Traction Control - Which cars have it really?

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Ok, so here's a question for the car nuts. Which cars in GT4 have traction control (ASR/TCM) in real life?


We all know that GT4 puts it on (just about?) *every* car, even vehicles from the 1930's when it hadn't even been invented yet.

But recently I was wondering; which cars are really equipped for TCM in real life - by default, or as an installable option? I checked and Googled, but couldn't really find a summary listing which cars have traction control; don't think there is one.

So for the subset of cars in GT4, which cars would actually have it?

Not counting the high-horsepower race cars, I think many or most of those have had some form of traction control since the early 1970's, and in many cases I'd think they'd be fairly undriveable without it. :scared:

I'd start by noting that the SLR McLaren has it - not surprisingly.

But the '98 Civic Type-R for instance? Or the various kinds of Miata? Anyone have some info on 'regular' street cars? Might be interesting to make a little faq/list.
 
Every car from around year 2000 and forward ought to have it. Here in Europe, we are much more safety-minded than in the US. The European Union plans to make a general law, that no cars can be sold in the EU, if they don't have ESP (Electronic Stability Programme) which is pretty much all the driving aids in GT4 combined. 95% of the new cars sold i EU already have this, and have had it for several years.
 
Not every car from 1999/2000 has it, I'm sure of that. A basic 2002 Suzuki Swift, for instance, doesn't (not even in Europe, and no ABS either).

But, to restrict the number of cars a bit, to the cars in GT4.
 
In my opinion, I think most cars from 2000 and present should have it already and most cars from year 2000 and above should have ABS already. For instance, BMW M Coupe from 1998 doesn't have any TC neither ABS.

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The predecessor of modern electronic traction control systems can be found in high-torque, high-power rear-wheel drive cars as a limited slip differential. Limited slip differentials are a purely mechanical system that transfer a relatively small amount of power to the non-slipping wheel, it still allows some wheel spin to occur.

In 1971 the Buick division of GM introduced MaxTrac, which used an early computer system to detect rear wheel spin and modulate engine power to those wheels to provide the most traction. A Buick-exclusive at the time, it was an option on all full-size models, including the Riviera, Estate Wagon, Electra 225, Centurion, and popular LeSabre family sedan. Cadillac also introduced the ill fated Traction Monitoring System (TMS) in 1979 on the redesigned Eldorado. It was criticized for its slow reaction time and extremely high failure rate.
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So i'd say it has been invented back in the 70's but it only being used widely after year 2000... So just assume that most cars above year 2000 in GT4 should have the TC and ABS.
 
Hm, I'm afraid that you cannot just assume a post-2000 car always has TC.

Like I said, I know my parents' little Swift doesn't have it, and from Google I gather that on the MX-5 Miata, it's an option only from the 2005 models and upward.

On the Civic Type-R, it seems it doesn't have it as a standard option in all but the most recent models.

The BMW M3 CSL and M5 reportedly have it. The early post-2000 Honda S2000 doesn't.

Toyota's MR2 seems to have had it as an option 'from '92 onwards'.

So it seems to depend on the model/year, and not just be on all cars post-2000. (Which makes sense, since not all cars are sporty and some are budget models.)
 
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RaidoGT - I think you mix things up. It's correct, that a Suzuki Swift from 2002 doesn't have it, but it's the one of the exeptions. Note, that ESP and Tractioncontrol isn't the same thing. Tractioncontrol is simply an antispin system, that prevents the wheels from spinning too much if you floor the throttle, by cutting and/or degrading the throttle until the wheels don't spin. ESP is a complicated system, which prevent wipeouts in tight turns at a slippery road for instance, by braking one or more wheels to stabilize the car. Almost every European car from around 2000 and onwards has at least Tractioncontrol, but cheap cars like the Swift seem not to have it.
 
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MacBaby
RaidoGT - I think you mix things up. Note, that ESP and Tractioncontrol isn't the same thing. (..) Almost every European car from around 2000 and onwards has at least Tractioncontrol, but cheap cars like the Swift seem not to have it.
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Um, no, I didn't mix things up. I know the difference between TCS/ASR, ABS, ESC, even AYC and VCD ;)

(BTW, I think *you* did mix up ESP and ESC though, I never heard of a car with Extra-Sensory Perception ;)

I just don't think you can say that "almost every (Euro) car from 2000 has traction control". ABS is more common, but not on every car from that period either.
 
AYC and VCD has nothing to do with the forementioned safety systems? And EVERY European car from 2000 and onwards has ABS, i can ensure you that!
 
MacBaby
AYC and VCD has nothing to do with the forementioned safety systems? And EVERY European car from 2000 and onwards has ABS, i can ensure you that!
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I reckon I can put money on that not being the case. I have a copy of CAR magazine from 2001 sitting around here somewhere and the new car guide at the back had more than a few cars with ABS as not available or optional.
 
I always look up cars at nctd.com, conceptcarz.com, supercars.net or about a dozen other sites to check what sort of suspension, tires, and other parts each car has in real-life. These sites will often say which cars have traction or stability controls installed. It's a bit of research, my way of "getting into the game". I like getting to know each car's background and development, etc.

If the real-life car has these devices installed (or jsut TCS or ASM alone), I'll usually test-drive it with these devices ON initially, with N2 or N3 tires, just to try and simulate the laggy, difficult way a car will drive initially right from the dealer's lot. :yuck: Then, of course, I'll turn all this crap off. And try it with better tires eventually.
 
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Parnelli Bone
I always look up cars at nctd.com, conceptcarz.com, supercars.net or about a dozen other sites to check what sort of suspension, tires, and other parts each car has in real-life. These sites will often say which cars have traction or stability controls installed. It's a bit of research, my way of "getting into the game". I like getting to know each car's background and development, etc.

If the real-life car has these devices installed (or jsut TCS or ASM alone), I'll usually test-drive it with these devices ON initially, with N2 or N3 tires, just to try and simulate the laggy, difficult way a car will drive initially right from the dealer's lot. :yuck: Then, of course, I'll turn all this crap off. And try it with better tires eventually.
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I suppose that is just a matter of oppinion. If you consider how the cars I'm interested handle in game from the factory (Classic American Cars) compared to the modern cars. There is a huge difference, even under factory spec. Driving the LS6 Chevelle with the standard tires is like trying to pilot a boat around turns.

I drive an LS5 car every day and it handles quite a bit better than the in game car. Sure it doesnt' compare to the new cars with struts and the rack and pinion set up. But still, it's a lot better than the boat they give you in this game.

Not that I am complaining. I love my Chevelle. :sly:
 
MEJ1990TM
I suppose that is just a matter of oppinion. If you consider how the cars I'm interested handle in game from the factory (Classic American Cars) compared to the modern cars. There is a huge difference, even under factory spec. Driving the LS6 Chevelle with the standard tires is like trying to pilot a boat around turns.

I drive an LS5 car every day and it handles quite a bit better than the in game car. Sure it doesnt' compare to the new cars with struts and the rack and pinion set up. But still, it's a lot better than the boat they give you in this game.

Not that I am complaining. I love my Chevelle. :sly:
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Yea, but do you drive your real Chevelle at Gran Turismo speeds? 💡 Also, which standard tires are you using? N1, N2, ,or N3? And what sort of tires does your real Chevelle have? Are they top-notch premium brand radials, or what? Just curious.
 
Parnelli Bone
Yea, but do you drive your real Chevelle at Gran Turismo speeds? 💡 Also, which standard tires are you using? N1, N2, ,or N3? And what sort of tires does your real Chevelle have? Are they top-notch premium brand radials, or what? Just curious.
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Perhaps he's using R6s:lol:
 
MEJ1990TM
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I drive an LS5 car every day and it handles quite a bit better than the in game car. Sure it doesnt' compare to the new cars with struts and the rack and pinion set up. But still, it's a lot better than the boat they give you in this game.....
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MEJ1990TM - I took the game's Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 '70 out for a spin at Seattle Reverse. I drove completely stock and on the S2 tires that it came with, and found that it does quite nicely. I was able to reach 110mph on the crazy down-hill. The car bounced around a bit, but was still relatively under control. It might be more of a handful on N2 or N3 tires. What level of tire grip do you think matches your real-life car?

Now, purely in the interest of science, I wonder how a "real" Chevelle would handle this hill? Please do not drive your Chevelle to Seattle to find out! Speculation is all that's required!

Respectfully,
GTsail290
 
Parnelli Bone
Yea, but do you drive your real Chevelle at Gran Turismo speeds? 💡 Also, which standard tires are you using? N1, N2, ,or N3? And what sort of tires does your real Chevelle have? Are they top-notch premium brand radials, or what? Just curious.
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I have never tried all out road racing with the car. But I have done my fair share of pushing the car around late at night. Considering the speeds I've tried cornering on El Capitan I know this Chevelle can take similiar corners at the same speed without any trouble. It could just be I'm not very good at this game. Combine that with the fact the standard tires take more skill to control than the super soft racing tires. That could be where my problem lies. My best time on El Capitan with the standard road tires was 2:08. The only mod I made was using the full customize transmission to make it geared like the M22.

With the same car ,only using the R6 tires this time, I was able to get that time to 1:47.

Front tires on the real Chevelle are 205/70/14 Goodrich's and the rears are 215/65/15. The fronts are the original Super Sport type wheels, the rear wheels are off of a Pontiac.
 
MEJ1990TM
I have never tried all out road racing with the car. But I have done my fair share of pushing the car around late at night. Considering the speeds I've tried cornering on El Capitan I know this Chevelle can take similiar corners at the same speed without any trouble. It could just be I'm not very good at this game. Combine that with the fact the standard tires take more skill to control than the super soft racing tires. That could be where my problem lies. My best time on El Capitan with the standard road tires was 2:08. The only mod I made was using the full customize transmission to make it geared like the M22.

With the same car ,only using the R6 tires this time, I was able to get that time to 1:47.

Front tires on the real Chevelle are 205/70/14 Goodrich's and the rears are 215/65/15. The fronts are the original Super Sport type wheels, the rear wheels are off of a Pontiac.
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Ah, I see. I had a '67 Mustang years ago, but this was from 1986 till about '89...long before there ever was Gran Turismo or even a Playstation. :) So can't do a proper comparison. :indiff:

mafia_boy
*sits and :lol:'s until MEJ190TM realises there's no such thing as R6's in GT4*
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Hey, where the hell have you been? :)
 
Guess I kind of grew up with both. The Chevelle was always the family car when I was little. The only car I've ever driven that has been featured in the GT games is the '70 Chevelle. So I can say with some confidence that they handle better with standard radials than this game makes them out to. :)

Thank god they didn't include the original type glass belted tires. :D
 

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