Toyota RWD in the 80's: MA/RA/TA60 vs. AE86

Which car would you drive today?


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First, the AE86:
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AE86 Corolla Levin
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AE86 Sprinter Trueno

Known as either the Toyota Sprinter Trueno, Toyota Corolla Levin, or Toyota Corolla GT-S, depending on the market, this was the last car on the rear-wheel drive AE86 platform. Availible only as a hatchback, the light and nimble AE86 is a very tunable racing/drift machine with a mild 4-AG engine pumping roughly 130 hp. It's well known with the kids and is a farily quick machine for its size, although to be honest I think a comic artist by the name of Shuichi Shigeno exaggerated the car's abilities.

Now, the '60s
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MA60 Celica Supra
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RA60 Celica 3-Door
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TA60 Celica Coupe

The Corolla/Sprinter's stablemate for the 1985 model year, the MA/RA/TA60 Celica enjoyed a nice four-year life span as a solid alternative to the AE86. The look was updated from fixed to fold-up headlamps in 1984 and would continue on for two more generations. Roughly in the same price neighborhood and with slightly dimished performance compared to the 86. The 60 was also, the last Celica 2-door Coupe and last rwd Celica. The 22R-E engine in the TA/RA has less horsepower (about 105) but more torque (about 135) and a wider power band compared to the 4-AG. The MA60's 5M-GE trounced both the TA60/RA60 and AE86, offering between 145 and 160 hp, depending on model year. However the added weight of the larger (3.0L I6) engine and other parts not found on the RA/TA offset the weight balance and made the MA a slightly sloppier handling car than the RA/TA.

edit: Okay, guys, I kinda screwed up the model code. I found a list of model codes of 1982-85 Celicas and Supras; The TA60 is Celica hatchback, the RA60 is the coupe, and MA60 is the Supra version of the Celica. Sorry for the screw-up :ouch:
 
AE86, because I'm a clueless anime fanboy :dopey:

Seriously, the AA63 looks like an old Monte Carlo from the side view ( :yuck: ).
The AE86 looks slightly better and is slightly more powerful (in terms of horsepower).
 
Actually the 86 and 63 are very hard to tell apart from a distance. I like the fixed headlamps look of the '82-'83 model, plus people won't look at your car and think that you think you're some kind of drifting legend :D

I think the '84-'85 Hatchback is one of the most pleasing designs of mid-80's Japanese-hatch's, also its very good handling, just as light as the Trueno (about 2400 lbs). Makes you wonder if they share the same chasis. They have very similar dimensions :confused:

240Z, the Aero Coupe rox! :mischievous:
 
Neither, Don't like Anime (?) and I don't like Drifting... (eh?)
 
AE86 because it's lighter, more powerful, has more tuning options (I'm guessing) and because a well tuned 4AG can make the best sounding inline 4 bar none.
 
AE86 , because ay3 W1LL b3 aBle 2 dR1ftZ0rz lyke TakZ0rz....

No, I'm totally kidding...
I'm not an Initial D buff, but I love this car...
I've also heard that its very zippy around turns, and I totally agree that Shigeno exagerated the cars abilities... :ouch:
 
AE86, but only in the hatchback with flip-lights. I hate the 'coupe' model and Levin lights.

My sister had an AA63 and I hated it. 👎


-Mark
 
Speed's Tuner Transformation's next project will be a Corolla GT-S...

Tak, thx, I'm getting used to this new 'tuner talk', where you dig up chasis codes than try to explain what they mean to not-'in' friends and relatives :rolleyes:

Since I'm getting Eddies old 6-3 for free I'm sided with it. Even if it's got the 22re. Hey, wasn't that motor in the older Tacoma, too? If it was then I know its reliable... my friend Joe's just recently hit 275,000 miles. Still on its first engine.

(editL ****ing Tripod, I just saw the Levin don't show, argh :mad:

MR. Pushrod, both cars are in the neighborhood of 2500 lbs, so the weight difference isn't huge. Plus, torque is good when you're not playing 'I wanna be Takumi', and the 22re makes up on torque exactly where the 4-AG lags on it. That's the benefit of 800 extra cc's of displacement. (1.6L vs. 2.4L)
 
actaully the ae86 has gone up in price due to the Initial D craze among the teenagers who think they can Driftz0rs like Takz0rs... jus cuz they have an american detuned 1986 toyota corolla. I have to admit that I think the car is pretty attractive, and I wouldn't mind owning one if i had to money to buy one.
 
My Pic is neither...... I mean... Besides GT and InD I've never known much about them and buying a AE86 will make me seem like a dumb idiot who thinks one of those is cool cause it came out of a cartoon.....
I'm not a tuner or have the money to tune those machines so it would be a worthless old car to me.... I think those belong to people who know about them and are willing to spend money on them... Not some idiot who think he can be a drifter or something because he has the car.....
 
Actually I like the AA63 because it's light, very reliable, a good Sunday drive when you need it (I do plan to autocross mine), and, It's not what Tak drives!

Plus you hardly see 'em anymore so it's pretty rare 👍

On the light side, I love light sports cars. Sure, muscle cars are great (can you say 'torque'?) but when it comes to 'real' racing machines, nothing beats a car that's superlight. It's no wonder the Lotus Elise, Canterham C7 and Mosler MT900 are near the top of my dream-car list 👍
 
I'm assuming you mean 'Vauxhall' not Chevrlolet? Although I'm not sure since the Chevy Nova was discontinued in the mid 80's.

Still, how did the 4-AG make into a Chevrolet or Vauxhall? I guess it's like the VUE Redline with the Honda Odessey motor...:rolleyes:
 
I mean Chevrolet. My 1986 has the same L4 1.6 litre engine, though not making the same power now.God, it has 165,800 something miles. :lol:
 
Toyota and Chevy have some kind of deal going on, and have for a while. Oddly enough, Toyota rebadged the Cavalier and sold it in Japan as the Toyota Cavalier!
 
Toyota sold rebadged Holden Commodores in AUS, Holden sold rebadged Toyota Camrys in AUS. So you could get the same cars (with slight differences) as a Holden or Toyota.
 
I don't care how old this thread is. I drive a Celica Supra, and that's what I'm voting for.
Also, why is AA63 in here? If I'm deconstructing the chassis code correctly it's an A engined MkIII Celica. I think this combination was only availible in Germany. Someone is perhaps mistaken? (I certainly hope it isn't me!)
A = engine, A series
A = Chassis. the A body was the first three generations of Celica, and all Supras (they shared it from '79-'85, IIRC)
63 = Revision. This would be some variation on the '82-'86 body.


Victor Vance
Wasn't the Chevrolet/Geo Prizm a rebadged previous-gen Corolla?
Yes it was. That's why their such good beater cars. They have the price depreciation of a Geo and the reliability of a Toyota.
 
The Supra is an OK car, but what is with all this AB12 and CD34 stuff? Why can't you just call them what they are, the Corolla/Sprinter and Celica/Supra?
 

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