difficult race in the game.

Yes, there are numerous out there who can complete it, but not everyone will have the skills to do that, which is what some of the people who have completed it fail to understand/realise.
 
I fail to see the "Health Warning" in your claim. It is more like, as denied by "Mr Chad" of Sony, a hardware incompadibility issue.
 
there is a very simple reason why this challenge is so difficult... they actually had Sebastien Vettel SET THE TIME. Obviously he would've had a force feedback wheel to do this. factor in his Formula 1 experience and the time will obviously be rediculous compared to the gold times for license tests and other events. I was only able to manage a bronze in all 3 races. I got the trophy and the car, but it took about 2 weeks for me to get it.
 
there is a very simple reason why this challenge is so difficult... they actually had Sebastien Vettel SET THE TIME. Obviously he would've had a force feedback wheel to do this. factor in his Formula 1 experience and the time will obviously be rediculous compared to the gold times for license tests and other events. I was only able to manage a bronze in all 3 races. I got the trophy and the car, but it took about 2 weeks for me to get it.

I think its largely speculated that the time is set by AI

If you watch the 'example' its pretty definitive
 
I think its largely speculated that the time is set by AI

If you watch the 'example' its pretty definitive

If this time was set by the AI, how high did they turn up the difficulty? that car is rediculously fast and I don't think that anyone other than a professional F1 driver could possibly set a time like that.
 
Yes, there are numerous out there who can complete it, but not everyone will have the skills to do that, which is what some of the people who have completed it fail to understand/realise.

But you can also say the other way around:

Yes, there are numerous out there who can't complete it, but some players have have the skills to do that, which is what some of the people who can't completed it fail to understand/realise.
 
I've managed bronze with a controller in all three and not spent a second more attempted silver/gold. 40 hours seems excessive - I know I have spent an obscene amount of time on GT5, but for one challenge I can understand your frustration.

The 8C in GT Special - Eiger Nordwand is the one that's bugging me right now.
 
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