To learn basic tuning!

[lordjonio]

Hello guys!

Im a new GT player, GT7 is my first GT game and on top of that I dont know very much about cars IRL so to say the least, the tuning section of the game feels very overwhelming! I have watched some youtube videos, read about tuning in beyond the apex manual and read the in-game tooltips but im having a real hard time understanding what does what. For example in the game it tells me that if I make the front anti-roll bars stiffer I will have more understeer but it doesnt tell me what happens if i make the both front and back bars stiffer. Things like that. And maybe the answer is really simple but since I dont know much about cars I just dont see it. So what Im asking is if I want to learn the very basic of all this, where can I turn to? Is there any good homepages you can recommend or could someone of you explain the basics for me? I would love to be able to take a car that understeers alot in corners for example and using the tuning settings to make it not so much understeer. Please help a n00b out!

 

[easygtsport11]

Welcome.

My feeling is that nobody knows what they're doing when tuning. The formulas for tuning in gran turismo have always been "omitted". Meaning the makers of the game will not tell us certain things about tuning. Maybe because the math is to difficult to translate into a video game. Maybe there are just to many variables to account for.

Anyhow, the beyond the apex manual is what we know. Sort of self explanatory.

I would say focus on your "driving style" and tune your car accordingly. Being fast and aggressive or being precise and on your line requires different approaches to tuning. Also focus on the tracks. For each track adjustments can be made.

Hope this helps and have fun.

 

[CBH]

Hello guys!

Im a new GT player, GT7 is my first GT game and on top of that I dont know very much about cars IRL so to say the least, the tuning section of the game feels very overwhelming! I have watched some youtube videos, read about tuning in beyond the apex manual and read the in-game tooltips but im having a real hard time understanding what does what. For example in the game it tells me that if I make the front anti-roll bars stiffer I will have more understeer but it doesnt tell me what happens if i make the both front and back bars stiffer. Things like that. And maybe the answer is really simple but since I dont know much about cars I just dont see it. So what Im asking is if I want to learn the very basic of all this, where can I turn to? Is there any good homepages you can recommend or could someone of you explain the basics for me? I would love to be able to take a car that understeers alot in corners for example and using the tuning settings to make it not so much understeer. Please help a n00b out!

I used to use this here for other Gran turismo game, and it should work the same way for GT7. That what you want to know ?.

 

[lordjonio]

Easygtsport11 : Thank you for your information and this makes me feel not so alone since I am probably not the only one having problem with this then A friend of mine gave me a tip just to practice in time trial.... good old fashioned trial and error, just change a setting and drive and get a feel of the car and just do that over and over and get a feel for what things do and dont. But thanks again I really appreciate your reply!

CBH : That is super helpful! I will definitely read this. Thanks alot

 

[lordjonio]

Just one more question. If a tune setting "increase understeer" will that counter a car that has alot of oversteer and the other way around? So it makes it drive more straight in the corners.

 

[easygtsport11]

That's the idea. However some cars have their own character and can seem hopeless when tuning.

 

[lordjonio]

Cool thanks

 

[CBH]

Cool thanks

And another thing about tuning, try not to have a lot of driving assist On when your testing a car before making adjusting.

 

[lordjonio]

Yes, im already playing with everything off except ABS weak

 

[Serum]

Hello guys!

Im a new GT player, GT7 is my first GT game and on top of that I dont know very much about cars IRL so to say the least, the tuning section of the game feels very overwhelming! I have watched some youtube videos, read about tuning in beyond the apex manual and read the in-game tooltips but im having a real hard time understanding what does what. For example in the game it tells me that if I make the front anti-roll bars stiffer I will have more understeer but it doesnt tell me what happens if i make the both front and back bars stiffer. Things like that. And maybe the answer is really simple but since I dont know much about cars I just dont see it. So what Im asking is if I want to learn the very basic of all this, where can I turn to? Is there any good homepages you can recommend or could someone of you explain the basics for me? I would love to be able to take a car that understeers alot in corners for example and using the tuning settings to make it not so much understeer. Please help a n00b out!

Being that this is a game and everyone’s driving style is different, here’s what I tried when I first started.

Track: Suzuka east

5 laps stock suspension

5 laps fully customizable suspension running default settings

Then 5 laps making extreme changes for each setting. (Ex. Only changing rear camber to max negative, then lapping.). Make note of how the car behaves.

It’s tedious, but that’s a good way to learn your way around the games physics.

 

[wheelhp]

Just one more question. If a tune setting "increase understeer" will that counter a car that has alot of oversteer and the other way around? So it makes it drive more straight in the corners.

It's ALWAYS better to tune for understeer and learn to adjust your driving style to it. Tuning for an oversteer bias is a nightmare in this game

 

[lordjonio]

Being that this is a game and everyone’s driving style is different, here’s what I tried when I first started.

Track: Suzuka east

5 laps stock suspension

5 laps fully customizable suspension running default settings

Then 5 laps making extreme changes for each setting. (Ex. Only changing rear camber to max negative, then lapping.). Make note of how the car behaves.

It’s tedious, but that’s a good way to learn your way around the games physics.

This is a good tip, I will keep that in mind as I progress with testing my way through all the options

It's ALWAYS better to tune for understeer and learn to adjust your driving style to it. Tuning for an oversteer bias is a nightmare in this game

Ill keep this in mind. Thanks

 

[B80]

Welcome.

My feeling is that nobody knows what they're doing when tuning. The formulas for tuning in gran turismo have always been "omitted". Meaning the makers of the game will not tell us certain things about tuning. Maybe because the math is to difficult to translate into a video game. Maybe there are just to many variables to account for.

Anyhow, the beyond the apex manual is what we know. Sort of self explanatory.

I would say focus on your "driving style" and tune your car accordingly. Being fast and aggressive or being precise and on your line requires different approaches to tuning. Also focus on the tracks. For each track adjustments can be made.

Hope this helps and have fun.

Thanks alot for this. I've had this constant nag in my mind that I need to learn how to tune rather than rely on others. It really bugs me that I don't understand something that no doubt has significant impact on performance in the game.

I have this week off work so plan on spending significant time tuning cars in an attempt to understand it and make cars behave to suit my style and make my a better driver, quicker and more immersed in the game. Imagine it will be frustrating at first, but ultimately rewarding and worth the initial toil. If after hours of 'work' I decide its not for me, well at least I've addressed my curiosity and will proceed with copying the experts where necessary. Worse case I'll have bit of a clue to settings tuners use, rather than being almost totally blind like I am at present!

I'm going to use the guide you provided along with



And harmonic series which goes more in depth



Plus beyond apex manual.

Beyond the Apex

Gran Turismo Official Website

www.gran-turismo.com

Also @Tenacious D useful guide posted in another thread. Cheers for that, like your writing style mate.

The Tenacious quick (read: slow) and dirty tuning method

I hope you like essays. ;) I may be captain obvious here, but with so much clamoring for tunes, I thought I'd post my technique I stumbled into a few days ago when trying to get some race tuned cars to perform better. And Lord knows, quite a few of these beasties are a handful, especially...

www.gtplanet.net

I've spent probably thousands of hours reading/learning dry it infra tech over 20 years (although moved into mgmt role recent years as grew sick of it, totally turned off by technical stuff now ): cisco network tech, Microsoft server tech, vmware virtualisation etc - so applying similar methods, I'm hopeful/semi confident this'll click for me... we shall see! I've found stuff that seems dry, boring and difficult to learn can become really engaging/rewarding as your understanding of how it works/bigger picture of how it fits together and starts to make sense.

Better get my cafeinne stocked up first.

 

[VTiRoj]

My feeling is that nobody knows what they're doing when tuning.

Facts.

Most tuners tune by feel and lap times and can't explain why things work.

 

[madmyk]

Facts.

Most tuners tune by feel and lap times and can't explain why things work.

I like to pretend I know how things work though lol. The problem is that if you stick to rules and principles about what should happen when you make certain changes, you will miss the opportunity to find the better solution because you didn't bother to try something that in theory, should not have worked but did anyway. Harmonic covers this pretty well. It's half science, half magic.

 

[madmyk]

There is one thing I don't like though. GT7 is a driving simulator, but Performance Points is a game. It appeals to the part of me who grew up min/maxing my way through all those RPGs, but it should not be so much a part of this game. If I have a good tune that I am finishing up, why is that I can raise the front ride height by 2 and lower the PP so much I can get 10 more HP on the ECU? Or even worse, small manipulations of gear ratios and aero downforce can game the system so I can bump the ECU even more. Or this other car drives better with the frequency up by 0.10 but this time I can't lower the pp back down enough by adjusting the aero, etc.

You don't have to play the game, and some tuners here do an excellent job of avoiding it and just giving the best driving version of the car they can, but I have not managed to avoid it. The best version of the car at 700pp is not necessarily the best version of the car. Sometimes I need those extra HP on the straights, damnit.

 

[CBH]

There is one thing I don't like though. GT7 is a driving simulator, but Performance Points is a game. It appeals to the part of me who grew up min/maxing my way through all those RPGs, but it should not be so much a part of this game. If I have a good tune that I am finishing up, why is that I can raise the front ride height by 2 and lower the PP so much I can get 10 more HP on the ECU? Or even worse, small manipulations of gear ratios and aero downforce can game the system so I can bump the ECU even more. Or this other car drives better with the frequency up by 0.10 but this time I can't lower the pp back down enough by adjusting the aero, etc.

The PP should never effect the tuning side of things, and that means it should not have been in the game. PD should get rid of this unrealistic stuff and never bring it back in the game.

 

[Keras]

Hello guys!

Im a new GT player, GT7 is my first GT game and on top of that I dont know very much about cars IRL so to say the least, the tuning section of the game feels very overwhelming! I have watched some youtube videos, read about tuning in beyond the apex manual and read the in-game tooltips but im having a real hard time understanding what does what. For example in the game it tells me that if I make the front anti-roll bars stiffer I will have more understeer but it doesnt tell me what happens if i make the both front and back bars stiffer. Things like that. And maybe the answer is really simple but since I dont know much about cars I just dont see it. So what Im asking is if I want to learn the very basic of all this, where can I turn to? Is there any good homepages you can recommend or could someone of you explain the basics for me? I would love to be able to take a car that understeers alot in corners for example and using the tuning settings to make it not so much understeer. Please help a n00b out!

I'm kind of dealing with the same issue. Not so much with suspension related components of the game. I can generally work those out pretty quickly. My issue is gearing in a fully customized transmission.

A little bit of backstory so you'll kind of know what I'm dealing with. I've played every GT game that has come out. Spent a lot of time in GT Sport which was kind of a dumbed down version of GT7 in a way. The issue is when I race online, I almost exclusively race on the Nurburgring Nordschieife. I know that track like the back of my hand. I'd venture a guess that I've lapped that track well over 20,000 times since 2004 in games. The only tracks I concentrate on is Nurburgring, Le Mans, and Spa because they are my favorite tracks. The other issue is, I play on a controller. That doesn't bother me because I've perfected the controller to "my" preferences and I've never used a wheel. One because I just don't really want one and two, if I did I don't have the space for a full rig in my office.

I almost strictly run Group 2 cars because I find them to be the most fun. The three cars I run are the GTR Nismo GT500 16, the Lexus RC F GT500, and the NSX Concept-GT. The fastest lap I've turned on Nurburgring is with the NSX at 5:37 and change. That number changes often depending on one of those three cars and how I tune them. But right now the NSX is at the top of "my" board. Respectable time on that track. The issue that I have is gearing. Finding the right gear set for any of those three cars to keep them in that perfect powerband when entering or exiting a corner. Switching back and forth between the graph is clunky and is really no help. But the biggest issue I have with gearing is the top end. I can keep up with most everyone in the corners but once we get to the straights is when they start to pull away. That is where I can't find that perfect balance between cornering speed and the finial drive. I know I'm not doing something right but I just can't put my finger on it. If I change one then the other changes. So either I'm blazing around the track and leaving everyone behind or I'm slower in the corners (while still taking a perfect line) only to be outrun by someone that is running a faster car. I can not find that perfect mix of both.

I've run against streamers often and there is a bit of satisfaction knowing that I can keep up with them running full racing rigs while I'm using a $70 controller. But I've raced this guy from England often running the same NSX that I am and he is putting up monster numbers (in a race I might add) at around 5:33 to 5:31. His car is just faster. The only thing I can think of is he has perfected his gearing. I can keep up with him in the corners but he slowly pulls away throughout the race. Once we hit the final back straight it looks as if he has 7-10 mph on me.

My only advice that I can personally give is if you make a change, only make them in small increments and only one at a time. Test that change to see if it makes a difference. Then go back and make any other adjustments. The issue is if you change one thing in the tune you will be changing something else with the vehicle that could have a negative impact. Basically what I've come to realize that it's all trial and error. And it takes either a degree from MIT or... hope you just happen to land on that perfect tune that fits your playstyle. And even then? It could possibly be improved upon.

So if there is anyone out there with a good tune for the Group 2 Nismo, NSX, or Lexus? I'd love to see what you use and how to balance cornering speed and top end on the Nordschieife.