Time Trial Discussion

[Dan_Tes]

Hi friends

Feels completely insane to me to be posting again.. not often I get this much time at home these days! So it seems the Viper seems to be a thing and after trying it out a few weeks ago I gotta say I like it; bit of a struggle to be fast here as it isn’t as natural as the Genesis but yeah it’s gotta be quicker overall… it’s much easier to find a shift point at least as it has a readable rev counter!! 😂😂

 

[330_D]

I generally suck with gr3 cars and struggle sometimes to even find a comfortable gold. This one seems different. The viper without aids is an absolute hoot in VR. Might come back again. It's a quick lap so it's rather painless.

 

[eggmann]

I only have one valid lap so far with ABS Default. I will definitely be back today since I've only gotten 23 miles before my wife got home. This track reminds me of driving on the sand at Daytona Beach for a photo op.

 

[VSpec_R]

Lambo feels good to drive! A 3/10th improvement

 

[Dolph Drago]

There appears to be a nice, competitive selection to choose from at Daytona - no meta. I decided to try out what look to be the top 3 options. First was the Genesis. I can't get on with that thing. It may be the fastest option but certainly not in my hands. My best after 9 laps was a 45.7. Next up was the Ford. Sublime handling. Definitely better than the Genesis for me. Another 9 laps stint led to the 45.3 below. Then I hopped in the Viper. A bit squirrely for my liking (though not the handful we ran at Autopolis), but there's more potential than the other cars. I only set a 45.5 in my short, 6 lap session (and half were invalidated), but my optimal was better than the Ford.

Nobody answered my question about the ABS a few days ago. Is there a difference if I set it to default? I normally have it on the weak setting. Which probably means the car won't be that stable while braking during hard turns and corners, even U-turns or esses. Thought I'd ask again because I'm getting nowhere hardly. Well I'm glad there's a larger variety of Gr. 3 cars to select out there to race at Daytona. That's all I know.

I've been using weak since the latest update, but it really depends on the car and the skill of the driver. I switched to default at Road Atlanta which made the Focus feel much more stable and helped me set my best time. I may try weak again there, but I fear the lap may get pretty messy!

If you want to go faster brake earlier and accelerate earlier. If you do it the other way round you are gaining a tenth going in and losing 4 on the exit. Smooth is about flowing.

There's the old adage: "Slow in. Fast out." That holds true for the vast majority of people out there and is the safest way to take the corners. If you can learn a bit of trail braking, it becomes "slightly faster in, fast out." And if you're an alien who's mastered trail braking and all the other tricks, it's "fast in, fast out."

I remember watching a video on Youtube with Michael Schumacher and Johnny Herbert running laps at Silverstone and comparing telemetry. Herbert was no slouch, but it was wild how much faster Schumi could get into the corner AND still get turned for a fast exit. Just found it. The video 30 years old, so mind the quality. Anyway, a good explanation of how he was so quick on corner entry starts at the 2:38 mark. Braking earlier may not make you a 7 time F1 champ, but it can't hurt.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Michael's whole thing was to set the car up it would almost lock the rears, rotating the car quickly. Verstappen is similar but harder to tell on these heavy, cumbersome modern cars.

I recently rewatched highlights from 1995 to 2006 and it is clear how much Michael's car was on edge at corner entry, visibly nervous but he could cope with it.

To Daytona, not too bad i guess, until come here and see 45s, you people are Killin me. Managed a 47.4 in thr Genesis after dozens of laps in the Ford gt with a best of 47.7. I just do not understand how you guys are getting on the power so early.

 

[ScottPuss20]

There's the old adage: "Slow in. Fast out." That holds true for the vast majority of people out there and is the safest way to take the corners. If you can learn a bit of trail braking, it becomes "slightly faster in, fast out." And if you're an alien who's mastered trail braking and all the other tricks, it's "fast in, fast out."

I remember watching a video on Youtube with Michael Schumacher and Johnny Herbert running laps at Silverstone and comparing telemetry. Herbert was no slouch, but it was wild how much faster Schumi could get into the corner AND still get turned for a fast exit. Just found it. The video 30 years old, so mind the quality. Anyway, a good explanation of how he was so quick on corner entry starts at the 2:38 mark. Braking earlier may not make you a 7 time F1 champ, but it can't hurt.

Yep, this reveals why the controller is at a disadvantage. Or perhaps why I am. I can't make a bunch of little steering corrections through the corner or else I lose control. I'm more like Johnny than Michael on the steering trace. As for the accelerator, I'm probably closer to Michael as I try to ease off the power gradually before picking it back up again. I think my brother has a SLIGHTLY better handle on the steering compared to me but his throttle control is lacking. It may be why I have the edge on him in most circumstances.

 

[NicoGmbh]

Since November, I moved from the pad to the Logitech G Pro.

At Spa, I did a short session with the Dualsense.

I was surprised to see that in some sections I could be more serene and efficient with the pad.

My braking was better and more constant at the turn of the Source.

The NSX was less unbalanced if I bit the right vibrator of the Raidillon.

I missed less my entrances to Malmedy.

On the other hand, I was better with the steering wheel at the end of the circuit, especially in Pouhon, Blanchimont and the bus stop chicane.

In the end, my times started to get closer to my PB and by insisting, I think I could have reproduced it.

With this little test, I would say that we have a great ability to adapt to our environment.

 

[Chris30]

Since November, I moved from the pad to the Logitech G Pro.

At Spa, I did a short session with the Dualsense.

I was surprised to see that in some sections I could be more serene and efficient with the pad.

My braking was better and more constant at the turn of the Source.

The NSX was less unbalanced if I bit the right vibrator of the Raidillon.

I missed my entrances to Malmedy.

On the other hand, I was better with the steering wheel at the end of the circuit, especially in Pouhon, Blanchimont and the bus stop chicane.

In the end, my times started to get closer to my PB and by insisting, I think I could have reproduced it.

With this little test, I would say that we have a great ability to adapt to our environment.

Are you using the face buttons? (X and square) or are you using a different configuration setting? I've never used a Logitech before and never will, I'd have a better chance improving using a ps5 controller than a standard wheel with setup. You are right, everyone on here can adapt and take action in getting very low scores/times. But we have to work for it, it won't fall in our lap.

 

[NicoGmbh]

Hi @Chris30

I started on PS1 with the directional cross, face buttons and without vibration with the first DualShock.

I resisted the use of steering sticks and triggers for a long time.

Partly because I used to change gears with L1/R1 and, for me, it was not practical to accelerate and brake with L2/R2.

The older ones know... on GT3, I golded the time attack of the String complex with the Ruf with the cross and face buttons. From memory, it was epic.

I’m not sure but I think I changed my method with GT HD Prologue.

Now, the Dualsense is such a good controller that from the beginning I used the triggers for acceleration and braking, the face buttons for gears, and the stick for steering.

I also find that PD has greatly improved controls over the years.

In its style, GT7 is a perfection for me.

Have a nice day

 

[Chris30]

And I begin to wonder what PD will do for gt8. The controls will be even more outstanding and confusing, but it will always mimic the basic concepts of driving. I'll post more runs of my Road Atlanta Ford Focus later this afternoon, but right now I need rest.

The good news is I'm already in the 1'36.000 club trying to battle my way to gold.

 

[zjn]

Somehow triggered by the fact that this week we have the quite extraordinary occasion to have Road Atlanta in both TT and RaceA, even though in different cars, I noticed in @Tidgney tutorials two very different ways to approach the last couple of turns before the finish line.

TT on the left:
in the uphill section he aims for the yellow dotten box line
in the downhill for the right curb
this allows to get the very last right hander full throttle

RaceA on the right:
n the uphill section he aims for the yellow solid box line
in the downhill for the inside of the rubber on the street
this is enough ge get the very last hander full throttle

In the spirit of teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish...
The theoretical line seems to be a mix of the two, maybe the RaceA uphill and the TT downhill, if we look at enlarging the corner angle.
What is the process that leads to the different results?

It's trial and error, just experience wisdome, minimizing the distance (RaceA), looking for the full throttle (TT)?

I'm not sure I'd been able to get the same results in term of racing line without beeing noticed of the expected result.

Thanks

 

[Gomario JSP]

I have fond memories of when we last visited Daytona in the 911 back in November 2023. I had not yet switched to MT (partly because I still had my used G29 with half-broken paddles), somehow made it into the top 1000 for the very first time, and I distinctly remember that I felt like I was punching way above my weight.

Fast-forward a year, and I still kind of feel that way everytime I activate steery cheat mode 😄, but there‘s no denying that, thanks almost exclusively to this great community, I am in a very different place than a year ago. You guys are the best.


And Daytona is again nice to me it seems. Obviously it‘s only the first day and most folks are still on their warm-up laps, but for now at least I‘m the only one on my friends list below 1:45. Waiting for you here 😜

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I lazily used what appeared to be the Meta at the time (the Genesis), but tables have turned and now there are two Vipers at the top. Will try that as well.

Spoiler: The lap

Happy lapping!

That's not a bad start mate!


And from my perspective you are absolutely one of my leaderboard nemesis people, people like you make me want to be faster and i need to otherwise i'll be down on my own board in no-time
So yes you are most def. in another place compared to last year...., it's a difference of planets

🙏🙏🙏

 

[crome]

That's not a bad start mate!


And from my perspective you are absolutely one of my leaderboard nemesis people, people like you make me want to be faster and i need to otherwise i'll be down on my own board in no-time
So yes you are most def. in another place compared to last year...., it's a difference of planets

🙏🙏🙏

Thanks so much! One of the beautiful things about this place is that, no matter on which level you are or how much you're progressing, you can always find matching nemes...ises? (looked it up, it's "nemeses" )

 

[Lomic]

Thanks so much! One of the beautiful things about this place is that, no matter on which level you are or how much you're progressing, you can always find matching nemes...ises? (looked it up, it's "nemeses" )

I'd like to have a bit less nemeses 🤣

 

[Ian JB]

Hi,

Seat time at last! Yippeeee!

Having tried several different cars at Daytona. The Viper seems to suit my driving style best of all. That said, I cannot remember Daytona being this difficult??? I registered my highest ever ranking here. (Until recently)

@newmedia_dev...

"All that said hats off to all you viper guys! That's a handful to hustle!"

That is strange to me. The Viper - to me at least - feels the most 'planted' and stable around here. I now just need to sense where I can really push the car. 1:46:6xx as it stands.

Looking forward to this one!

Best regards to all here.

Ian.

 

[snc]

 

[Nakano219]

This seems like a good time trial to test out various cars and find a favourite.

Because if the Viper of all things is working, I have to imagine most cars can...

 

[Gomario JSP]

I did a few laps on RA this morning but was absolutely garbage and could not get S1 to work whatever i tried...
fastest i did see was .222 and that ain't gonna cut it for a sub 32, so after some time i switched to the Viper for the last few laps.
what i did first was watching nr. 1 , well..... that was kind of handy, almost all exits in 3th and a very steady 4th gear on the busstop.

Binned some way better setups before the chicane but at least i did find another 2 tenth

I think my goal on these GR3 trials is to stay around the 1.50% .... a top 100..... def a no go

 

[bliprunner]

When I tried the Viper yesterday I thought I'd need to switch to the Genesis eventually for a few extra tenths... but looking at the leaderboard now things look a bit different... 2 tenths advantage to the 🐍🏁

Nice spread of non Viper/Genesis in the top 100 though: Corvette (P17), Huracan (P29), Ford (P32), McLaren (P48), Lexus (P64), Vantage (P75) and Supra (P96)

 

[KK78]

I managed Gold at Spa which was pleasing as I only had about an hour to nail it (it's a busy time over here with stuff) I Jumped on the Focus TT and boy that's fun, I will enjoy having another go to try and improve my gold time over the coming days.

Then on to Daytona, a track I find fun but weirdly jarring (it's a me thing) and hearing there is no meta makes me wonder what car I can pick 🤔

 

[Vule]

I needed to take a break from Road Atlanta, I had 2 sessions after my initial 31.934 but couldn't make the first sector work whatever I tried.

This Daytona TT is like a breath of fresh air Even though I really don't like driving here, too many bumps for a Gr3 car on RHs, too many low speed corners where you really need to manage the throttle on exit, but it is what it is.

First session this morning:

There is still a lot of time to be found in literally every corner, I lose a lot in the first right hander, just can't get the power down early enough without spinning, and the same story is at the left hander at the exit on the first part of the straight. But it's a fun one for now, we'll see how it goes later on

 

[Evilmuffin]

Good to hear Muffin

Yes GR3 here on hards... i don't like it, i like the struggle on track, i like the lack of understeer and love the amount of oversteer when hitting throttle, but that busstop is one of the worst in history on this combo.
I tried remote nokia for a few laps and smashed down the laptop..
what an absolute hideous end of a nice flowing lap , i was hoping it was better like with the 911 we did here ( i think my fastest TT placed 29 ) .......... but it's just..... , are you in 4th or 3th with the viper?

4th on the Viper, the car has plenty of low end grunt to make higher gear works. The problem with the Viper is it does resist rotating a bit during turn-in, and too low of a gear during exit can spin the car 🤪 And yes...bus stop...getting it absolutely right and getting it right is nearly 3-4 10ths difference 🫠

 

[Evilmuffin]

Went to Daytona and try something different....a Corvette. The car drives pretty good and ended up 3/10s faster than previous with the Viper.

And yes...stupid bus stop

 

[Lomic]

Man, those TT are a full-time job 😅 just ended my suffering at Spa and there's already 2 "new" TTs to tackle.

Went back to RA for my first 10 laps stint. Already did a 1 lap try on the first day, plus 5 laps on the 9th. Best time was 1:36.163, improved a bit on my 10 laps, but most of it was learning the combo again. Lot of time to gain still.

Best lap 1:35.674, optimal 1:35.166

Spoiler

After that quite frustrating experience I told myself that I needed so more masochism, so I went to Daytona, picked the Ford, the slower ghost I could find in the world rankings (around 1:44.88X) and started to learn the combo.

But I am far more comfortable here than at RA with the roly-poly Focus. Quite a learning curve ahead but there's hope to reach gold (although aliens will push the treshold further too).

Best lap 1:47.396, optimal 1:47.001, medium lap 1:48.167

Spoiler

 

[NevilleNobody]

Lomic our times are almost identical and also just as inconsistent. I am struggling with the two right handers, if I take the traditional line the exit is tough, lots of wheel spin or slow to avoid said wheel spin. If I square up the corner the exit is much better but i lose time due to missing the apex.

 

[manou]

New TT with Gr3 cars :

I did it with a McLaren 650S.

 

[NicoGmbh]

Wow, guys you scare me !

Not to mention the R8G and PRIMA e-sport drivers that broke .44


I quickly tested the NSX JGTC in Daytona at the opening of the challenge.

I am away from my rig since and I see you all faster than 2-3 seconds... and in addition, you are artists with your beautiful photos.


Glad to see that the choices are open between several Gr.3 (even if I find that no one is willing to drive a Peugeot ).


Looking forward to driving this weekend to have some fun with you.

 

[Lomic]

(even if I find that no one is willing to drive a Peugeot ).

you did not specify anything more than "drive a Peugeot", like getting gold with a Peugeot, so... I'll try, even for one lap 😁