Time Trial Discussion

[crome]

Alright, after my second session in the BMW tonight it is really starting to click. Yesterday wasn't so bad either: I was in the gold zone after just a few laps and then relatively quickly dropped to a low 1:50. Naturally I wanted to conquer the 1:49 (mostly for bragging rights here ), but it just wasn't gonna happen. I must have had at least five 1:50.0xx laps, but I always messed up in the last sector.

Today started out similarly, but then I finally figured out a better line through the chicane (more turn-in for the initial right-hander, which opens up the following left). With that I could finally enter Club 49.

I won't post the lap though, because I believe I can go faster. Actually, I don't just believe it, the game told me so

This is a pretty ridiculous optimal, and I am not sure if I can replicate this again, but at least a few more tenths should be in the cards.

Disclaimer: as avid visitors of this thread will know, I am a shameless proponent of CSA a.k.a "Steery Cheat Mode", and just like the last time we visited this track in the 190 back in February, it feels particularly cheaty here. So if you struggle, or are simply curious what it does to your lap times, try it for yourselves.

Happy lapping!

 

[Vule]

it will (probably) go into the 48s and then I'm done

Ta-daaa!

It was a nice lap, of course I cannot take the final chicane for the life of me and I keep losing 2-3 tenths easily there compared to the top ghosts, but 48s are 48s, I'll take it and forget that this layout exists

 

[VSpec_R]

Big push with the M3! 😮‍💨

 

[skydragon49]

Hello there!

This car is so much fun.... I remember I got the same excitement and joy when we had the Red Bull time trial with a BMW M3 '89 evolution.

Am I becoming a BMW enthusiast now? 😅

Anyways, I digress.... Friday night, another time trial session, another improvement.

The lap:

Spoiler

(hints, points to improve and advices are most welcomed)

 

[Dolph Drago]

I was going to celebrate my lap, but then @Vule and @VSpec_R had to post theirs first to make mine look meh.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I never thought I’d say this about any of the VGT “cars” but I’m really enjoying this event and learning this track. First session of the weekend (yes, I know it’s Friday) with a goal to improve upon my previous 2:40.1 best.

Well, ta-daaa as @Vule would say 😂. Super happy with the lap, and the optimals look very interesting!

 

[skydragon49]

Hi there! (It's me again, sorry)

Another tenth gained with the M3 '97. New PB down to 1:50:659. I want to think the gold is now secured. 😎

The lap:

Spoiler

 

[D-Mind]

I'm afraid i'll keep the Genesis TT at silver, its just too long laps for me to want to grind to gold.. BMW M3 TT looks like fun, even though it kind of moves like a brick on sports hard. 😅 But it reminds me of the time trial with the Mercedes a whole while back and i had a great gold there so who knows 😁

 

[Chris30]

I was going to celebrate my lap, but then @Vule and @VSpec_R had to post theirs first to make mine look meh.
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Don't worry mate, at least you are almost in the top 100! That's a special rank IMO. Keep going if you can...

 

[hyperspeed980]

Considering how well I did with the 190E here, I almost felt like it was mandatory for me to make history twice.

 

[ScottPuss20]

@Chris30 there's no point spewing out all your thoughts at any given time, because you will find yourself making contradictory statements. Don't tell yourself that it's going to be easy and then complain when it's not. Lower your expectations and just see where each time trial takes you before jumping to conclusions. Do a few laps to understand what you're dealing with before focusing on specific problem areas. If you feel like you're braking to early somewhere, brake later. If you feel like you're turning into a corner too late, turn a bit earlier. Focus on the little things and you will see the times fall.

 

[Chris30]

@Chris30 there's no point spewing out all your thoughts at any given time, because you will find yourself making contradictory statements. Don't tell yourself that it's going to be easy and then complain when it's not. Lower your expectations and just see where each time trial takes you before jumping to conclusions. Do a few laps to understand what you're dealing with before focusing on specific problem areas. If you feel like you're braking to early somewhere, brake later. If you feel like you're turning into a corner too late, turn a bit earlier. Focus on the little things and you will see the times fall.

Or the more simple thing for me to do is to just do the TT's and shut up, and only worry about bronze/silver. Gold is not on my mind anymore thanks to TumeK5 for talking some sense into me the other day. Actually no one needs to complain about any TT because they should be used for fun, not for trying to be better than everyone else.

@Gomario JSP Wow, you're 78th. Awesome, soon enough you'll be in the professional alien league. Keep it going.

@crome Welcome to the 49 club, enjoy your fame and glory.

 

[Vule]

Actually no one needs to complain about any TT because they should be used for fun, not for trying to be better than everyone else.

Well that's just not true I'm always trying to be better than @Dan_Tes or @bliprunner for example, but more often than not, fail in my mission
But that's the beauty of it, searching for those last thousands, perfecting the lap, otherwise I would just do the gold and leave it, like I used to do before.

 

[Gomario JSP]

Morning folks,

Most of my time went in the snow sliding this morning but did take some time to hop in the Beemer, I gained some real time on the Suppadupaquattro corner compared to my best sector and had quite a descent hairpin exit, I struggle with that, so squirly in 2nd .
Seems like a sloppy lap and was kind of surprised it was reasonably fast

So maby a but agression pays off on the M3,
The rest is pure throttle controle, very fun challenge!

Have a great weekend you all

Or the more simple thing for me to do is to just do the TT's and shut up, and only worry about bronze/silver. Gold is not on my mind anymore thanks to TumeK5 for talking some sense into me the other day. Actually no one needs to complain about any TT because they should be used for fun, not for trying to be better than everyone else.

I'm sure other users, like our @Gomario JSP complained/bitched about it when they first started the TT's a little while after gt7 came out. But after a lot of practice they started to grow and get much better.

@crome Welcome to the 49 club, enjoy your fame and glory.

I don't get it, am I missing something here?,
Sure I express if I don't like something about the combo, but bitching is a big word, besides most of the TT's I find quite amusing

 

[zaxs]

Great lap @Gomario JSP

Before next Gran Turismo, you will probably be in top 10 company...

 

[Gomario JSP]

Great lap @Gomario JSP

Before next Gran Turismo, you will probably be in top 10 company...

Thanks buddy! 😁😁

 

[Famine]

I'm sure other users, like our @Gomario JSP complained/bitched about it when they first started the TT's

What the hell? Why are you calling out another member at random?

Remember that DM I sent you which you then decided didn't need to be private and posted on Discord? Go and read it again, but this time heed it; you're slipping back into old, bad habits again.

Edit: I think that instead of just editing the post, making a new post to tell me you've edited it, and telling me to go look at the edited post to prove it's been edited (which I can already see, because I'm not a moron), you owe @Gomario JSP an apology for this totally random jab at him. And you need to do what I said in the second paragraph, because part of the DM I sent you a while back included comments about you just straight-up ignoring advice - and you've ignored the advice contained in the DM...

 

[TumeK5]

Chris not heeding advice and ignoring? Shocker!

 

[Chris30]

@Gomario JSP Hey, I'm sorry I called you out earlier, I need to take it out on who it belongs which are my narcissistic grandparents because they spoiled me back then and gave me anything I want and I didn't have to do any work for it much. I like watching all your videos and battling out there on the track,

Just forget about what I said earlier. My mom even said I need to change my attitude in life. The world does not revolve around me.

 

[Gomario JSP]

@Gomario JSP Hey, I'm sorry I called you out earlier, I need to take it out on who it belongs which are my narcissistic grandparents because they spoiled me back then and gave me anything I want and I didn't have to do any work for it much. I like watching all your videos and battling out there on the track,

Just forget about what I said earlier. My mom even said I need to change my attitude in life. The world does not revolve around me.

Apology accepted Chris

 

[Ian JB]

Hi,

Meanwhile, in another part of the forest.....

I have worked out what I am doing wrong with the BMW at Dragon Trail - Gardens! Having watched a few laps and had a wee small practice. I am driving the car like I stole it. Trying to wring every last 10th out of a lap. That said, I managed a half decent lap of 1:50:7xx.

Having just watched Gomario JSP's lap, I know now that I need to drive it like I am being chased by a gang of Columbian Drug dealers who have mistaken me for a guy that owes them 40 million dollars and they are going to chop me into little pieces if I don't pay up by 6:00pm today!!!

That is one he** of a lap Gomario!

Best regards to all here.


Ian.

 

[Gomario JSP]

Hi,

Meanwhile, in another part of the forest.....

I have worked out what I am doing wrong with the BMW at Dragon Trail - Gardens! Having watched a few laps and had a wee small practice. I am driving the car like I stole it. Trying to wring every last 10th out of a lap. That said, I managed a half decent lap of 1:50:7xx.

Having just watched Gomario JSP's lap, I know now that I need to drive it like I am being chased by a gang of Columbian Drug dealers who have mistaken me for a guy that owes them 40 million dollars and they are going to chop me into little pieces if I don't pay up by 6:00pm today!!!

That is one he** of a lap Gomario!

Best regards to all here.


Ian.

Drive like you stole it Ian 🤣🤣
I must admit that this was the most agressive approach of all laps on the multiple lefthander by yeeting it for the first apex in 4th, feels good too 🤣

Thanks mate!

 

[Ian JB]

Hi,

Cheers! I will have to try that approach in my next session. This combo is great fun. Wayyyyy better than the Nurburgring Sprint and that infernal GTR.

I am still confused by the way that pile handled. 😳

Best regards.

Ian.

 

[Chris30]

Let's all be thankful for what we have, GTplanet wouldn't be alive without @Jordan and the other mods. Good luck with the new Dragon Trail event Ian!!

 

[KK78]

Into Gold at Dragon's Fail Jardin, took about 8-9 laps and there's lots of time to gain. Still, I'm at a crossroads of whether to go nuts with this one because, on the one hand, it's nice to have a slack-bottomed Bavarian classic to throw about. Still, on the other, it's around a layout that just winds me up with its weird cambers, bumps and propensity to ruin a decent lap just because a kerb didn't like the way I was looking at it.

Either way, I'm sure I will need to return... and congrats to those crazy folk who are already in the sub 1:50's

 

[ZevZoq]

Somewhat unexpectedly took another half-second off at DT this morning. Which now means I'll have to devote the rest of my weekend to trying to get gold! lol...

 

[Chris30]

Into Gold at Dragon's Fail Jardin, took about 8-9 laps and there's lots of time to gain. Still, I'm at a crossroads of whether to go nuts with this one because, on the one hand, it's nice to have a slack-bottomed Bavarian classic to throw about. Still, on the other, it's around a layout that just winds me up with its weird cambers, bumps and propensity to ruin a decent lap just because a kerb didn't like the way I was looking at it.

Either way, I'm sure I will need to return... and congrats to those crazy folk who are already in the sub 1:50's

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Congratz to you too mate for making it to the 1'50.000 club. You have a lot of potential in you.

 

[ZevZoq]

Congratz to you too mate for making it to the 1'50.000 club. You have a lot of potential in you.

Chris, if you take a moment and read back thru the thread you should note that when most of us post, it will generally be something specific relating to the current TT events...usually an update on our progress along with an associated screen shot showing our time and maybe a vid of the lap. On occasion maybe that's not true and it's just a joke or unrelated comment but mostly it's true. If you look at your posts on the other hand you'll see that almost none relate specifically to your progress in the current events. Often you are posting comments about other people's progress or general comments about what you are "going to do" to master the event - stuff like eating some pizza or going to bed. You almost never post an update showing your actual progress, which is sort of the primary concern here right? It might be a good idea for you to make an effort to limit your posts more to the actual progress update type of post and less to the personal or cheerleader/friendly banter sort of posts. Most (not all of course but most) posts should be related to actual progress updates...or in the event you feel progress isn't going to happen then just a simple "think I'm done with this one" post and then there's not much more to say till the next one. Just a thought...

 

[feral and bad]

Well, 2 sessions no improvement. I guess it is time to do something else. My turn to be the rabbit (or sitting duck) for @Jeje6410 to catch on this one.
I tried to catch @crome (great time, mate!!), but every time I had a good split, the chicane got me, No luck with trying steery cheat mode either.
Finally, whoever decided that an invalidation on the chicane invalidates the next lap can ** my **.

 

[GT_Tuga]

Here's my weekly report on the current TTs:

Spoiler: GT-R Silver

I actually like this particular course of Nurburgring, played it a lot during my time in Gran Turismo 6... there's some very tricky corners in there! But, of course, pretty much ANY CORNER is going to be tricky when you're driving this late model GT-R, its handling kinda surprised me, and not in a good way... I mean, it's not terrible but I certainly was expecting something a little more "planted" than this.
This TT was probably one of those where having smooth steering inputs and exerting only the right amount of brake pressure on EVERY corner was key to be successful, with a very large emphasis on the "braking" part more than anything... I tried my best, it turned out to be a great way to exercise my trail-braking, and even managed to have some fun with this event.

Finally took a (small) bite off the famous french Croissant:

This is where I'm standing after some 25-ish laps. This time I wanted to challenge myself and see how far I could get without watching any videos... so being roughly 1 sec off from Silver isn't all that bad, at least to my standards.
What a wild horse this car is, especially coming out of corners. Definitely had to do the "formula one" approach here and make sure I only feed the throttle when the car is completely straight... also had to make use of 4th gear more often than not when coming out of the corners to try and get a chance of pressing the throttle as early as possible, but that strategy might be hurting my lap time as well.
I had to use the "steery cheat" on Weak combined with TCS 1. The track itself isn't all that hideous, once you learn it properly it can be quite enjoyable, but that last corner before the finish line still baffles me, it's so deceiving!
I might try to break into silver territory, which shouldn't be that hard given the high amount of corners available... we'll see.

And after the croissant, I topped it off with some sausages:

So far I only managed 4 laps here, and only 1 was actually a valid lap (was too busy doing some power sliding to get those rear tires up to the right temperature, purely for scientific purposes ofc).
It was merely an "exploration" lap as I like to call it, just to get to know the track and car.
I totally see myself making it into Silver territory... Gold? It's too early to tell, but probably no.
There's some sketchy corners in there, and I still need to find a way of actually being fast with this car.
There's a fine line between just being aggressive and being aggressive while keeping the car under control at the same time.
I already watched some of you guy's videos and I immediately spotted a lot of things I'm doing wrong, so there's plenty of "road" to be driven and a lot of time to be found.

PS: on a side note, I can't help to notice we've been getting a lot of TTs here at Dragon Trail over the course of the last months... maybe it's just a coincidence, maybe Kaz just likes sausages which is fine...

OR maybe it's a sign of things to come! Maybe the next big update will introduce a vehicle which would be down right PERFECT to tackle pretty much any of the Dragon Trail layouts:

Spoiler: The Wienermobile!!

You heard it first from me! We might be on to something here, Kaz is cooking! 🤔 🤣
DISCLAIMER: In case you didn't notice, I'm being sarcastic (or trying to..) but nonetheless I'd like to see this thing being added to the game... if we can get an ambulance or a friggin' Tank Car from Jay Leno, why can't we have one of these?!

And with that bombshell, I'll see myself out.