Thoughts on the Magazine Cover Competition

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This is by no means meant to downplay the skills that many here on GTPlanet have shown while participating in Photomode Magazine Competition. However, I want to discuss something that I’ve been wondering about since I entered my first comp.

Let me start by saying that I understand this is an Internet competition that in the grand scheme of things means relatively little. However, none of us would compete if the recognition of actually ‘winning’ this didn’t mean something. When you think about it, none of us would even be playing GT4 for that matter.

When I started participating in this particular competition, I thought the objective was to create a magazine cover using shots taken via GT4 and make it as realistic as possible. Meaning, if I walk into Barnes & Noble or other newsstand, I could possibly see some of the entries on the magazine rack. Now when I think about this it not only applies to the design process of my cover, I’m also looking for these design elements when I vote. On a newsstand, the whole idea is to excite the casual browser enough to pick up the magazine. Everyone wants to be the first guy in-the-know about something cool.

None of us are working for a magazine with an art director overseeing our design efforts, BUT, if all of us are trying to improve upon our existing, or for some of you, ‘new’ Photoshop skills, shouldn’t we be looking more closely at design elements, readability, layout, and overall aesthetics when we’re designing/voting? That is to say, when you look at a particular cover you should think to yourself, "if I saw that at B&N I would have to pick that up and check it out."

If this is what you feel you’re already doing, then by all means ignore my comments. But, I don’t see this as the case. I think everyone should look a little closer when they’re designing and voting, and really think about the aforementioned elements.

Perhaps we should have more in-depth critique’s. Either within the entry thread, in the poll, or perhaps a separate thread where we can pick apart each others work. I think it could help the quality of the work produced by not only the regular PS guys that are around, but the newcomers that need/want the help.

Feel free comment on this good/bad/indifferent. Its meant to start conversation on the topic…….so start conversing.
 
Easy$$
This is by no means meant to downplay the skills that many here on GTPlanet have shown while participating in Photomode Magazine Competition. However, I want to discuss something that I’ve been wondering about since I entered my first comp.

Let me start by saying that I understand this is an Internet competition that in the grand scheme of things means relatively little. However, none of us would compete if the recognition of actually ‘winning’ this didn’t mean something. When you think about it, none of us would even be playing GT4 for that matter.

When I started participating in this particular competition, I thought the objective was to create a magazine cover using shots taken via GT4 and make it as realistic as possible. Meaning, if I walk into Barnes & Noble or other newsstand, I could possibly see some of the entries on the magazine rack. Now when I think about this it not only applies to the design process of my cover, I’m also looking for these design elements when I vote. On a newsstand, the whole idea is to excite the casual browser enough to pick up the magazine. Everyone wants to be the first guy in-the-know about something cool.

None of us are working for a magazine with an art director overseeing our design efforts, BUT, if all of us are trying to improve upon our existing, or for some of you, ‘new’ Photoshop skills, shouldn’t we be looking more closely at design elements, readability, layout, and overall aesthetics when we’re designing/voting? That is to say, when you look at a particular cover you should think to yourself, "if I saw that at B&N I would have to pick that up and check it out."

If this is what you feel you’re already doing, then by all means ignore my comments. But, I don’t see this as the case. I think everyone should look a little closer when they’re designing and voting, and really think about the aforementioned elements.

Perhaps we should have more in-depth critique’s. Either within the entry thread, in the poll, or perhaps a separate thread where we can pick apart each others work. I think it could help the quality of the work produced by not only the regular PS guys that are around, but the newcomers that need/want the help.

Feel free comment on this good/bad/indifferent. Its meant to start conversation on the topic…….so start conversing.
Amen ...
 
You basically stated everything I do when I cast my vote. I bring up each image in a new window, look at it and try to picture it on the stands at the store. If i'm not able to do that, then obviously the person didn't try hard enough. Design and creativity are the key, everyone should remember that for when they're making the covers, and of course, when they're casting their vote for which one is best. 👍
 
I think the best thing to come out of the magazine cover comps is that people are learning new skills and how to apply them in a relevant environment. The competiton side comes a distant second, at least that's what I get out of it. We all know that votes go to the most popular image, which may not necessarily be the best one in a technical or composite sence.
 
Brock5000
We all know that votes go to the most popular image, which may not necessarily be the best one in a technical or composite sence.
< ... raises had to show that he has been a victim of that very thing > :indiff:
 
lol, its natural to do that, it just shows what grabs your attention off the rack, you would've grabbed the one with the coolest shot on the cover, or at least a cool car or somethin? lol
 
I'm using this mag comp just to practice more with photoshop. I don't care too much about winning (it is a little dissappointing if I don't get a single vote :) ). Most of the time I don't muck around with photoshop cause I can't think of anything to create, but now there's someone every week saying, "Here's a theme, make this!" so now I've got something to work with. Plus the competition is extremely hard, so it's more of a challenge.

I might actually get mine done before the deadline this week, making it the first mag comp I've joined.
 
My Left Yarble
I'm using this mag comp just to practice more with photoshop. I don't care too much about winning (it is a little dissappointing if I don't get a single vote :) ). Most of the time I don't muck around with photoshop cause I can't think of anything to create, but now there's someone every week saying, "Here's a theme, make this!" so now I've got something to work with. Plus the competition is extremely hard, so it's more of a challenge.

I might actually get mine done before the deadline this week, making it the first mag comp I've joined.
Go for it!
 
Brock5000
We all know that votes go to the most popular image, which may not necessarily be the best one in a technical or composite sence.

Thats pretty much my point here.

Shouldnt the votes go to the best technical design rather than the most popular? If we're all trying to improve upon our design skills then shouldnt those points be taken into consideration when we vote?

I agree with you that this is a perfect place to hone your PS skills. But in the same regard I think we should be a little more critical of each others work if we want to see the competition improve. Rather than just be lazy and vote 'poular' take some time to really critique each piece.

The popular vote got us (the US) our President....you see what a cluster-**** thats turned out to be. :crazy:
 
Vicious VP
Go for it!


Actually, I'm a little worried at the moment. I chose the mag name as 'Spun' and chose a green amuse S2000 for the cover, and coming on these forums today I realise it looks and sounds just like one of your mag covers (well, both short titles, similiar meanings and both start with S). So I was worried people might think I just tried to rip it off your cover. I apologise in advance if I upset anyone :nervous:
 
My Left Yarble
Actually, I'm a little worried at the moment. I chose the mag name as 'Spun' and chose a green amuse S2000 for the cover, and coming on these forums today I realise it looks and sounds just like one of your mag covers (well, both short titles, similiar meanings and both start with S). So I was worried people might think I just tried to rip it off your cover. I apologise in advance if I upset anyone :nervous:
No, no, no, no, no! It is all good! Your entry is great ... as I said in the other thread. 👍
 
Hey ... how about this?
since the compo used to have an extra reward made by who picked the theme
so how about everytime the poll is up, the person who picked the theme also picked which cover design is most technical ... then I will place the reward in the first post of the poll, which is like BlazinXtreme did
 
Yeah I thought the Designers Choice Award, as it used to be, was a great idea. Although I think that an explaination as to why it was chosen by the 'judge' would be an added bonus. That would give them the opportunity to pick it apart and not only comment on the good design elements but the ones that he/she did not care for. You could actually be getting some constructive criticism rather than just...'dude, your cover Rocks!'
 
Vicious VP
Wow ... and your IN Texas! Hahahaha!

I didnt vote so I really have no basis to b**ch. But its not like the other choice was any better. And for the record....I think Dubbya is an idiot. From TX or not, makes no difference to me. He's the leader of the free world and he cant even give a speech. WTF :crazy:
 
I found a problem with "designer's choice award"
as Easy$$ suggested the theme picker would criticize what's good about his choice
but the problem is ... the theme picker may not able to come to the forum very often
so the choice could be delayed or disappear

for the theme choice, if the winner couldn't response in time, I will make the decision for the new theme
but for the designer's choice award will be difficult to do since I am not good at this
so I am thinking maybe let Vicious VP or someone who really good at design to be the backup for the award picker
so what do you guys think?

ALSO I have no idea how to make the award looks great
maybe some of you can post a sample here
or any idea will be great
 
franz
I found a problem with "designer's choice award"
as Easy$$ suggested the theme picker would criticize what's good about his choice
but the problem is ... the theme picker may not able to come to the forum very often
so the choice could be delayed or disappear

for the theme choice, if the winner couldn't response in time, I will make the decision for the new theme
but for the designer's choice award will be difficult to do since I am not good at this
so I am thinking maybe let Vicious VP or someone who really good at design to be the backup for the award picker
so what do you guys think?

ALSO I have no idea how to make the award looks great
maybe some of you can post a sample here
or any idea will be great

Yes I think Vicious would be good to run the choice award section, as he has skills in PS so he can pick the good looking entires as well as the ones that skill is involved...
 
but worst thing is ... the person can't win the award if he is picking the best entry
 
franz
but worst thing is ... the person can't win the award if he is picking the best entry

To be honest i don't think Vicious would mind not winning, he is probably the best PS designer on here and he might like to choose the best of the rest.

Maybe you should ask him and see what he says.
 
I will do what is needed of me. If I were not able to enter the contest and a participant, I would like the option of creating a cover that has what you want to look for in it for that particular theme.

A I posted earlier: ask these questions of YOUR cover, and see if it passes the test.

Does it have good/great/awesome:

  • Picture content - do the pics fit the mag
  • Picture Quality - are they good shots. Are they clean shots (not covered in GT4 "muck")
  • Text Quality - is it clean and not fuzzy or jaggy.
  • Text Content - does what you read make sense and is in good grammar
  • Graphics Quality - anything "hand made"; how does it look
  • Interest Factor - would you buy it
If it meets all the design criteria, then you should have a good cover.

It is kind of like a recipe: if you follow the steps, you should end up with favorable results.
 
franz
the person who picked the theme also picked which cover design is most technical ... then I will place the reward in the first post of the poll, which is like BlazinXtreme did

When you say "most technical," do you mean "using the most Photoshop techniques?"

I hope not, because there is much more to good design than piling up PS tricks. The concept should be good -- solid enough to build a believable magazine. Contrast, alignment, repetition and proximity do a lot to affect the over all "flow" of the page, and should certainly be examined.

I guess my biggest point is that when doing things on computers, there tends to be a lot of stress on "computery" things like bevels and glow and the like. Good design needn't rely on those things and so shouldn't be judged solely based on them.

What I like to see is a creatively, thoughtfully executed concept. Not to say it can't use bevels or glow, sure -- use them if they work, but work that relies on them to exist wouldn't get my vote.
 
robofunc
When you say "most technical," do you mean "using the most Photoshop techniques?"
I feel that they mean the cover that is the most technically accurate - the one that is the cleanest and that uses the tools in PS to create the best overall cover. Like: font choice, text placement, how clean the BG is (by that I mean how PS was used to clean up after the the PS2), title creation (if other then a standard font), created graphics, etc. All the stuff that is a GOOD use of PS, because the most filters used in a design is usually NOT a good thing.
 
Vicious VP
...All the stuff that is a GOOD use of PS, because the most filters used in a design is usually NOT a good thing.

Exactly. You guys seem to have your heads on straight. I've participated in some stuff in the past (not gt-4 related) that boiled down to a "most usage of 3rd-party filters" kind of deal. Gnarly looking stuff, to be sure. Guess it's got me all paranoid...
 
I think Vicious's design criteria sounds great
do you guys think letting the pro decide the winner of the designer's choice everytime better? or let the theme picker do the job better (if the person can submit his choice in 3 days after the poll is up)?
 
I'm cool with letting Vicious do it, as long as he promises to judge by the guidelines he's laid out and lot let style influence the decision too much (which I'd say he seems perfectly capable of).
 
Vicious VP
I feel that they mean the cover that is the most technically accurate - the one that is the cleanest and that uses the tools in PS to create the best overall cover. Like: font choice, text placement, how clean the BG is (by that I mean how PS was used to clean up after the the PS2), title creation (if other then a standard font), created graphics, etc. All the stuff that is a GOOD use of PS, because the most filters used in a design is usually NOT a good thing.
I can't make titles for crap nor anything else for that matter. I reckon your criteria is tops and such a person should be giving out the designer awards, :D:tup: :cheers: hats off to you VP!
 

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