thumbs down for skylines

[Mike Rotch]

hi all, this is my personal opinion, but i must say skylines are a huge let-down. They get toasted by cars of similar horsepower and are perennial understeerers. Their only endearing trait is their sweet looks.

My case study is a beautiful silver R33 gt-r vspec at 539 hp. Gets toasted by RUFs with lower hp, and generally pulls slow times.

Very disappointing

 

[lefrog]

Indeed,

the only one I am keeping is the silhouette. That's quite nasty if you remember GT1, the skyline used to be quite..eeerr...violent.

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by Mike Rotch
hi all, this is my personal opinion, but i must say skylines are a huge let-down. They get toasted by cars of similar horsepower and are perennial understeerers. Their only endearing trait is their sweet looks.

My case study is a beautiful silver R33 gt-r vspec at 539 hp. Gets toasted by RUFs with lower hp, and generally pulls slow times.

Very disappointing

Of the Skylines in the game you have managed to choose the worst of the three, and hung your hopes on it.
The R-34's are better looking, and just plain better cars.
The R-32's are the best looking, lightest of the bunch.
In real life the R-33 is the most complicated and worst handling Skyline of the bunch. I believe that this has carried over in GT-2.
With the Skylines in GT-2, if you want great handling you have to play with the LSD settings. If the front and rear differentials are set the same, you are indeed going to experience MASSIVE understeer. I usually run my front diff settings at half of whatever I run at the rear. Learned this over time with the UNISIA GT-R, applied it to my street GT-R's.
Also, the gearing on some of the Skylines is wonky. As is the gearing in the R390 GT-1 road car. Once you've got those two little problems licked you will be happier with the performance of the Skylines.

 

[Mike Rotch]

ill give the settings a crack, but to me they still feel like they lack significant grunt (eg nismo 400R + Preceid, 270R). Is the NISMO gt-r in the second hand garage any good?

 

[Joey]

It's really the same as the other JGTC GT-Rs. They're supposed to be RWD, but I don't think they are (in GT2).

 

[RazorGTR]

It's all in the tuning. Although I personally never mucked with the R33's even the R400 as they were ummmm shyt.
I used to take my R32 GTS-t which was tuned to just under 400 hp and race in the 496hp races and stomp the lot. The GTR's well it takes a lot of fiddling with. For one remove the anitspin completely. Waste of time and kills the turning ability. Also don't try and accelerate hard when you're only 1/3 the way through a corner. You have to wait until you pass the apex.

I was quite dissapointed in GT2 about this as these cars are not like that in real life. Contrary to popular belief they corner just fine from the factory.

 

[Gil]

The 270R isn't a Skyline. It's an S-14 Silvia.
I agree with Razor, the R32 has usually been my "workhorse" thru my GT 2 games.
And actually there are a few things about the Ruf that you didn't take into account.
1. If you spent as much on the R33 as you did just purchasing the Ruf, you'd have some competition.
2. Try the Mine's R-33 against the Ruf. I think that with both cars with no mods, you might see more similar performance. If you go equal cr. on each car the Skyline will very likely hold it's own. The four wheel drive versions of the Ruf's are so cost prohibitive. That you may not be able to add enough mods to the Mine's Skyline to match the cost of the Ruf.
3. Alois Ruf makes each of his cars individually, to the specs of the customer. The Skyline is a mass-produced car.
4. With the RR configuration, you will have better handling in the Ruf. All you have to do is lift off the gas a bit in the corners and it should try to bring it's rear around. The caveat is that the Ruf will be easier to spin out.

Now most of this is theory. I've always felt faster in the Skylines. I'll pull out my "super-save" tommorrow and see if my theories bear themselves out.
I'll get back to you.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by Gil
The 270R isn't a Skyline. It's an S-14 Silvia.
I agree with Razor, the R32 has usually been my "workhorse" thru my GT 2 games.
And actually there are a few things about the Ruf that you didn't take into account.
1. If you spent as much on the R33 as you did just purchasing the Ruf, you'd have some competition.
2. Try the Mine's R-33 against the Ruf. I think that with both cars with no mods, you might see more similar performance. If you go equal cr. on each car the Skyline will very likely hold it's own. The four wheel drive versions of the Ruf's are so cost prohibitive. That you may not be able to add enough mods to the Mine's Skyline to match the cost of the Ruf.
3. Alois Ruf makes each of his cars individually, to the specs of the customer. The Skyline is a mass-produced car.
4. With the RR configuration, you will have better handling in the Ruf. All you have to do is lift off the gas a bit in the corners and it should try to bring it's rear around. The caveat is that the Ruf will be easier to spin out.

Now most of this is theory. I've always felt faster in the Skylines. I'll pull out my "super-save" tommorrow and see if my theories bear themselves out.
I'll get back to you.

Thanks for getting back to me, 'bird man.

My bad about the 270r I think i was meaning to mention the "prince" skyline in the second hand lot

Before i condemn the 'lines, I'll def give the r32 a run out (with a decent amount of time spent on tunin )

to answer about the RUF:

1) True
2) True, but cost isnt a problem, so long as you buy quality - as good a reason as any to stay away from astons...
3) True, but that is in real life. In gt2, all cars are essentially individualised ( is that a word )
4) I like my RUFs, unrough, that is 4WD

My main gripe with any skyline (incl the tommyk 's) is that they just feel slow in a straight line, even with big hp. Im sure you feel it too, eg the Focus Ghia. It looks good on paper, but just misses something somewhere when the right thumb goes forward.

But, i will try the othert models before i call out the undertaker.....no, not Big Evil....the other one

 

[Gil]

I have to agree that GT-3 has made me see Skylines in a different light.
The standouts for 4WD are the TommyKaira ZZ-II, and the Lancers.
The Ruf CTR in GT-3 "feels slow", and unweildy, but is actually wickedly fast. I felt faster in the RGT, but the clock told the real story.
As a result, in my GT-2 restarts, I try for the Spoon S2000, and my second car is usually the Denso Sard Supra. My Third is the Speed 12, which gets sold and now, I'm on my way to being "rich".
In GT-2 I acutally do feel faster, and more in control with the FR Skylines. I have lost the skill of futzing with the diffs in GT2, cause GT-3 makes it so easy to change the distribution of power.
The best R-32 in the GT2 is the Mine's R32.5. The only thing I don't like about the Mine's cars is that they are geared for brutal acceleration, but have no real top end speed, without some tweeaking.

 

[Gil]

Okay,
I have run some comparisons on this issue in the:
Ruf CTR2, (532HP/516.4lb/ft of TQ) Vehicle weight: 2797 lb.
Mods were Port/Polish, Engine balance, Wt. Redux 2, and Super Soft Tires.
Mine's Skyline R-32.5 (618HP/457.6 lb/ft TQ) Vehicle Wt. 2943lb.
Mods: Super Soft Tires and Wt Redux 3.
Mine's R-34 (618HP/491.3lb/ft TQ) Vehicle Wt: 3020 lb.
Mods:Super Soft Tires and Wt. Redux 3.

The first thing I noted in this test was that the Ruf had a full liter(62 cu. in) advantage in engine displacement. Hence, the better torque figure.

I ran all three cars on the 0-400 meter track. Each car got three runs. 2 with manual trans (I started out in 2nd gear the second try) and 1 run with Auto trans.
From fastest to slowest.
Skyline R-34: 10.609sec.
Skyline R32.5: 10.645sec
Ruf CTR2: 10.994sec.
The suprising thing to me was that every one of these cars were faster with the Auto.

For quickness I ran each of the cars two times at the 4WD challenge (Laguna Seca).
From Fastest to Slowest:
Skyline R-34: completed the race in 2'49.147 with a fast lap of 1'21.674 and a high lap speed of 148.18mph.
Ruf CTR2: completed race in 2'49.369/fast lap: 1'21.856 with high speed of 144.84.
Skyline R-32.5: completed race in 2'50.127/fast lap: 1'22.451 (failed to record speed).

Handling-wise the Ruf was the standout. I only started going fast in the Skyline (R34) when I started driving "slower", and braking earlier, etc. I had a keck of a time simply keeping the R-32.5 on the track. It would go from mild oversteer to mad understeer if I lifted off the throttle mid-turn.
The Ruf would start to bring its tail around the corner with a mid turn throttle lift. But getting back on the gas brought it back in line. Very Tossable car.

 

[cmviper]

The GT-Rs have awsome accelaration but the understeer heavily into and out of corners. The get creamed on the starights. I was heavily disapointed at the Mines GT-Rs, all of them, 618Hp and they drive like hell.

 

[lsutiger7]

once again, old thread

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by Gil
Okay,
I have run some comparisons on this issue in the:
Ruf CTR2, (532HP/516.4lb/ft of TQ) Vehicle weight: 2797 lb.
Mods were Port/Polish, Engine balance, Wt. Redux 2, and Super Soft Tires.
Mine's Skyline R-32.5 (618HP/457.6 lb/ft TQ) Vehicle Wt. 2943lb.
Mods: Super Soft Tires and Wt Redux 3.
Mine's R-34 (618HP/491.3lb/ft TQ) Vehicle Wt: 3020 lb.
Mods:Super Soft Tires and Wt. Redux 3.

The first thing I noted in this test was that the Ruf had a full liter(62 cu. in) advantage in engine displacement. Hence, the better torque figure.

I ran all three cars on the 0-400 meter track. Each car got three runs. 2 with manual trans (I started out in 2nd gear the second try) and 1 run with Auto trans.
From fastest to slowest.
Skyline R-34: 10.609sec.
Skyline R32.5: 10.645sec
Ruf CTR2: 10.994sec.
The suprising thing to me was that every one of these cars were faster with the Auto.

For quickness I ran each of the cars two times at the 4WD challenge (Laguna Seca).
From Fastest to Slowest:
Skyline R-34: completed the race in 2'49.147 with a fast lap of 1'21.674 and a high lap speed of 148.18mph.
Ruf CTR2: completed race in 2'49.369/fast lap: 1'21.856 with high speed of 144.84.
Skyline R-32.5: completed race in 2'50.127/fast lap: 1'22.451 (failed to record speed).

Handling-wise the Ruf was the standout. I only started going fast in the Skyline (R34) when I started driving "slower", and braking earlier, etc. I had a keck of a time simply keeping the R-32.5 on the track. It would go from mild oversteer to mad understeer if I lifted off the throttle mid-turn.
The Ruf would start to bring its tail around the corner with a mid turn throttle lift. But getting back on the gas brought it back in line. Very Tossable car.

Sorry for the late reply dude - i musta missed the original reply, and Isutiger - I hear you

Thanks for the comparison Gil. I was surprised that the times were so close, but i fear that the results may be different in a 2 player battle. The fact that the Ruf is a better handler and tossable still makes it the outright winner for me

 

[lsutiger7]

btw it's lsutiger with an L

 

[vette_7t9]

Well said every1. Skylines handle like crap. Can any1 think of a worse car? The Mitsu 3000GT also sucks ass like the skyline. You gotta go through EXTENSIVE LSD surgery on these things to get it right. It took me hours, and even days to make my Skyline R34 GTR VSPEC handle like my good old Vette. LSD settings are my secret! Neva giving them out, ever! Now gotta tune my 3000GT, god dammit.

 

[bla]

It took me hours, and even days to make my Skyline R34 GTR VSPEC handle like my good old Vette.

I don´t drive r32s except for Tommy Kaira´s m30 wich is ok; the r30 silhouete is great, the r34 is cool, the racing r34s and r33s are very competitive and finnaly the r33 wich turns a bit like an elephant but overall I like skylines. Respect your love for vettes and all but none of my vettes even with equal hp can come close to the distant rear lights of my tunned r-34.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by lsutiger7
btw it's lsutiger with an L

, te he, my bad