Too much control?

[Jubby]

Hello, I'm not brand new to drifting, but brand new to serious drifting. I've done some research and I'm not a complete bonehead when it comes to tuning, car selection, etc. Here's what I think my issue is: I try and control the car too much.
Humbly, I believe I'm an above average road-racer(been doing it for over 10 years), and I hate when my cars oversteer, so I eliminate it, or manage it well. Since part of drifting is controlled oversteer, my road-racing instinct butts in and screams "No!". I've been good at working on that, but here's why I'm looking for a little help understanding things.

1. I understand the basics of scoring, but the clipping points are at every apex? For instance the newest Cote D'Azur seasonal, it has a left, right, right, left. There are 4 clipping points to score on?

2. The tires are lit up, burning, I'm going at a 45-70 degree angle, in the track, counter steering, but the points are abysmal. (like 100) What could I be missing?

3. I understand speed counts for something, but I know the disdain for idiots (I've read about them here) who just chuck it in and hope it sticks. Is there such a thing (I'm talking reasonably here) about starting off too slow?

4. My instinct says to start drifting before the start of the sector... true or false? It may depend on the sector, I realize, but should you initiate to maximize points, or totally go for a full controlled initiation at the first major clipping point?

I can get gold on the seasonal events, but it's never pretty, and it's nothing I'd want to showcase. It feels more like controlled sliding than anything. Any feedback otherwise is welcomed.

 

[ZSPaulus]

hmm I dont think you will get much help on how to get your scores up as not many people here think the points drifting is any good.

I never do points drifting but from what ive read:
Speed is not taken into account; the slower you go the more time you have to score points.. So go slow.

Eventhough a nice drift line is not always equal to the ideal line you use in racing; in points based drifting, they want you to drift the ideal raceline.

Hp:
More hp; more wheelspin: so pull out that viper or that other monster of which i dont know the name (SEMA car)..

That said: join some online drift lobbies and take your drifting to the next level; going fast and tandeming with others.. If you get frustrated with noobs crashing into you; add me and we can drift together (if its RWD, CH, and no rediculous amounts of HP..)

 

[pergatory]

#1: Correct, it basically follows the race line. Most pro drifting competitions in real life will do the same. Sometimes they pick outside apexes and weird stuff like that, but I honestly think that's just a fad.

As far as #2 you are probably not on the ideal drift line. In drifting (in real life too, not just in Gran Turismo) they want you to follow the standard protocol of enter outside, apex inside, exit outside. If you're way sideways and blazing your tires but you're at the outside edge halfway through the corner, your points will be bad.

#3: Entry speed is everything in drifting. Too slow is almost as bad as too fast. Finding that ideal entry speed is really one of the hardest parts of drifting. A lot of times, the best way to learn is just by chucking it and seeing if it sticks, as you said. Yes it's reckless, but it can be a good way to learn the limits of the car. At some point though you just gotta say "screw it" and commit completely. If you're resolved from the start, it brings a certain stability to the car once you stick it. Plus it looks really wild aggressively kicking the rear out, and brings a lot of style points if you can pull it off. The people you hear folks complaining about in this regard are the ones who do this and go way beyond their limits; flying into every corner backwards and sticking only about 1 corner out of every 10. Basically they have no idea what they're doing and are just rolling the dice every corner.

#4: For points, who cares, the point system sucks. For style, go sideways early. For competitions, if you drift apexes before the sector that won't count obviously, but if you initiate for the first apex of the sector waaaay early, that will earn you extra points because it requires a more carefully calculated entry speed. Once you're sideways you're committed, and you can only control your speed so much.

 

[Jesus]

Outside apex clipping points are just a fad? I don't know what you've been watching/reading.

 

[pergatory]

Outside apex clipping points are just a fad? I don't know what you've been watching/reading.

D1 Grand Prix.

Outside clipping points are an invention of national drifting leagues like Formula D which started up in the last few years. My guess is they invented it to make the sport more "spectacular" which is why it feels so artificial. I've had this argument plenty of times so I won't push the envelope farther than that.

 

[Jesus]

D1 Grand Prix.

Outside clipping points are an invention of national drifting leagues like Formula D which started up in the last few years. My guess is they invented it to make the sport more "spectacular" which is why it feels so artificial. I've had this argument plenty of times so I won't push the envelope farther than that.

Its not a fad though is it, if it's being used more and more by individual competitions and organisations.

 

[pergatory]

It's not being used by more and more organizations, D1 still doesn't do it as far as I know. Feel free to correct me on that. The only organizations that use it are the brand new ones, which doesn't say a lot.

Time will tell.

 

[Jesus]

It's not being used by more and more organizations, D1 still doesn't do it as far as I know. Feel free to correct me on that. The only organizations that use it are the brand new ones, which doesn't say a lot.

Time will tell.

If new organisations are using it it clearly says a lot. That it's the way forward.

 

[SPANK]

D1, FD, XDC thats allI know of that does it.