Tire warm up in gt5p?

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I thought this was a known fact, but after speaking with some people I am suprised that it isnt..

I have done some testing in free run and race and there is defently something happening, if its tire warm up I dont know.
My first test was in free run suz Tzayad's f430 700pp. Lap 1-3 the entry to spoon in 4th gear is little unstable, but in 4-10 lap its like it get lttle more stable and not so prone to drift. 10th lap I stopped in pit for around 3-4 min and guess what, the car needed 1 -2 laps to be able to take spoon1 in 4th gear without ANY trouble.

I f you try to drift you will notice it even more, car get more stable in weight transfer and much easyer to drift after 5 laps, also tried to cool down tires in 10th lap when drifting, and the car become instantly more twichy and less controlable.. Im not the fastest out there but I am quite consistent so I have not a problem with driving same speed in corners lap after lap, because its then you notice it when you do the same lap after lap. I feel the same in free run and race, tires get hotter and hotter...

What you think? Tire warm up/tire wear in gt5p?


And sorry for my english...
 
I initially thought there was tire warm up like you say, however after doing lots of time trialling and free lapping for the WRS, I'm not so convinced. I think a more probable explanation is that after a few laps, you get into more of a rhythm and take the corners better, even if it is a hardly noticable difference.

I good be wrong but this is what I believe based on my own observations.
 
I have heard that argument.. but I disagree, When I have raced all day on same track and it still feels cold the first laps. I have often raced for 4-5 hours straight in online and it still start over again every round... the more I drive the more i feel it..the more consistent i get the more i notice it.

paskowitz : In all testing I writing about here I was not once in sand or of track...
 
Post another thread on this subject I also had a bit of a test session, and I don't think tyre warm up is there.

I ran some laps in freerun in the 430 last night trying to beat my previous best (2'00.543). Started off just building pace and got down to a 2'01.2 after 4 or 5 laps. Once I was comfortable that I'd got used to the car I started to push harder, hitting a low 2'00.7 relatively quickly and then having a good run of 10 or so laps in the 2'00.7-2'00.9 range.

On these laps I had a consistent T1 of around 53.2-3, but I noticed my speed through Degner 1 was only about the same as my race pace at 104-105mph. I know I can hit 110mph+ on a good D1, but the risk of going off increases significantly for me at this speed so I don't tend to push this hard when racing. Started to push harder in to D1 and of course this only worked occassionally so I went off resulting in plenty of re-starts.

At the time I was really in the groove in to turn 1/2 and through the esses, and even after a re-start I was consistently matching (and occassionally beating) my 53.2 ghost up to/out of Dunlop (only to stuff it in Degner :()

A little later I ran a 2'00.555, but still only off a 53.2 T1.

Later, and again 1st lap after a re-start, I hit a 53.002 T1 (0.178 faster than my previous session best)... although I didn't manage to convert this in to the 2'00.2-3 lap I know I'm capable of hitting.

I didn't feel any grip difference between the 1st lap after a re-start and 2 or 3 laps in to a session... indeed, the grip in to turn 1 on lap 1 felt the same as it did on subsequent laps... which is where it should be most noticable.
 
Its first in lap 5-6 you really notice it, and I dont think its any faster after warm up just more stable and less twichy. I CAN do fast lap in 1.lap but find it easyer after 5-6laps.. Do you often race more then 10 laps in free run? after just 2-3 laps there isnt much diffrence, if you not drift. Try drifting for 5-7 laps and then start gripping. And in lap 10 press restart
 
paskowitz
If I am not mistaken if you go off into a sand/gravel trap your traction is reduced for a while. ???
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This is a slightly different issue. Whilst I am not convinced that tyre wear/temperature exists, I am fairly confident that for a short period after a significant off, grip levels are reduced.
 
Heh... I don't drift... not really my style (in fact I'm probably one of the worst drifters around :))

Seldom run 10 laps+ in free run without re-starting as if I'm in free run I'm pushing hard to try and find the limit... though I did run a good 15 laps or so to kick off last night.

I'll give it a go later.
 
andydavies297
This is a slightly different issue. Whilst I am not convinced that tyre wear/temperature exists, I am fairly confident that for a short period after a significant off, grip levels are reduced.
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Thats true, tire collect dirt and affect your grip for a few hundreds meter. Thats a fact and well known..



And if you gonna test for yourself, its not about speed but control and how the car feel catching oversteer, understeer etc..
 
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There is a warm up period. I'm sure of it, but I've only noticed it in races. I've not felt it in Time trials
 
For me the first turn @ Suzuka in the 111R / tuned, I'd noticed a hugh different with the traction compare to the rest of the race. Also if you stop for about 30sec and restart with the 111R, you will really noticed the difference. Just try the Lotus. With my observation, there is cold and warm tires....
 
and i say no.
i was driving in the last days many the f430 at 700 Suzi. my best time is still a 2.00,3xx(freerun), first lap 2.03,0x(online). i did often in the second lap (online) 2.00,4-5 times. ;)
 
I notice on lap 1 online that the car feels looser, as if the tyres are cold. But never noticed it in free run, but then again never really looked for it.

:cheers:
 
mr_VOLCANO
and I dont think its any faster after warm up just more stable and less twichy.
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Im not saying it is tire wear, but something is happening...

I respect everyone against me, and I know there is alot who dont feel this..



Nice times rudi :cheers:
 
i´m not against you, only i can´t feel any difference. ;)
maybe i´m not sensitive enough. :cheers: forcefeedback setting = ~ 2,5. :D
 
i dont think there is.. because when im hot-lapping i restart the lap every time that im not doing what i want... its rare to do 3 or 4 lap at once and i dont feel anything different. so my fastest laps are usually on the "1st" lap. besides if there's something, at this point, i think we already knew it...
 
I always thought I was a bit crazy, but I felt like the tires fell off during the Suzuka 10 lap races.
 
Chadwicksracing
I always thought I was a bit crazy, but I felt like the tires fell off during the Suzuka 10 lap races.
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I would lean in this direction also... always seems like the last laps tend to make you overshoot if you don't brake a little before you normally would... even if you have a comfortable lead and aren't pushing 100%...
 
meagainstyou: I have also done most of my best times in lap 1, but the car does feel more stable to me after a few laps.

You dont feel any diffrence in race either?
 
I feel there is less traction in the first few turns of lap 1, but have not noted it in free run or for a longer duration during a race. I'm hugely inconsistent and insensitive, so my opinion is likely worthless.
 
Tires need a half lap to a full lap in a race to get warm and sticky, depending on the track.

Freerun has no tire warm up. I often set my fastest lap in my first lap of a freerun.

I can run same lap times on lap 10 as on lap 2 at Suzuka 700pp 10 lapper. I would say going slower on lap 10 is because of mental fatigue.

Dirty tire syndrome is obviously there also.
 
I don't think there is tire warm up present, or if it is, its only minimal. Whether its running 10+ laps or just a few, the car to me, feels the same. Like others, I can do my best time on the opening few laps, where it should be most evident.

What I have noticed though, which is what Chadwicksracing talked about above, is that perhaps the tires go off towards the end of long races. That or if the tires are worked too hard, then they overheat and the car suddenly becomes very slippery.

Maybe it's all just imagination though :P Perhaps the tires feel like they're warming up because you're just getting into the groove of things & maybe it feels like they've lost grip just because we're pushing the car too hard and making mistakes.
 
mr_VOLCANO
meagainstyou: I have also done most of my best times in lap 1, but the car does feel more stable to me after a few laps.

You dont feel any diffrence in race either?
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not really.. i think its in our mind.. its like some kind of faith... if we believe on tires warm up.. it will seam stable in the end of the race...

look.. you think that you'll have more grip in the end of the race... and i read on this thread that it could be the other way around.. new tires.. best grip at the beginning, etc... what do we take then!? i really think thats nothing... its the same all the way... only different minds make different judgement...

buuuuuuuuut... there's one thing that im wondering a long time ago.. it seams that the race clock has some issues... because sometimes i feel that im doing a pretty good lap and its a crap lap... :ill: and other times i think its a crap lap and puuffff amazing time! :dopey: that happens only in races... never on free run or TT. maybe network failures or so... dont know... or as i said before, it could be only my mind :sly:
 
MeAgainstYou
buuuuuuuuut... there's one thing that im wondering a long time ago.. it seams that the race clock has some issues... because sometimes i feel that im doing a pretty good lap and its a crap lap... :ill: and other times i think its a crap lap and puuffff amazing time! :dopey: that happens only in races... never on free run or TT. maybe network failures or so... dont know... or as i said before, it could be only my mind :sly:
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I went into the sand slightly in turn 1 at suzuka and still did a 51.7 first split. You are onto something there MAY.
 

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