Time Trial Discussion

[bluealpine]

This car said "put your hands on my hips"
I said "I just want to have fun..."

...and gold

 

[eggmann]

Now it’s just a question of ABS default or weak; the latter seems to be what the world record lap was set using but I’m finding myself consistently slower than with it on default. Any thoughts folks?

I'm a second slower than you, but... I've observed ABS Default vs Weak is largely a personal preference, with each setting calling for a slightly different racing line. At Daytona I could set nearly identical lap times with either one. For me Default required slightly earlier braking, and Weak meant more challenging exits. When I turn CSA on, I almost always opt for ABS Weak, since its instability is mitigated; with CSA and ASM off I often prefer Default.
Another factor I've recently noticed is, with ABS Default "brake in a straight line" is less mandatory. I believe Default more closely mimics real-life ABS systems in consumer cars.

 

[Dolph Drago]

I am surprise dhow aggressive Dolph's lap was (replay at top of this page). He is turning in very early but man he had 3 moments where he was mm from death.

Yeah, I had a few "Code Brown" moments on my lap.

 

[Chris30]

Sorry for the delay, the video hasn't been uploaded yet. I wonder what would happen if I put ABS to default, it may not change anything. See, we're dealing with hard tires. The temperature shouldn't affect anything either.

@bluealpine I'm glad everything worked out for you, the Testarossa wouldn't work with me in Sector 3, it was a nightmare, here's the video guys.




At the first turn (Graham Hill), I should have braked a few seconds sooner and kept my car to the left that way I could have clipped the apex correctly and got a fast exit speed coming from the corner.

T2-4: The turn under the Palmer bridge was fine, but the next turn, I did not clip the corner that well, as shown here which cost me some time. So I'll have to watch someone else's replay and see what line/path they take.

Ok, this section here I was hesitant on when to brake and press on the throttle again, this tells you my PTSD from the invalidated laps(red clock), or should I say the evil clock!!

Same thing happens for T7 and T8, didn't clip both apexes fast enough which could have chopped some of my time off, Dolph does it much differently as I saw in his run last night. Oh, I tried the different triggers last night and this morning and it felt more awkward for me so I switched back to the face buttons for steering/braking.

This turn here was acceptable(my line). And the last bit was okay.

 

[Talon16]

• A V12 is indeed heavy upfront

H12 and mid-engine.

 

[Famine]

H12

I was waiting for this 😁

It's a flat-12 but it's not an H12. In fact it's a 180-degree V12.

The term "flat" often catches people out. All it means is that the cylinders (and piston travel) are directly opposite one another and doesn't describe the engine operation itself.

An H ("horizontally opposed", or boxer) has each piston attached to its own crankpin - with opposed pistons both travelling up or down the cylinder simultaneously - whereas vees have two pistons on each crankpin and moving in opposite directions (one down the cylinder while its sibling goes up). The Ferrari is the latter.

 

[skydragon49]

Hello there (am I a Daytona fan?)

I went back to Daytona to test drive more cars and put 3 more of them into the current gold range (1:46:7)

Corvette Gr3 (1:46:246)


Mazda RX Vision (1:46:508)


Renault RS GT3 (1:46:554)


All cars were not driven more than 10 laps each. ABS weak and TCS 1 in all laps, except for the Renault with TCS 0.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

It's a start! Still rocking the opt of 36.6 so I have more to go. This is pure joy when I find the rhythm but pure agony when the right tyre nips the tiniest pixel of grass.

Not the strongest in road cars so a top 500 finish is where I'm happy here. Happy lapping folks!

 

[Chris30]

It's a start! Still rocking the opt of 36.6 so I have more to go. This is pure joy when I find the rhythm but pure agony when the right tyre nips the tiniest pixel of grass.

Not the strongest in road cars so a top 500 finish is where I'm happy here. Happy lapping folks!
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Wow man, you're on fire. You'll need the firefighters to wash you down with water, xD. It's pure agony when I can't find my groove on the track. Off I go to try to polish my lap. Also, got a new PB of 1'43.934. L-shooter's in 4th, hmmmmm. He must be struggling too to find his rhythm on the track.

@Talon16 you mean V-12 engine.

 

[TheHun99]

I recently signed up for @half_sourly's list earlier to ensure that I'm true to my signature and to be the last of the GTPlanet community. So far, it didn't quite work out for the TTs since my sign-up... After getting my second ever silver with the Focus RS at Road Atlanta (somewhat personal bias, back in 2006-2008 I had a Ford Focus ST, the one with the turbo inline-5) the Daytona TT arrived. I watched @Tidgney's video and went with the 911 RSR (Porsche fanboy here) and got to 1:49:18 or so and felt that I can get silver here. I saw that the Viper gets some serious credit, so just tried that - couldn't even go around once in 10 or so tries, not for me. Then tried the F1 GTR, shaved off a tenth but after the first lap I couldn't get better. OK, let's try the GTLM/GTE Ford GT, I mean if it worked for Tidgney... It was frustrating that I went below 1:48.5 2-3 times, just always on red laps because I messed up the previous lap at the Le Mans chicane At the end though I did get a valid 1:48.507. I know that I could get closer to 1:48 but don't have a time and I'm happy with another silver as a barely bronze driver, yay!

As far as the Testarossa at Brands goes... man, I love that track but simply can't get a good lap in any game with any car My first valid lap (2nd/3rd total) got me a solid bronze (+7.5%), I hope that that's gonna be enough as I'm gonna be away in business travel for the next 2 weeks.

 

[Vule]

Well this was such a frustrating and terrible experience, I can't remember the last time I developed such a hatred for a specific combo like this Viper - Daytona one So bumpy, I'm so inconsistent, it's crazy. Sometimes I do a .400 first sector, sometimes .650, every single corner is a different story with each lap, unbelieavable. And don't get me started on the oval exit, it's pure luck to avoid major bumps and get a proper traction. I don't even know why I came back to try again, I guess it's the optimal time from day 1, so it had to be done at some point.

First proper invalidated lap of the night:

JUST invalidated in the bus stop by like 2 milimeters on exit, I sent it like a madman but it didn't stick as I hoped, I had my best S3 split on this lap by far...

But I kept it going and finally made some progress:

And the worst thing here is that I did this lap with a .530 first sector which is abysmal, my personal bests were .360 and .370, which would put me literally at 1:43.999 but every single time I do a good S1 (which is very rare) I screw up somewhere else. This lap was perfect apart from S1, every single next sector was my personal best, I don't know how, it's just the Viper at Daytona things...

I will put this to rest and off I go to Brands Hatch finally

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Well this was such a frustrating and terrible experience, I can't remember the last time I developed such a hatred for a specific combo like this Viper - Daytona one So bumpy, I'm so inconsistent, it's crazy. Sometimes I do a .400 first sector, sometimes .650, every single corner is a different story with each lap, unbelieavable. And don't get me started on the oval exit, it's pure luck to avoid major bumps and get a proper traction. I don't even know why I came back to try again, I guess it's the optimal time from day 1, so it had to be done at some point.

First proper invalidated lap of the night:
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JUST invalidated in the bus stop by like 2 milimeters on exit, I sent it like a madman but it didn't stick as I hoped, I had my best S3 split on this lap by far...

But I kept it going and finally made some progress:



And the worst thing here is that I did this lap with a .530 first sector which is abysmal, my personal bests were .360 and .370, which would put me literally at 1:43.999 but every single time I do a good S1 (which is very rare) I screw up somewhere else. This lap was perfect apart from S1, every single next sector was my personal best, I don't know how, it's just the Viper at Daytona things...

I will put this to rest and off I go to Brands Hatch finally

Hell of a lap! Nice work! .3xx for sector 1 is absolutely alien territory. I saw .427 once. I haven't been in the low .4s since.

 

[Dan_Tes]

Well this was such a frustrating and terrible experience, I can't remember the last time I developed such a hatred for a specific combo like this Viper - Daytona one So bumpy, I'm so inconsistent, it's crazy. Sometimes I do a .400 first sector, sometimes .650, every single corner is a different story with each lap, unbelieavable. And don't get me started on the oval exit, it's pure luck to avoid major bumps and get a proper traction. I don't even know why I came back to try again, I guess it's the optimal time from day 1, so it had to be done at some point.

First proper invalidated lap of the night:
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JUST invalidated in the bus stop by like 2 milimeters on exit, I sent it like a madman but it didn't stick as I hoped, I had my best S3 split on this lap by far...

But I kept it going and finally made some progress:
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And the worst thing here is that I did this lap with a .530 first sector which is abysmal, my personal bests were .360 and .370, which would put me literally at 1:43.999 but every single time I do a good S1 (which is very rare) I screw up somewhere else. This lap was perfect apart from S1, every single next sector was my personal best, I don't know how, it's just the Viper at Daytona things...

I will put this to rest and off I go to Brands Hatch finally

Agree on all points, fantastic time but yeah what a frustrating trial! This feels like another one of those where the car ‘remembers’ dirty or overheated tyres when you reset so for any serial resetters such as myself much better to go back into the menu and start again than just hitting retry

Hell of a lap! Nice work! .3xx for sector 1 is absolutely alien territory. I saw .427 once. I haven't been in the low .4s since.

Likewise, mostly in the .5s and occasionally low .4s.. when I got a pb in S1 I just went straight ahead at the first right hander in S2 😁

I did say I’d be happy with a 1:44.201 and I got close today. Optimum is in the 1:43s but like @Vule says the inconsistency in each sector is quite frustrating, just like the Focus at RA for me, I think I can improve on this but how it’ll actually all come together I don’t know.

 

[Dolph Drago]

Gained a little time in the Testarossa despite my ugly first turn. Optimals were 37.0 on my sessions like last night. Frustrating I can't put all the sectors together on the same lap.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The Testarossa is an absolute joy to drive. It feels very refined and smooth without any jittery handling characteristics to throw you off. It's a far more relaxing experience and I found myself driving around the track many times without actually improving on my lap time. You feel soo connected to the car as it turns through each corner and playing on the edge of grip is fun instead of terrifying. This combination shows just how good GT7 can be.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Sorry for the delay, the video hasn't been uploaded yet. I wonder what would happen if I put ABS to default, it may not change anything. See, we're dealing with hard tires. The temperature shouldn't affect anything either.

@bluealpine I'm glad everything worked out for you, the Testarossa wouldn't work with me in Sector 3, it was a nightmare, here's the video guys.

This is a tidy lap but you're just not using enough road. Have you tried chase cam so you can more easily see where the car is in relation to the edge of the track? On a lot of the right hander you are turning in from near the centre of the road, narrowing your angle and therefore compromising your exit.

You know the lines, your lap is neat and error free, you just need to use all the road. You're not far away.

 

[Chris30]

Thanks, I knew I wasn't using the full width of the track. I normally don't use the chase cam, but maybe I should start using that feature. There's a lot of time on the table that I can gain by using more precise lines and braking. I'm not sure how to approach it, but I'll eventually get the hang of it someday.

Also, I made some more progress at Daytona, 1'51.004. I try to adapt to the environment and what resources I have, but I still end up lagging behind in the dust.

 

[rikku-mw]

Let's start a little off-topic, but I'll get to the TT stuff, I promise

So I had these guys in the mail today (many thanks @Vule for the recommendation) ...

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and obviously I had to install them right away

I guess the blue / yellow combo is an unusually "soft" one compared to what most people seem to use, but then again I also have the load cell brake configured to just 40% of its max power. Any more would not work with my setup (pedals placed on the floor), but I'm not complaining - 40% feels firm enough for me to be honest.

Thanks @crome for this post, i missed the information before. And thanks @Vule ! I ordered right away a yellow and a blue spring and replaced (already softer) the elastormers after arrival. The feeling of braking is so much better and more natural right now.

Back to topic: I don't like BH, i'm not really good on and i don't like the old Testarossa. Well i do like it, it's my favorit Ferrari. My older brother had a 1/18-model of it and i loved it. Just i don't like it in GT7. But... after a few stints (with many laps) I managed to get the time down to 1:38,941, a safe gold at this moment with an optimum of 38,027. So there was a lot of time to gain, if i can mange to get sectors together.

Obivously I went out of gold, so I had to attack it again. I braked even more earlier, started to understand the car better and even started to like this combo. I settled down a 38:6 for the moment but optimal was even worse than before. Probably won't attack it again, but thanks to this thread I have a lot of fun even on combos, which i don't like (at the beginning).

 

[Hasnain282]

For Brand Hatch, bear in mind that the optimals will be way off due to the sector 2 split being mid corner at Surtees, so if you go deep one lap, your sector 2 will be fast and sector 3 will be slow and give versa if you take a slow in fast out approach

 

[Lomic]

every single corner is a different story with each lap

every single time I do a good S1 (which is very rare) I screw up somewhere else

Story of my life 🤣 if by miracle, S1 is good and I have gained time, I manage to lose 2/3rd of it before getting back on the oval and I loose 0.5s at the bus stop. And when S1 is bad I manage to nearly gain it all back and finish a few thousands below my best lap of the stint. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Lomic]

I wonder what would happen if I put ABS to default, it may not change anything.

Don't bother with those tiny details that barely affect aliens.

Kudos for using MT, but you should keep using stick for steering and triggers for brake and throttle.

As @NevilleNobody said, your main objective now should be to better use track width and position your car on the right place, especially when entering turns, you loose so much time by not being on the right spot and having to slow down to make the turn.

Maybe activate the trajectory line assist, at least for a few laps, so you have the trajectory well engraved.

 

[Gomario JSP]

Morning folks!

Took my mid engined V-H rotated-flat 12 something thing out again 🤣 and had a decsent session.

Took me way to long to get into the window but finally had a proper run.
Getting into the 36's is going to be a struggle for me I think.
OPT are there but no consistency yet 🤣

But I very much like the way it's balanced, they did a very good job 😁

 

[crome]

For Brand Hatch, bear in mind that the optimals will be way off due to the sector 2 split being mid corner at Surtees, so if you go deep one lap, your sector 2 will be fast and sector 3 will be slow and give versa if you take a slow in fast out approach

Yeah, I had to learn that the hard way yesterday. After I overconfidently announced that a 1:36 is possible for me, now that I actually learned how to take Surtees I can never replicate my best S2 splits anymore 😢

I think for now I'll head back to Daytona for a final session or two over the weekend, cause I'll be out of town next week,

Not the strongest in road cars so a top 500 finish is where I'm happy here. Happy lapping folks!

We're already past 75K participants and you're P55, there's no way you'll drop below P200. Amazing! (as usual lately )

 

[Chris30]

Don't bother with those tiny details that barely affect aliens.

Kudos for using MT, but you should keep using stick for steering and triggers for brake and throttle.

As @NevilleNobody said, your main objective now should be to better use track width and position your car on the right place, especially when entering turns, you loose so much time by not being on the right spot and having to slow down to make the turn.

Maybe activate the trajectory line assist, at least for a few laps, so you have the trajectory well engraved.

Thanks for telling me that, I'll change the ABS back to weak then. Well when I do activate the line assist, it feels like I'm driving slower, doesn't help. I try to be independent and not use any assists out there on the tarmac. Yes, positioning my car is the hardest part because you have to be fast everywhere, so then sometimes you miss the turn or apex and end up in the grass or sand. I'll work on it some more now and then I'll post my video.

 

[Gomario JSP]

Thanks for telling me that, I'll change the ABS back to weak then. Well when I do activate the line assist, it feels like I'm driving slower, doesn't help. I try to be independent and not use any assists out there on the tarmac. Yes, positioning my car is the hardest part because you have to be fast everywhere, so then sometimes you miss the turn or apex and end up in the grass or sand. I'll work on it some more now and then I'll post my video.

With all do respect Chris, it has absolutely no value for you bringing ABS to weak in your case, driving on the edge ABS weak can give you sometimes a little benefit in terms of rotation but in your case it will only raise the difficulty level for you.
Focus on lines and brakepoints that's where you time lies

 

[Lomic]

positioning my car is the hardest part because you have to be fast everywhere

you have your priorities in the wrong order :
1- position your car on the trajectory and do not try to be "fast"
2- you'll be faster

(especially with the Testarossa at BH)

 

[Chris30]

Ok, well I'll work on some more of it tonight when I get up. I need some rest, I wrote all the advice you guys gave me and put it in an e-mail. And I'll keep studying Tidgney's and his friends guides for further assistance with the lap. I always have TCS at 0 too which helps with the car being loose so I can find that line and angle right. Mistah, TheKie25 and SuperGT has some great guides as well on trajectory paths, lines and braking points.

 

[Jeje6410]

Hi aliens and earthlings !!!!
New test today in Brands Hatch :
I was surprised this morning by my optimal time of 1'37'640 but without being able to reach it. This afternoon, another calm session (the women went out !!! 🤣🤣) and I was able to improve my time to 1'38'063 without having an optimal time since it was the best of my 2 laps. I still have a lot of turns to improve if I want to reach my optimal time from yesterday 🤞🤞

 

[crome]

Woohoo, so glad I paid Daytona another visit. It was a hard piece of work for only 8 more hundreths, but it made me enter the top 💯 for now.

I compared my lap (see below) with @Dan_Tes 1:44.204. It‘s almost an exact carbon copy, but I lose two tenths in S3. Finding just one of them would mean climbing another 20 ranks and all but seal the deal, but I am not sure if I feel masochistic enough for another go

Come on who am I kidding, of course I will have another go 🤣

Spoiler: The lap

 

[Jeje6410]

Last test (or not 🤣🤣) for today in Brands Hatch :
Improve my time at 1'37'937 with optimal time at 1'37'543 !!!!