The War in Libya

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Thanks, I'll have a read through that when I get home. I believe this deserves it's own thread though as the videos are so important. It's pretty clear to most people who see this that this is the real reason for the war. Anyone who values freedom would want these to be seen by as many people as possible. If any moderator decides to lock it, then please ask Jordan first because I'll definitely appeal the decision with him.
 
It may be that the Libya war deserves its own thread, as it's about much more than indigenous "Jasmine" revolutions to liberate and uplift the Arab world. Indeed, the war to defeat Gaddafi and the regime in Libya is much more about the future and destiny of Europe than anything else. To put it plain, Europe needs nearby Libya's easily produced and transported high-grade crude oil to prevent being squeezed by OPEC (and particularly the Russians) out of their place as a modern, competitive global industrial economy.

That military Europe in the guise of NATO has clearly failed to secure any kind of satisfactory outcome in Libya, despite having expending its arsenal and now having to borrow munitions from the US, signals that Europe may not be up to its collective historical role. NATO is on the verge of failure and dissolution if it cannot succeed in the current endeavor.

The great Europe-in-Libya adventure is a necessary, worthwhile but dangerous gamble if Europe is to have a future. Legalities, morality, honor and prudence must be sacrificed in a naked grab for dominance over Libyan resources. Any Libyan gold and oil backed pan-African economic and financial designs must be smothered in the crib.

Elements of NATO have entered the war on the side of the rebels against the regime, even though the rebels are closer to militant Islam and terrorism than the regime. A desperate war is going to make for some strange bedfellows.

Elements of NATO have exceeded the brief of the UN "mandate" in their open zeal to physically liquidate Gadaffi. Now that Gaddafi is personally under attack, how could it be complained if he managed to liquidate Cameron, Sarkozy or Obama in self-defense? When you take the irrevocable step of going to war, the "other guy" you've attacked is going to have something to say about the outcome, and you must expect setbacks and the unexpected.

I do not know what is going to happen, but the battle lines are drawn. Whatever happens, you can be assured it will look ugly.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
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It may be that the Libya war deserves its own thread, as it's about much more than indigenous "Jasmine" revolutions to liberate and uplift the Arab world. Indeed, the war to defeat Gaddafi and the regime in Libya is much more about the future and destiny of Europe than anything else. To put it plain, Europe needs nearby Libya's easily produced and transported high-grade crude oil to prevent being squeezed by OPEC (and particularly the Russians) out of their place as a modern, competitive global industrial economy.

That military Europe in the guise of NATO has clearly failed to secure any kind of satisfactory outcome in Libya, despite having expending its arsenal and now having to borrow munitions from the US, signals that Europe may not be up to its collective historical role. NATO is on the verge of failure and dissolution if it cannot succeed in the current endeavor.

The great Europe-in-Libya adventure is a necessary, worthwhile but dangerous gamble if Europe is to have a future. Legalities, morality, honor and prudence must be sacrificed in a naked grab for dominance over Libyan resources. Any Libyan gold and oil backed pan-African economic and financial designs must be smothered in the crib.

Elements of NATO have entered the war on the side of the rebels against the regime, even though the rebels are closer to militant Islam and terrorism than the regime. A desperate war is going to make for some strange bedfellows.

Elements of NATO have exceeded the brief of the UN "mandate" in their open zeal to physically liquidate Gadaffi. Now that Gaddafi is personally under attack, how could it be complained if he managed to liquidate Cameron, Sarkozy or Obama in self-defense? When you take the irrevocable step of going to war, the "other guy" you've attacked is going to have something to say about the outcome, and you must expect setbacks and the unexpected.

I do not know what is going to happen, but the battle lines are drawn. Whatever happens, you can be assured it will look ugly.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

Exactly!
 
The great Europe-in-Libya adventure is a necessary, worthwhile but dangerous gamble if Europe is to have a future. Legalities, morality, honor and prudence must be sacrificed in a naked grab for dominance over Libyan resources. Any Libyan gold and oil backed pan-African economic and financial designs must be smothered in the crib.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

I realise that, but you can't just go around stealing from the rest of the world just because you have the ability to. That what bullies do, and we are better than that. If we start trying to justify this to ourselves then we are no better than our leaders. This is why the middle eastern countries hate us. They have very good reason to. The golden rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated. If we all followed this rule then it would be a much better world. If we don't have enough oil, then thats bad luck for us. But there are other ways around this. If we spent our military budget on research into alternative energy sources then we would have found the answer long ago. But we don't do that because of military and oil lobby groups who use lobbying to legally bribe our politicians to make decisions that benefit them instead of humanity.
 
I realise that, but you can't just go around stealing from the rest of the world just because you have the ability to. That what bullies do, and we are better than that. If we start trying to justify this to ourselves then we are no better than our leaders. This is why the middle eastern countries hate us. They have very good reason to. The golden rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated. If we all followed this rule then it would be a much better world. If we don't have enough oil, then thats bad luck for us. But there are other ways around this. If we spent our military budget on research into alternative energy sources then we would have found the answer long ago. But we don't do that because of military and oil lobby groups who use lobbying to legally bribe our politicians to make decisions that benefit them instead of humanity.

Matt, I agree with you. My post was merely meant to dramatize the ridiculous position Europe has gotten itself into.

Respectfully,
Steve
 
Matt, I agree with you. My post was merely meant to dramatize the ridiculous position Europe has gotten itself into.

Respectfully,
Steve

Cool, I'll definitely +1 that. :cheers:

Thanks for the vids. :dopey:👍

That clearly shows that Gaddafi is not the Bad Boy here. And again that you can't trust the US & EU politicians.

Liars everywhere. :ouch:

My pleasure, glad you found them interesting. :)
Here are a few more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDt92tR2YnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUrCkDHguc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j02uvYMKbh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ki2QFiM6NU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzNhk3zv4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmpEDl4u--8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG5vGOsfh5M

Guys, this is really important, so please share these videos with anyone who'll listen. We are fighting an information war. Websites like youtube are changing the way we view the world. We can now get the other side of the story, and we are seeing that the situation is VERY different from what our western mainstream media would have us believe. We all woke up a bit too late to prevent Iraq and Afghanistan, but it's not too late to help Libya. If you want to know why the Gold Dinar is so significant then watch the clips below, in this order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BVNN1wqw3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPFgHF9VR4

This clip explains the same thing, but makes it easier to understand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE
 
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From what I have seen America is not overly keen on the Libya war. It has been complaining that they have had to do a lot of the work, and then back away from the action in Libya, then being asked to do more by other Nato countries etc.
UK has no missiles and had to borrow/buy more from them. America has been suggesting and rightly so that Nato is pretty much useless and can not achieve objectives. The European nations are just too small in military capacity, ability, or will to do any significant operation on behalf of Nato.
 
The UK defence secretary has now admitted that the rebels can not win.
What is required now is for a traitor to betray Gaddafi.
I wonder if this now means Nato will largely reduce their operations. And now just selectively hinder the leader himself and not the army. They might choose to just maintain a no fly zone. Without bombings and missile attacks etc.
 
From what I have seen America is not overly keen on the Libya war. It has been complaining that they have had to do a lot of the work, and then back away from the action in Libya, then being asked to do more by other Nato countries etc.
UK has no missiles and had to borrow/buy more from them. America has been suggesting and rightly so that Nato is pretty much useless and can not achieve objectives. The European nations are just too small in military capacity, ability, or will to do any significant operation on behalf of Nato.

We are still interacting past the deadline for congressional approval, but the congress is keeping it's mouth shut to protect the president. It's mostly been swept under the rug now, and US media doesn't even talk about it, regardless of how much of money is is sucking out out of us.
 
The UK defence secretary has now admitted that the rebels can not win.
What is required now is for a traitor to betray Gaddafi.
I wonder if this now means Nato will largely reduce their operations. And now just selectively hinder the leader himself and not the army. They might choose to just maintain a no fly zone. Without bombings and missile attacks etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eed-a-traitor-in-gaddafis-circle-2329677.html
I've just been watching videos on youtube of the people of Benghazi rising up against the rebels. I bet thats a massive part of it.
 
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