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First attempt at Tsukuba. Nice to have a wet track for a change. Aiming for a 1:07.

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Man that looks slow and sluggish.

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First outing at the Sarthe.
Nissan R92CP in its untuned form is a whole different beast, lsd accel calls for turning down!
Totally raw form withouth aids resulted in 3:34 of untidy lap. Next I decided to turn TCS to 1 in select places and that helped a lot.
A lap just under 3:30 with many places to improve so with this WR silver is reachable.
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Gonna try some classics next with the rotary Mazda as a favourite. Let's see...
 
Delighted to see the back of Willow Springs - posted a 1:18:040 and a 1:17:873. Early days posted a 1:18.115 or so without "studying" lap guides. Then got a bit frustrated as was making no progress on this and Le Mans, so kind of threw the towel in on Willow. Improved on Le Mans over the weekend so went back to give Willow a go - I really felt I was driving better, was doing better 1st sectors, and picked up some time in other sectors - closer to the Ghost and even beat it occasionally in some sectors. The times did not tumble, optimum times improved but even they got nowhere near gold.
Anyone who needs a lovely Irish flag on their leaderboard - especially those currently on a silver streak like me - feel free to add me - PSN is n-o-cal - PSN symbol is a solid orange circle thingy.
Added ya. (Z4E_Midnight85). I'm also on a silver streak...
 
First session yesterday evening on the Nokia 3310 setup ( are you reading with me @Dan_Tes :lol: ) resulted allready in a surprisingly 1:09.1xx, so that was hopefull, so decided to spend some time on it instead of Le Mans,

So the real first stint of practise resulting in 1:08.894..., that is 1.46% from Doodle now, that tell us, with me as a mortal person/driver that the gold should be fairly easy for most of us i think :):)

Not a bad start!

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Agonizing two days. 500-miles combined and all I got to show for it is a 0.014 improvement. And then if I do 3-5 laps without a restart I’m just teased by my optimal time getting down to 23.9-24.1 but just CANT STRING A GOD DAMN LAP TOGETHER!!! Twice this morning I crossed finish line 24.8&24.85 but got penalty on last chicane.
I will be haunted forever if I can’t shave the last damn tenth
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Today I collected my silver million from Willow Springs and broke bad twice bronze streak.

Also started with new TT.
After 115km, best time is 1:10.069
Not far from gold, if aliens won't be crazy with improvements, it will be gold medal attack.
 
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Agonizing two days. 500-miles combined and all I got to show for it is a 0.014 improvement. And then if I do 3-5 laps without a restart I’m just teased by my optimal time getting down to 23.9-24.1 but just CANT STRING A GOD DAMN LAP TOGETHER!!! Twice this morning I crossed finish line 24.8&24.85 but got penalty on last chicane.
I will be haunted forever if I can’t shave the last damn tenth
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Try to work on sector 1 and get it down to sub 31. Easier to do because if you screw it up, you can just restart without wasting extra effort :D The dunlop chicane is a pain in the butt to get right but there is SO MUCH time to be gain there. Other than that...last 2 sectors and sector 3 can be a bit more consistent....if you can always get close to your green time in those sectors you are pretty much golden :cool:
 
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I don't know if this video is useful for anyone but I've just found myself called out approximately 50 times in 11 minutes :(

I stumbled upon the same video just yesterday.
Is very interesting. Of the same person some time ago I had seen an almost hour-long video in which he did an equally interesting coaching session.

Some things I struggled to understand, partly because the video just mentions them. For others that I understood I would need a little recorded voice to remind me to put them into practice.

You must have felt called upon like a schoolboy by the teacher, as you say, I didn't hear the lecture because I was at the principal's office getting a reprimand
 
Agonizing two days. 500-miles combined and all I got to show for it is a 0.014 improvement. And then if I do 3-5 laps without a restart I’m just teased by my optimal time getting down to 23.9-24.1 but just CANT STRING A GOD DAMN LAP TOGETHER!!! Twice this morning I crossed finish line 24.8&24.85 but got penalty on last chicane.
I will be haunted forever if I can’t shave the last damn tenth
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Keep calm, and try again :lol:
I know the feeling, take a day off and try again the next day helped me in more than occasion.
You will succeed! you got this! :)
Started with new TT and I love it !!!!
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You sir..... are on fire :lol:👍👍
Great job!, TCS 0 is almost always the way to go, ( except for the F1 cars lol )
Nice!,
 


I don't know if this video is useful for anyone but I've just found myself called out approximately 50 times in 11 minutes :(

Almeida also did a written list on reddit some time ago.
Link and contents in spoilers.



This is the ULTIMATE Sim Racing Mistakes List. If you want to become the best racing driver you can be, this is for you. If you just want to have fun and don’t care about your sim racing performance, then skip it without going to the comment sections saying "I just wanna have fun" lol. Some things are just not going to be easy to solve so get ready to get out of your comfort zone.

Ready? Ok, let’s go.

1- DO NOT use the ideal racing line! This completely ****s up your vision technique and you create terrible habits. Train your eyes and learn how to scan the track!

2- Do NOT use Driving Assists! Should I really explain this one?

3- Do NOT use the Chase camera. Onboard cameras like hood, bumper or cockpit view will be much better for performance and precision.

4- Look forward! Try to aim where you want your car to go. Scan the track, don’t just keep looking right in front of your hood. Your eyes have to be looking to the next target every second. Ever heard of Guitar Hero? The good players look at the notes as high as possible, as soon as they show up on the screen!

5- Don’t get right away in a race without practicing! Learn the track and be consistent before racing to make sure you improve as a driver in the future and prevent getting bad habits!

6- Don’t turn graphics up if you can’t keep your FPS high! High FPS is essential, and if you’re stuck with 60hz, turn V-Sync off to minimize input lag.

7- Don’t get used to a wrong posture just because you started with it first and it feels natural! Make sure your seating position is proper to prevent getting hurt in the future!

8- You’re not making sure you’re using ALL the track. When I say ALL the track, I mean AAAAAALL the track. To the centimeter! You may think you are but you are NOT. Align the white lines or grass to something in cockpit view to improve your track usage consistency.

9- STOP changing your line or angle expecting the car to behave exactly the same way! Find a line, align the car with the entry kerb or something and DO THAT lap after lap!

10- STOP Braking Randomly! Find braking references to the meter and brake there lap after lap!

11- Stop holding your breath while driving into corners! This makes you tense up more than necessary and your driving will be worse. Try to breathe normally while driving. Depending on how bad your habit of tensing up is, you should be slower for a few days until you get used to it.

12- Stop releasing the brakes quickly from full pressure to zero! You’re just popping up the front tires and understeering terribly, and you’re losing many seconds per lap because of this. Learn how to trail brake!

12 - STOP STRANGLING THE STEERING WHEEL! You’ll hurt yourself and have a much less fun experience driving. Instead, use the Light Hands Technique and feel what the car wants from you.

13- Stop doing blind laps! Just doing 500 laps without analyzing your driving is the easiest way to become a terrible driver. If you only believe in talent and nothing else, you might be creating bad habits that you’ll carry forever in your driving. FIND THE INEFFICIENCIES!

14- Stop applying the brakes too slowly. There are places to be smooth, but brake application should not be slow. You should take no more than half a second between initial application and peak pressure.

15- You’re using the wrong settings because you were lazy to research the right ones! Take some time to make sure everything is perfect, and that includes steering range, linearity of the pedals, deadzones, calibration, force feedback!

16- You’re using the wrong Field of View. Use a FOV Calculator and find your ideal one. You can increase it a bit, like 10% more, but keep it close to the ideal to be more precise, even if it feels a little bit too slow!

17- Stop keeping the steering fixed while turning into the corner! You should only keep the steering fixed if your speed is fixed, and this is very rare in motor racing! You should almost always increase your steering on corner entry and decrease your steering on corner exit, continuously!

18- KEEP THE HEEL OFF THE PLATE WHILE BRAKING! Unless you’re driving with an extremely light brake pedal, you should feel the pressure on the ball of your foot, and it should naturally lift your heel just a little bit!

19- STOP turning in with 100% brakes and relying on ABS. Learn how to control the brakes with finesse. Drive cars with ABS as if they didn’t have them.

20 -Stop looking directly at other cars while racing! Your peripheral vision is good enough to know they’re there. Keep looking for useful places on the track to know where you are.

21- Stop giving way too much space when fighting for position. This makes your pass actually more dangerous as you will most likely run wide on the exit and hit your fellow competitor.

22- DO NOT downshift randomly! Pay attention to the timing of your downshifts, they’ll play an essential role in the car balance on all stages of the corner, and have an impact even on exit, of course!

23- Stop practicing if you’re tired! If you’re plateauing and not improving at all, don’t let the frustration consume you. Take a break, watch a team mate driving, get up, stretch, have some sleep!

24- Don’t turn in fast while trail braking. Your front tires don’t have infinite grip! If you’re braking, turn-in slowly. If you’re coasting, changing direction, or accelerating, turn in fast.

25- Do not drive alone all the time! Try to compare your driving with teammates, help them improve and let them help you improve. This is a win-win for everyone.

26- If you go off-track, PLEASE don’t try to desperately come back on track. If you keep turning too much back to the inside, you’ll spin right away!

27- Stop releasing the brakes in a High Downforce car consistently! You should release it slowly on a straight line as you lose downforce, but then more quickly as you turn in, so your braking trace should have TWO lines, the second one being steeper!

28- Stop releasing the brakes too much on a straight line in a low downforce car! You should keep your brakes fairly flat on the same pressure, so release no more than 10% in that phase! Start actually releasing the brakes only when you start turning in!

29- Stop driving the same way in cambered or off-cambered corners! If there’s more grip, you should force the car more, if there’s a hill, or a crest, or off-camber, you should ask for less rotation, less deceleration, less acceleration!

30- Don’t coast. Having no brakes and no throttle should be a rare situation. For 99% of the cars, you should be trailbraking until you get back on power to get proper rotation and be able to brake later.

31- Stop driving purely through understeer. This means you’re not properly using the rear grip and carrying less speed through all corners. Rotate that thing!

32- Stop relying only on steering to rotate the car! Make sure you’re also consciously using engine braking and trail braking as tools for rotation!

33- Please don’t change your line if you’re the slower car in a multiclass being overtaken by a faster class. Let them do the job and prevent crashes!

34- Don’t forget to practice your pit entries! This can save previous seconds and penalties in endurance events!

35- Stop being under the limit for the sake of consistency. You’re in a simulator, if you’re practicing, abuse the car as much as possible. You’ll learn when sliding. You will NOT learn when not sliding.

36- Stop getting on half-throttle and understeering like a pig mid corner. Find the traction limit and stay there, so you keep the rotation where it was before!

37- Stop trying to gain rotation on throttle! This is one of the most dangerous ways to spin. You’re probably doing it because the car is understeering on entry and you’re compensating that. What about making the car rotate more on entry in the first place?

38- Do not turn in slowly in flat-out corners! You should turn in slowly if you’re braking, but much more quickly when accelerating!

39- Stop changing the car setup to solve your bad habits. Try to correct the balance of the car through driving inputs before you make changes. This will help you be more liked by your teammates in endurance events.

40- Don’t increase the brake pressure mid-corner too much! Although in some cases, you have to do it to compensate for a mistake on corner entry, trying to gain rotation on the brakes mid-corner should be avoided. Use it as a sign that you made something wrong on turn-in. The perfect line has your brake trace going DOWN and only DOWN all the way to the apex.

41- Applying the brakes too fast while coming from another corner. If you start braking as fast as if you were in a straight line but with the car completely unloaded on one side, you’ll instantly lock up the unloaded side or get into ABS and unsettle the car.

42- DO NOT go straight in between compound corners! If you’re sacrificing the line of a corner to improve the next one, use the lateral grip in every inch in between to improve your exit speeds!

43- Stop using the throttle on corner entry! Only a few cars with open-differential require maintenance throttle to control the balance. In most cars, braking and accelerating are like asking them to do opposite things at the same time. And the result is a lazy and unresponsive car.

44- Do NOT turn the steering linearly on corner entry in Low Downforce cars. If the car is low downforce, it’ll have V-shaped lines, which means your steering trace should be progressive and exponential, not linear.

45- Stop relaxing and hesitating after turn-in oversteer, which makes you under the limit for a fraction of a second before you turn-in again mid-corner. Try to make micro-corrections on entry but immediately come back to using the rears, so you keep them busy at all stages of the corner!

46- Stop correcting oversteer with Active Countersteer, where you’re actively turning towards the outside. Let the force feedback do the correction for you!

47- Stop braking the same way in elevation changes! If the track is going up into a compression, sometimes you can brake up to 20% more, and if the track is going over a hill, sometimes you should brake even 50% less!

48- Stop doing the same lines in double-apexes in cars with different downforce levels! If the car is high-downforce, the distance between the apexes should be smaller, and if the car is low-downforce, the distance should be much bigger!

49- When accelerating, make sure you time the speed of the first vertical application to the traction limit from corner to corner. If the corner tends to be oversteery on exit, apply it a little bit slower, like over three tenths of a second, but if the corner tends to be understeery on exit, apply the throttle more quickly, like over one tenth of a second, to keep the car rotating!

50- When correcting oversteer on entry, focus on inducing understeer with the brake release by letting the rotation of the car be a trigger for your brake release. This will make sure your front tires are busy and optimal at all times while you manage the rear tires and oversteer with your pedal release!

If you want to be a good driver, write down the ones that you identified with, then put them to practice. You won’t magically improve, so get your **** together and be disciplined.

A bit of advertising on my coaching work: I have complete and detailed lessons ready to go on my online course, The Motor Racing Checklist. They cover all of these tips in-depth. The course has 1750 participants so far with incredible feedback from drivers of all levels. I’m also writing a book version of The Motor Racing Checklist that is being developed for years and is in its final publishing process with the editor.

If you have any question, leave a comment and I’ll respond as soon as possible!

Remember to have fun on track ;)

Suellio AlmeidaRacing Driver, Coach, Content Creator
 
Reminder to set a time early on the TT Tsukuba TT if you care about position because a lot of drivers will have exact equal times due to it being an easy TT with a slow car on an easy and very short track.

Yeah, done with that. Hopefully. Unless forced back. 1’08.595 (229th at the time of writing) will have to do, due to lack of driving pleasure I can’t be arsed to put in more than 60 kms in this one. Keeping a small eye on how much I’ll drop and how many will equal the time and/or put themselves right ahead and behind. Now onto Le Mans.
 
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try to trailbrake just a tiny bit in corner otherwise i won't make it haha, i find this a lot easier than to be completely off the brake while turning in
When I actually trail-brake correctly, it feels amazing - but I'm prob <10% successful doing do. End up either over-braking (most common) or my gradient is too fast and I overshoot it. I know that if I can ever grasp this concept on the dual-sense I can at least make it half-way up my leaderboard! I like to think in my mind that if I had pedals/wheel setup I would be much more precise on throttle and brake gradients.

This is where i wish Sophy or the game had the ability to teach/coach these types of things. But not just pass a license test by making a certain time, but more like, "mimic the trail-braking in this corner" and then get feedback like too fast, too slow, or show a line graph with time on x-axis and brake % on y-axis with optimal and yours.

@Evilmuffin - "Try to work on sector 1 and get it down to sub 31."
That's the thing! I'm up and down in that sector - I've gotten 30.3 once and 30.6-30.7 numerous times... but 99.9% of the time I get that low, I screw up Tertre Rouge - which I am renaming "Rouge de Honte", meaning "red with shame" lol. That corner plagued me all morning either turning in slightly early and getting penalty or slightly late and either lifting or praying I get back across before the end of the curbs or just as commonly, cutting turn in AND being outside the line and getting the full 1-second lol.

And while we're at it, I will never visit the village of Arnage!! Although it's aptly named because ChatGPT says its a Celtic word for "Silver" and whenever she sees that I'm in gold territory she has to knock me down a peg to keep me in silver!
 
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12- Stop releasing the brakes quickly from full pressure to zero! You’re just popping up the front tires and understeering terribly, and you’re losing many seconds per lap because of this. Learn how to trail brake!
This is where my gold is hiding behind!!
9- STOP changing your line or angle expecting the car to behave exactly the same way! Find a line, align the car with the entry kerb or something and DO THAT lap after lap!
Yep, I usually use ghost of my PB but after an hour or so this morning I found a 1:21.7xx replay in the C9. The driver was taking much more narrow angles and braking SOO LATE. When I tried replicating it was a disaster! I simply can't wrap my brain around how that's accomplished because when I re-watched and braked at the same spot 100% pressure, I just kept on going right past the apex lol.
22- DO NOT downshift randomly! Pay attention to the timing of your downshifts, they’ll play an essential role in the car balance on all stages of the corner, and have an impact even on exit, of course!
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30- Don’t coast. Having no brakes and no throttle should be a rare situation. For 99% of the cars, you should be trailbraking until you get back on power to get proper rotation and be able to brake later.
Related to #12 for me and matches feedback from this thread!
31- Stop driving purely through understeer. This means you’re not properly using the rear grip and carrying less speed through all corners. Rotate that thing!
 
Just ordered the Logitech g pro pedals as they are back in stock on the EU website. Watch out aliens...I'm coming for you 😂

I really hope that they improve my trail braking - something I only started to do "correctly" this year - I say correctly - because I am fairly certain I think I am beginning to grasp the concept and may actually learn how to do it some day.
 
1'09'151 with optimal time at 1'09'071
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I love this track and this Audi TTS
On the other hand I redid a few turns on Le Mans while trying the Sauber. Well frankly I hate this car !!! 🤮🤮🤮. I will stay with my silver medal with the Mazda. And frankly I prefer to focus on this TT
 
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:cheers: Nicely done! That's going to hold to the end I think, I'm afraid my time 1:09:571 is not good enough for Gold in the end, tried to improve, but I have reach my limit from the looks of it. :scared:
 
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:cheers: Nicely done! That's going to hold to the end I think, I'm afraid my time 1:09:571 is not good enough for Gold in the end, tried to improve, but I have reach my limit from the looks of it. :scared:
Ty!

Aww come on.
You can't reach your limit on the first day. Practice practice practice and be mindful of your mistakes.
You'll keep moving that limit forward bit by bit, even if there's a bad day or two in there.

Edit.
Here's a few thoughts on this TT:

The key here is braking technique not so much throttle control as you'll be mostly blasting out of the corners with a full throttle.

Follow the record holders ghost. Try to mimic his braking line and movements.
It's easy to spot when to get on throttle as the ghost cars weight shifts.

Don't be afraid of the water if it means you have a chance for a better line. The time loss from traction (when exiting a corner) is fairly neglible unless you are aiming for the top time.
 
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Back at Le Mans after analysing my silver lap from yesterday (3:25.702), I managed a gold lap.

I focused today mainly on out pacing my ghost from that lap. I knew that if I was ahead entering Mulsanne straight, that I'd have a good shot of at least besting that lap. My old lap wasn't too bad, but I missed the apex exiting Mulsanne straight and the right turn before the Porsche curves. Porsche curves also being a pretty slow sector, especially the left before the Ford chicanes.

So, maybe 10 to 15 restarts to get a good jump on my ghost and not incur a track limits penalty. I'd say I smashed my old PB.

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Here are some statistics for TT29 in the GReddy Fugu Z at (deep breath) Willow Springs International Raceway: Streets of Willow Springs Reverse. As I am still on holiday and away from my laptop, this is a reduced results service brought to you from my tablet. I will fill in the gaps when I get home at the weekend.

Highlights:
  • Participation was the lowest since TT14 at Nordschleife. Not surprising given it was a pretty difficult combination and the fourth difficult one in a row.
  • Only 3.8% of drivers got gold and 31% got no reward.



Drivers with gold in all TTs (to follow)
The number of drivers with gold in all TTs to date dropped from 130 to X.


  • With being away I've not spent time on this TT since probably the Sunday after it launched. Time set then held up okay as I finished 420th.
  • Gold streak maintained.
Any chance you'd be willing to tack on a halfway update for the other TT like you used to? I found that really helpful in determining whether or not I'll have a shot at a decent time during weeks when I'm kind of strapped for time. Even just a little highlight blurb on gold time vs average or a comparison to ones of similar difficulty would be really helpful.
 
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Back at Le Mans after analysing my silver lap from yesterday (3:25.702), I managed a gold lap.

I focused today mainly on out pacing my ghost from that lap. I knew that if I was ahead entering Mulsanne straight, that I'd have a good shot of at least besting that lap. My old lap wasn't too bad, but I missed the apex exiting Mulsanne straight and the right turn before the Porsche curves. Porsche curves also being a pretty slow sector, especially the left before the Ford chicanes.

So, maybe 10 to 15 restarts to get a good jump on my ghost and not incur a track limits penalty. I'd say I smashed my old PB.

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That is HUGE improvement!!

Worst thing about reading this thread during work is the insane desire to fire it up to play! There is 0-chance I'm not going to grind this until the bitter end or until I get that GOLD!

I'm going to master you Tetre Rouge and I'm going to slap your sister Arnage next!
 
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