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The Xbone has sold twice as many units in the first six months when compared to the 360. I would say double sales compared to its predecessor IS selling like crazy.
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Then there is something wrong with the math. It was said in this thread (I don't know personally) that the 360 out sold the PS3 at launch, your saying they both have doubled sales. Well how does that add up to PS4 out selling the X1? If they both have doubled sales than X1 would be out selling the PS4.
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Thing is, Microsoft keep saying they've sold 5 mill but isnt that just how many they've shipped rather tahn sold? Also isnt the kinect and its features xboxone's USP?
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Again, why are the sales numbers that Sony is claiming anymore accurate than what Microsoft is claiming. I don't understand, other than "the world according to GT Planet members" slant. Many see their gaming world from a very particular point of view, many are living in a fish bowl. There is a huge gaming world, much larger than the GT Planet group. There are many that take "The Real Driving Simulator" literally, as an example of a fish bowl view.
With that said, its not that I believe the MS numbers, but I have no reason to believe one over the other.
With that said, its not that I believe the MS numbers, but I have no reason to believe one over the other.
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Wow people are simply in denial.
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SOLD like crazy, it's not selling like crazy. It's also not double it is 1.6m units more than the 2.9/3 million the 360 managed over it's first 6 months.
The problem for MS is that, whilst having great initial sales in the first month, 3 out of the first 6 months the 360 sold more than the xbone. Titanfall didn't create the lift they were hoping for with only a 100-150k bump compared to 360 at same period and the last month of the six the gap decreased again at a bigger rate than the bump itself.
So if this trend continues, by the time November comes around xbone and 360 sales gap will possibly not exist at all. Meaning the xbone might have only matched 360 sales over the first 12 months. Which wouldn't be the end of the world for MS in terms of xbone vs 360 but in terms of market share it would not be good at all because there is a bigger demand out there for new hardware, but the hardware is not their's.
PS4 vs PS3 shows this over the same 6 month comparison as the PS4 has a gap that has grown every month bar one (the month PS3 was released in Europe) to a lead of double the PS3 plus an extra million on top and continues to grow.
The major evidence of this is the kinect drop.
Both sales numbers that both companies stated are accurate. It's just one stated sold through to customers (Sony 7m units is the last I recall) and one stated sold to retail (MS 5m units shipped is the last i recall) meaning it was difficult to determine how many xbones are in peoples homes.
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Sorry, I forgot the smiley on the end, it was supposed to be a tongue in cheek comment. I've no doubt that PD are great programmers and devs, and I can't wait to see what they come up with. Onto the Xbone, I'd love to see another PGR to show what it can do. pCARS will be a great start, and T10 are not the Dev studio they used to be.
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Yes I said it and already know it will happen.
As far as Xbone goes. Just saying that I was right before the console got released. Microsoft obviously hates to make all the changes and drop Kinect but they have no option because they are loosing ground. Unlike people here at least they admit it.
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No you don't and if you continue to discuss it in this thread you will given a few days off to think it over on your own.
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Xbox One has been outsold in America by the PS4 for 4 months and is currently tracking lower than the 360 did. Not overall though. It sold very well in 2013. You can imagine after 8 years the core console buyer was excited to finally get some new hardware. It's the 2014 sales and trend that probably concern Microsoft. Also in a country where they outsold Sony by a large margin.
It's not a big problem right now as many 360/PS3 owners are still to buy either and most own 360s in the US. MS have got price parity dropping Kinect, I'd think from now on their message will be games.
Most these other countries not yet supported already have Xbox One's in stock, neighbouring countries are supported. Portugal sits within Spain. Holland and Belgium are two small countries inbetween Germany and France.
Germany doesn't have one XBO title in the top 50. It would seem XBO will sell less than 360 in mainland europe so its crucial MS don't let Sony do well in places like the UK and US, Australia.
MS sold around 20 million more consoles than Sony did in America, that's why you often see how naturally US media will say 360 won last gen. Worldwide its 80+ million each, a tie (don't quote me saying either is 1 mill ahead). Sony caught up on the numbers in the EU and Japan. 20 million is a huge disparity for one country. For Sony to be slightly behind or level with MS in the US would be a bad sign that the dominance is over but PS4 is actually selling more, signaling a complete overturn.
It's not a big problem right now as many 360/PS3 owners are still to buy either and most own 360s in the US. MS have got price parity dropping Kinect, I'd think from now on their message will be games.
Most these other countries not yet supported already have Xbox One's in stock, neighbouring countries are supported. Portugal sits within Spain. Holland and Belgium are two small countries inbetween Germany and France.
Germany doesn't have one XBO title in the top 50. It would seem XBO will sell less than 360 in mainland europe so its crucial MS don't let Sony do well in places like the UK and US, Australia.
MS sold around 20 million more consoles than Sony did in America, that's why you often see how naturally US media will say 360 won last gen. Worldwide its 80+ million each, a tie (don't quote me saying either is 1 mill ahead). Sony caught up on the numbers in the EU and Japan. 20 million is a huge disparity for one country. For Sony to be slightly behind or level with MS in the US would be a bad sign that the dominance is over but PS4 is actually selling more, signaling a complete overturn.
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As I see it is not so much about RAW sells numbers, but rather a matter of sustainability.
Console releases are always a disaster for hardware manufactures, because they take even a longer time to develop than games, and the gamble is far greater. This gen have been more accessible then the previous gen (PS3 being launched at 400 USD instead of 600 USD making room for better competition and all that), but problem for MS is Kinect, and dropping it will really have a hit on how the company will profit from it.
Now, the sales figures are very shady, as what is conceived as actual sells rather than retail distribution is really complicated to determine something doing good sells vs bad sells, distribution to retailers are not sales per same but stock demand, if they run out of stock they will ask for more, if they don't they might just keep what they have in store, thus negating further purchases and see a sells trend drop.
MS can keep a sale store record, retailers will ask for new X1 units to store, then a time will pass and for some time we'll see how much retailers will ask for restoring units, depending on that trend we will see how well the X1 sells. The introduction of new markets broaden this as retailers will have the X1 in stock for the first time, thus seeing a boost in world wide sales.
Now, the problem with MS is that they got basically 🤬 with the Kinect, the dev time and the production of the device will not be returned as the unit production is far more costly and the targets were not met (bare in mind that Sony had enough resources to Produce 7 million consoles and supply them, which is a huge investment for them, something that made them loose revenue Q1 this year apart from selling it's PC division and so on), if MS had projected an scenario in which new subscribers+units sold will make up for what the dev costs then is really problematic for them, hence why they dropped the Kinect and are trying as hard as they can to make revenue while staying competitive, parting from expecting around 7 million sold they devoted resources to production of such number of units, resources that will not see as much revenue as they should.
Buying a PS4 at release makes me biased, seeing the same X1 boxes at local retailers is another story. Local retailers don't know what to do with it as they can't drop the price of the device to a PS4 competitive price because their revenue would be far too poor, and people more inclined to cheaper products while the PS4 is also advertised as "more powerful" and often bundled with a Vita or a year of Plus which makes both Sony and the retailers win a bit alike. With MS everyone looses as it's not competitive enough to a competitive market.
Kinect and this X1 release will kick MS in the back in a few years down the line as production targets and revenue expectations are not met. Rebuilding the One to work without Kinect will also generate both design and production costs to the already generated cost of developing the console in the first place, just to be competitive in a market that is already devoting some of it's resources to future peripherals (See PS eye integration with Morpheus, is which clear going for a market that only exists in PC and has no competition for the mainstream audience, making it a huge revenue potential in a mainstream market other than establishing yet another additional feature to be even more competitive to MS X1 nerfed unit).
Console releases are always a disaster for hardware manufactures, because they take even a longer time to develop than games, and the gamble is far greater. This gen have been more accessible then the previous gen (PS3 being launched at 400 USD instead of 600 USD making room for better competition and all that), but problem for MS is Kinect, and dropping it will really have a hit on how the company will profit from it.
Now, the sales figures are very shady, as what is conceived as actual sells rather than retail distribution is really complicated to determine something doing good sells vs bad sells, distribution to retailers are not sales per same but stock demand, if they run out of stock they will ask for more, if they don't they might just keep what they have in store, thus negating further purchases and see a sells trend drop.
MS can keep a sale store record, retailers will ask for new X1 units to store, then a time will pass and for some time we'll see how much retailers will ask for restoring units, depending on that trend we will see how well the X1 sells. The introduction of new markets broaden this as retailers will have the X1 in stock for the first time, thus seeing a boost in world wide sales.
Now, the problem with MS is that they got basically 🤬 with the Kinect, the dev time and the production of the device will not be returned as the unit production is far more costly and the targets were not met (bare in mind that Sony had enough resources to Produce 7 million consoles and supply them, which is a huge investment for them, something that made them loose revenue Q1 this year apart from selling it's PC division and so on), if MS had projected an scenario in which new subscribers+units sold will make up for what the dev costs then is really problematic for them, hence why they dropped the Kinect and are trying as hard as they can to make revenue while staying competitive, parting from expecting around 7 million sold they devoted resources to production of such number of units, resources that will not see as much revenue as they should.
Buying a PS4 at release makes me biased, seeing the same X1 boxes at local retailers is another story. Local retailers don't know what to do with it as they can't drop the price of the device to a PS4 competitive price because their revenue would be far too poor, and people more inclined to cheaper products while the PS4 is also advertised as "more powerful" and often bundled with a Vita or a year of Plus which makes both Sony and the retailers win a bit alike. With MS everyone looses as it's not competitive enough to a competitive market.
Kinect and this X1 release will kick MS in the back in a few years down the line as production targets and revenue expectations are not met. Rebuilding the One to work without Kinect will also generate both design and production costs to the already generated cost of developing the console in the first place, just to be competitive in a market that is already devoting some of it's resources to future peripherals (See PS eye integration with Morpheus, is which clear going for a market that only exists in PC and has no competition for the mainstream audience, making it a huge revenue potential in a mainstream market other than establishing yet another additional feature to be even more competitive to MS X1 nerfed unit).
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It was an incorrect prediction in which I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.
I do think sales will pick up now that they are not forcing Kinect and they have dropped the price. Plus once it releases in the other countries, it will also help the sales. I don't think it will ever reach the PS4 sales but I do think the gap will close a fair amount. Both are great consoles in their own ways but I am still waiting for 3d before I made a decision on which next gen console to get.
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@CAMAROBOY69..........my advice would not wait for 3D to buy a gaming console. 3D is to much of a "gimmick" with not many avanues to watch media on. If you look at what you can buy/rent/watch/play/stream in 3D you will understand. I have played a 3D game at a friends house and quite honestly after about an hour I had a headache and my eyes hurt. Owning a 3D TV is like owning a fully automatic gun. Once you use it once or twice the fun is over..(especialy when your buying the rounds)
@Akira AC.....I can appreciate the thought and time it took you to type out that post. Some of what I strongly agree and some I have no idea how you can come up with it..Im not going to nit pick and debate with you, but I can say as a X1 owner is that Im glad I bought it. I love the Kinect feature although I have not played a single game using it. The speech commands are getting alot better with updates and I love controling my TV with my voice. I hate to see it being dropped by MS but I can understand the dicision.
@Akira AC.....I can appreciate the thought and time it took you to type out that post. Some of what I strongly agree and some I have no idea how you can come up with it..Im not going to nit pick and debate with you, but I can say as a X1 owner is that Im glad I bought it. I love the Kinect feature although I have not played a single game using it. The speech commands are getting alot better with updates and I love controling my TV with my voice. I hate to see it being dropped by MS but I can understand the dicision.
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My brother has the X1 and I have played it several times and most of the games that are available for the X1.
As for 3d...I use my 3d tv on a weekly basis for games and movies. I have actually worn my 3d glasses for 12+ hours with no problems quite a few times. It has been said already, but currently 3d is far from dead. Otherwise PD would not have added it to GT6 recently. Plus each movie that comes out every week would not be 3d. Just this week alone these are the current 3d movies playing in 3d in the theater.
The 3d movie library is growing almost every single week. More proof 3d is far from dead from a different thread.
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I do agree that they dont have many 3d games at all. But the 3d movie library is consantly growing. When they quit producing 3d movies or if the next gen consoles dont ever get 3d then you can quote me and say 3d is dead.
My brother has the X1 and I have played it several times and most of the games that are available for the X1.
As for 3d...I use my 3d tv on a weekly basis for games and movies. I have actually worn my 3d glasses for 12+ hours with no problems quite a few times. It has been said already, but currently 3d is far from dead. Otherwise PD would not have added it to GT6 recently. Plus each movie that comes out every week would not be 3d. Just this week alone these are the current 3d movies playing in 3d in the theater.
- Recently - Gravity (3d)
- Recently - Frozen (3d)
- This week - Amazing Spider-man 2 (3d)
- This week - Godzilla (3d)
- This week - X-men Days of Future past (3d)
- This week - Captain America Winter Soldier (3d)
- coming soon Maleficent (3d)
- coming soon Edge of Tomoorrow (3d)
- coming soon How to train a dragon 2 (3d)
- coming soon Transformers Age of Extinction (3d)
- coming soon Dawn of the planet of the Apes (3d)
- coming soon Planes Fire and Rescue (3d)
The 3d movie library is growing almost every single week. More proof 3d is far from dead from a different thread.
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I do agree that they dont have many 3d games at all. But the 3d movie library is consantly growing. When they quit producing 3d movies or if the next gen consoles dont ever get 3d then you can quote me and say 3d is dead.
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Ok...but I still think it will die out....Im not buying into it...I see by your name you was born is 69..if so you remember the 3D back in the 80's...true it didnt make it to the living room like now..but it died out....I feel more emphasis on clear pictures on TV (display pixels) that I do with 3D....but I was wrong last week so I guees it could happen again..=)..but my point is you holding out to buy a gaming consoule for the 3D games....IMHO I dont see it catching for gaming...I have watched a movie in 3D with no issues on my eyes, but with FPS/Racing it seems you focus more on the screen than you would in a movie...so maybe this is the reason for the headaches/eye aches.....Good luck with your waiting game....
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I don't want to get into the 3D debate to much but I can't see it ever dying out. Almost every cartoon and action movie that releases now is in 3d and people seem to love it. With the oculus releasing and other VR headsets coming out 3D is going to get even bigger. I'm not a big fan of it in the movies it just doesn't look natural but it looks amazing on the oculus rift. I doubt it ever leaves now.
Also comparing it to how it was in the 80s is crazy. I rember jaws 3D. That wasn't 3D, it was terrible. The PS4 is probably going to have to support 3D make Morpheus work.
It kind of amazes me though that neither company has said anything about integrating 3D into the new consoles.
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Im old but I wasn't born in 69. I was born in 77. The "69" represents something quite obvious if you look at my avatar and my name and my sig......
Also I never said I am "holding out for 3d specifically for gaming", I use my PS3 3d mainly for movies. I simply want it for 3d. I use the 360 and PS3 for 3d gaming.
Another thing, the 80s movies in 3d required red and blue lens glasses which sucked and darkened the movies. The new 3d glasses use clear lenses. 3d has massively improved with technology and will only get better. As technology improves even further, we wont need 3d glasses anymore.
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This is where I got the impression you holding out for 3d for gaming....I guees I missunderstood....the written word is a bitch sometimes....
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I've heard people say this before as an arguement as to why 3D will fade out, Yet these people fail to mention that 3D in the 80's was utter crap, 3D today works and works well. I will point out that DVD also failed when it 1st came out then made it a few years late, So my point is what happened in the 80's has no baring on what will happen with 3D today
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