Time Trial Discussion

[Evilmuffin]

Didn't have much time on Friday but decided to give Kyoto another go to try and get gold. At first I thought that TT was on the "easy" side so long as I can manage the car speed. When I tried it the first time, I think I posted a 1.18s after 5 or 6 laps but after 250+ miles trying to get gold, that TT is deceptively difficult, T2, the hairpin and the chicane are very inconsistent. I did manage to improve on my time and finished the session with 1.17.646, gold target is currently 1.17.606 so that's only .040 short. With it being this close, now I have to keep trying to nail that gold.

If you just want to get gold....focus on turn 1 and the last turn.

Try to hook the inside wheels to the gray part of the curb, it helps rotating the car and let you apply power early.

For the last turn, try to find a line that let you turn in without touching the brakes or downshift and apply full power before hitting the apex. Again, try to hook the inside wheel to the gray part of the curb.

As long as you get through those annoying chicanes without crashing...you should be able to gold.

 

[AshenGraey]

If you just want to get gold....focus on turn 1 and the last turn.

Try to hook the inside wheels to the gray part of the curb, it helps rotating the car and let you apply power early.

For the last turn, try to find a line that let you turn in without touching the brakes or downshift and apply full power before hitting the apex. Again, try to hook the inside wheel to the gray part of the curb.

As long as you get through those annoying chicanes without crashing...you should be able to gold.

I'll have a little bit of free time later today, I'll give that a try! I watched your replay, earlier in the week, how are you able to take T2 and the chicanes on 5th gear? I tried to do that but I keep crashing. When I downshift to 4th, while the car is stable enough but I'm thinking perhaps it's too slow! 😅

 

[Gomario JSP]

Out of curiosity.... are there still people left that are waiting on the Nordschleide certificate?, or am I the only one now? 😡🤣🤣🤣

 

[GlockPants]

2nd day at DF in the Shelby. After watching the WR lap and loading the ghost, I hit the track.

Some progress today, but there's a lot of time still to be found. I was having a bit of trouble linking together all three sectors, so I think with some more practice I can get deeper into the 1:45's.

It would've been nice to have had more than 0.1 seconds over yesterday's lap, but I was having a difficult time driving smoothly today. Still, at least it's progress.

 

[MIE1992]

Definitely struggling to get into silver range for the Bugatti VGT Gr.1 @ Yamagiwa Reverse, but on the other hand, I've been finding the car itself a lot of fun to drive, with tons of downforce that lets me drive at full-throttle for a sizable amount of the track. I think it's that one chicane that's getting me - the one after that first hairpin and at the bottom of a descent, just before before going back up.

 

[Pesselles]

Out of curiosity.... are there still people left that are waiting on the Nordschleide certificate?, or am I the only one now? 😡🤣🤣🤣

 

[kowalski__1]

Jumped into the Mustang today and improved about .300 ,with a 420 time should be safe now.

 

[Evilmuffin]

I'll have a little bit of free time later today, I'll give that a try! I watched your replay, earlier in the week, how are you able to take T2 and the chicanes on 5th gear? I tried to do that but I keep crashing. When I downshift to 4th, while the car is stable enough but I'm thinking perhaps it's too slow! 😅

You have to aim it so the outside wheels (left wheels for turn 2) will get on the gray part of the curb ...yes....meaning the entire car is almost on the grass, except for the outside wheels.

The turn-in is very important. Too early, the entire car will be over the curb and invalidate the lap. Too late, you will just fly straight and miss the 2nd part and crash.

For turn 2.....Lift at the white marking on the left and yank the car right just fraction a bit later. It is a bit of a lottery....doing it right you can start adding throttle before you hit the curb....doing it wrong and you will crash in 100 different ways.

 

[P-Courty]

I'll have a little bit of free time later today, I'll give that a try! I watched your replay, earlier in the week, how are you able to take T2 and the chicanes on 5th gear? I tried to do that but I keep crashing. When I downshift to 4th, while the car is stable enough but I'm thinking perhaps it's too slow! 😅

Have a look at my reply, I downshift through the chicane and still managed gold, it does lose a lot of speed on the straight but it is achievable 👍🏻

You should be able to load my ghost

 

[zaxs]

This evening came new minor improvement, but from the lap where I has to be in the 45's - but I just must brake too late for final hairpin and ruined everything....

Still my best so far, back to TCS 2:

I just want to break into 45s, this is my goal for this TT.
To be in 2+ seconds with world leader is great thing.

 

[Pesselles]

Does anyone know approx. what score do to be in the 10.000th on Deep Forest?
Currently, I'm 12.500th with 1:47.108

 

[GlockPants]

Does anyone know approx. what score do to be in the 10.000th on Deep Forest?
Currently, I'm 12.500th with 1:47.108

10001th place is currently a 1:46.878

 

[Pesselles]

10001th place is currently a 1:46.878

Thanks a lot, that's a very good indication.
I'll try to get gold and if possible, close or below 10.000th at the end.

 

[AshenGraey]

Have a look at my reply, I downshift through the chicane and still managed gold, it does lose a lot of speed on the straight but it is achievable 👍🏻

You should be able to load my ghost

Got your friend request, but have not been able to load your ghost.

You have to aim it so the outside wheels (left wheels for turn 2) will get on the gray part of the curb ...yes....meaning the entire car is almost on the grass, except for the outside wheels.

The turn-in is very important. Too early, the entire car will be over the curb and invalidate the lap. Too late, you will just fly straight and miss the 2nd part and crash.

For turn 2.....Lift at the white marking on the left and yank the car right just fraction a bit later. It is a bit of a lottery....doing it right you can start adding throttle before you hit the curb....doing it wrong and you will crash in 100 different ways.

Gave it another 100 miles or so, not much improvement. I have some family matters to attend so I'll give another go again at another time.

 

[OldandSlow]

Ran some with the Shelby. Now at 1:51.790. Well into Bronze, far from Silver. You guys are flyin’ !

 

[Chris30]

Dad gum it! I was ready to try the Shelby TT this morning around 5-6am, and I got real drowsy so I ended up taking a nap and woke up at 3pm, I haven't even turned the ps4 on yet. Well I'm going for the gold this time, I am not sure about the Kyoto one, unless a miracle happens within the next 2-3 days.

I have until Thursday 2-3am and then the Kyoto one will close.

 

[Evilmuffin]

Ran some with the Shelby. Now at 1:51.790. Well into Bronze, far from Silver. You guys are flyin’ !

Take your time with the car. Don't over drive and throw it into the corner. This TT is all about controlling the car and don't let it get out of shape. Brake early and keep the car under control will end up being much faster than brake late, lose control and have to wrestle it back to shape.

If you have problem getting into silver, try driving the car at 80% pace and focus on smoothly driving the whole lap without braking traction. Then slowly increase the pace....you should be able to get into silver easy.

 

[OldandSlow]

Take your time with the car. Don't over drive and throw it into the corner. This TT is all about controlling the car and don't let it get out of shape. Brake early and keep the car under control will end up being much faster than brake late, lose control and have to wrestle it back to shape.

If you have problem getting into silver, try driving the car at 80% pace and focus on smoothly driving the whole lap without braking traction. Then slowly increase the pace....you should be able to get into silver easy.

Will do, thanks. It’s a challenge to keep those old bias-ply tires from spinning. I’d love to put some air in them. 🙂

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Managed 75 miles at Deep Forest this evening resulting in a 0.9s improvement to get me down to a 46.0 - there’s a 45 in there somewhere

 

[Gorefast]

Thanks a lot, that's a very good indication.
I'll try to get gold and if possible, close or below 10.000th at the end.

Oh brilliant! Your times are usually my targets... Got you in the big bad french car but the stang will be very difficult for me. With my second account I use the game pad and am almost 1 second faster than with the wheel... 🤪

 

[seadog777]

Have improved time a little bit at Kyoto -I should be ok for bronze.🤞
If any wheel users are struggling, what helped me was to turn torque all the way down to 1 (minimum) and sensitivity down to 2.

Deep Forest is, well, ..... interesting!

 

[Pesselles]

Oh brilliant! Your times are usually my targets... Got you in the big bad french car but the stang will be very difficult for me. With my second account I use the game pad and am almost 1 second faster than with the wheel... 🤪

Congrats my friend, I've understood about the Bugatti when I saw your "message":

For the Shelby, it's much more fun to drive than the Bugatti And I'm sure you'll get a close or better time than me

 

[Gomario JSP]

Morning guys....., man i was up for a little morning session in the GT350, but was not as focused as i would have liked...
that's the problem with these guys here and these time trial.., it's not casual lapping anymore, it's desperate trying to follow some of you here and one mistake means ....yeha.. restart!

But i found out a few things this morning......,

A: if you hit a 29.850 you'll get nerveous and stuff it up on the tunnel entry for sure, and it hurts..... real bad
B: The first christmas for the cats..... decorations including the tree and focus can not be named in the same sentence......

That said.... I love the fact that you can approach this TT in different ways, but it's so difficult to be consistent with this drifting, but what i did notice is that i'm more consistent in the first sector without sliding in T1, just going to second gear and cost a bit without sliding befotre hitting it in 3th gear seems the way to go for me, and then use a little steering input as you can to open up the angle.
The rest of the sector is a nightmare for me, but seems better when i shortly lift off between T2 and T3 to prevent that uphill wheelspin.

The tunnel, that simple short right hander is a real pain in the a*s on entry, and even worse on the exit, you need to be soooo delicate and i also do lift here most of the time to prevent sliding during the exit in 3th, real handfull this thing

That bollard on the right side....., i want to kill it, but i asume a lot of you will

once you did brake on the exact right point there to get that weight transfer action going on it's a pure struggle to keep the car drifting and OUT of the wall on the right side, for me it's kind of a lottery these sectors, i have cracker sector times that put me in the 44.5 but there is one problem....... it's not in the same lap....

Glad the understeer in T14 is gone with my new rims, makes this TT a lot more fun!
But i'm finding this one quite hard and a attack for my wrist on PAD.

So key on this tt?..... Smooth and minimal steering input , just to bad is has corners

An hour this morning to go from 1:44.975 to a whopping 1:44.970

Not the cleanest lap, maby we can string it together one time .... if the stars..... and the cats....

 

[Barareklam]

i have cracker sector times that put me in the 44.5 but there is one problem....... it's not in the same lap....

whaat? is your OPT 44:5 ? 😲

 

[zjn]

As I imagined, in the Shelby TT the first sectoris the one that gives me the most trouble.
Obviously the climb with the S's is tricky, but the first corner also takes a lot out of my time.

On the first corner I have a lot of problems in braking.
I noticed that even braking completely straight 100%, without bothering to make the turn, halfway through braking the car snaps with the rear, so I am forced to release the braking force long early, well before the trail braking.
I don't understand why this behavior occurs: too much weight transfer? road surface?

The fact is that in the various replays I've seen, you can brake 100% even when going from the right side to the left side of the road, which I cannot do.

 

[Gomario JSP]

whaat? is your OPT 44:5 ? 😲

yes had a high .5 so almost 6 but i'm to inconsistent to validate it so i shouldn't be to worried about that
as for now, i'm not even in the .8's yet, sector 2 is my nemesis, i'm often gaining on Cabe after T1 but it's like he isn't braking at all untill the tunnel ..

So Optimums are nice, but you if you can't stick it, they mean ,less....
would have been a top 30 tho
but just to many room to error up on this TT so that optimum doesn't say much if you ask me

 

[half_sourly]

The fact is that in the various replays I've seen, you can brake 100% even when going from the right side to the left side of the road, which I cannot do.

I don't know about other drivers, but for me it took lots of micro adjustments during that braking period - have a look at my video a few posts up and look at the red steering dot - you'll see it goes left and right as I try to keep the car from snapping out. Other thing to try is braking 5 or 10 meters earlier and easing on the brake more; that way the weight transfer is more gentle and you are less likely to spin out.

 

[Gogga]

I got my time into the 1:45s
I loose a ton of time in the tunnel stretch. Ghosts just pull away. I need to get the left turn leading up to the long stretch correct to be able to lower my time.

 

[Gomario JSP]

As I imagined, in the Shelby TT the first sectoris the one that gives me the most trouble.
Obviously the climb with the S's is tricky, but the first corner also takes a lot out of my time.

On the first corner I have a lot of problems in braking.
I noticed that even braking completely straight 100%, without bothering to make the turn, halfway through braking the car snaps with the rear, so I am forced to release the braking force long early, well before the trail braking.
I don't understand why this behavior occurs: too much weight transfer? road surface?

The fact is that in the various replays I've seen, you can brake 100% even when going from the right side to the left side of the road, which I cannot do.

Half_Sourly is absolutely right here, just brake a little ealier and try to early apex so you have less steering input wich gives you less sliding
it absolutely does kick out when on the brakes but you can minimize is quite alot with braking early and gently already lined up for the apex.
and try to coast a bit, no need to slam the throttle on the apex.

The exit is difficult but far more important than the entry!

@Gogga congrats mate!

 

[Chris30]

I got my time into the 1:45s
I loose a ton of time in the tunnel stretch. Ghosts just pull away. I need to get the left turn leading up to the long stretch correct to be able to lower my time.


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So, how easy is that to gold? I'm wondering because I had a time earning the gold medal in the CE at Deep Forest, I know what a pain that was.