Trouble in Paradise: protesters attempt to hijack Olympic Flame

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Protest mars Beijing torch lighting ceremony
Tuesday Mar 25 06:16 AEDT

Human rights demonstrators have breached tight security and tried to hijack the Beijing Olympic torch lighting ceremony and relay in ancient Olympia.

Just before the torch was lit inside the archaeological site that played host to the Olympics in ancient Greece, three demonstrators managed to break a tight police cordon.

One of them, carrying a black banner with five interlocked handcuffs in the pattern of the Olympic rings, approached Beijing Games chief Liu Qi during his speech in front of hundreds of officials but was quickly led away by police.

Liu failed to get distracted by the commotion and continued his speech, while television footage immediately cut away from the incident.

"The Olympic flame will radiate light and happiness, peace and friendship, and hope and dreams to the people of China and the whole world," Liu told the assembled crowd.

Exiled Tibetans had pledged to demonstrate against China's security crackdown in the region and what they say is the IOC's hesitancy to pressure Beijing to improve its human rights record.

Press freedom group Reporters Without Borders (known by its French acronym RSF) said three of its members had tried to stage the protest on Monday.

"If the Olympic flame is sacrificed, human rights are even more so," the group said in a statement on its Web site (www.rsf.org/).

"We cannot let the Chinese government seize the Olympic flame, a symbol of peace without condemning the dramatic human rights situation."

RSF secretary general Robert Menard unfurled a second black banner from the VIP area where he was seated.

Smaller protests also took place during the first few kilometres of the relay leading to another six people being detained.

Police said a total of nine people were briefly detained and at least one woman — a Swiss national — and the three demonstrators from the ancient stadium would be charged. But since they face misdemeanor charges they are also expected to be freed later on Monday pending their trial.

"It is always sad to see such a ceremony disrupted," International Olympic Committee (IOC) president Jacques Rogge told reporters.

IOC vice president Lambis Nikolaou, a Greek, was outraged by the disruption.

"I am furious with the fact that these people did not respect the site they were on," Nikolaou told reporters. "Whatever differences they have with China, they should express them in their country and not ours. This is a disgrace."

Despite the incident, the actress Maria Nafpliotou playing the high priestess used a break in the clouds to light the torch from the sun's rays in front of the Temple of Hera.

The globally televised ceremony marked the start of a five-month international torch relay, that will include Tibet and the peak of Mount Everest before ending in Beijing on Aug 8 when the Games officially open.

Relay runners along the main street through Olympia were briefly held up when several demonstrators lay in front of the convoy of cars.

Others wore Free Tibet T-shirts and a large banner was hanging from one of the buildings.

"They managed to hold up the relay very briefly at three different parts of the high street," a Reuters photographer said.

Greece's government condemned the protests.

"The Greek government condemns any effort to interfere with the traditional torch relay especially with actions that have nothing to do with the Olympic spirit," government spokesman Evangelos Antonaros told Reuters.

A senior regional police official told Reuters the relay was now progressing smoothly.

Police said an additional 25 protesters had attempted to come in but a strong police presence kept them at bay before they dispersed.

Police said they had also detained Tibetan activist Tenzin Dorjee of the Students for Free Tibet group in Olympia.

He was not part of the protest inside the stadium.

"I was just arrested by over 20 Greek undercover officers. I am now held at the police station," he told Reuters.

Greek athlete Alexandros Nikolaidis, an Athens 2004 Games taekwondo silver medallist, was the first torchbearer starting a six-day Greek relay before the flame arrives in Beijing on March 31.

China's only Athens 2004 Games swimming gold medallist Luo Xuejuan was the second runner.
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Now, while I'm not happy with the notion that people have violated what is essentially sacred ground to make a political message, that's not what I started this thread for. I'm pretty sure this question hasn't been raised elsewhere, so I'm going to be the one to ask it (stop me if it's been done before): is action against China's alleged human right violations justified? Should we boycott the Beijing Olympics?

I firmly believe that we should not. Here's why:

- History has shown us that boycotting the Olympic Games does nothing; Moscow 1980 being the case in point. The American-led boycott of those games was a response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan the less than a year beforehand, and it did nothing. China has occupied Tibet for the past fifty or so years, so a boycott is unlikel to have any effect.
- A mass boycott of the Games would be hypocritical. China is not the only place where human rights are abused; to have another contry that is known to or suspected of abusing human rights boycott the Games would reek of hypocracy.
- The proposed boycott is centred around China's relationship with Tibet, and makes no mention of China and Taiwan. If you must have a boycott, don't pick and choose what you're boycotting because it suits you.
- The international sporting arena should never be used as a platform for political agendas of any kind.
- To boycott the Games would contradict the spirit of the Olympics. I know it sounds romaticised, but the Olympic Games were designed to promote international unity; a place where athletes could represent their home countries free of politics or ideologies. A boycott of the Games would create disharmony, which would be counter-productive to the Tibetian cause.
- It is unlikely China would take note of any boycott other than seeing it as an opportunity for more medals.
- A boycott of Chinese-made products would be more effective, but harder to enforce.
- Most importantly, we would not be making the boycott on behalf of Tibet. We would be making it to clear our own consciences and to say we acted morally and ethically after the fact, which effectively exploits Tibet and makes us guilty of the crime of abusing the rights of the Tibetian people. While attending the Beijing Games might be pereived as "evil" or unethical, there is less evil in attending them as there is in boycottng them. If we boycott, we are effectively exploiting Tibet tice: once by using them to clear our conscienes, and again by promoting the dishamony an Olympic boycott would bring about. It is the international unity promted by the Olympic Games that will bring about an end to the Chinese occupation of Tibet, not a handful of nations refusing to attend on the basis of a political agenda.
 
"Trouble in Paradise" ... it's just an expression.

And I needed a snappy thread title.

And the attempted hijack happened in Olympia, not Greece.

And it seemed like a good idea at the time (but like everything I do, I didn't think it all the way through).





Ahem.

Back on topic and having thought about it, perhaps a sponsor boycott would be the way to go. That way, the Olympics take place, they're not a platform for unsanctioned poitical agendas, but there's no money going into China and there's still pressure on them over Tibet. I doubt it will do anyhting, but I daresay it will be more effective than violating Olympia.
 
- The international sporting arena should never be used as a platform for political agendas of any kind.

I think this is the fundamental issue here, conflicts between participating countries should not interfere with the games.



edit: yeah, you pretty much already said that :ouch:
 
"Trouble in Paradise" ... it's just an expression.

And I needed a snappy thread title.

And the attempted hijack happened in Olympia, not Greece.

And it seemed like a good idea at the time (but like everything I do, I didn't think it all the way through).





Ahem.

Back on topic and having thought about it, perhaps a sponsor boycott would be the way to go. That way, the Olympics take place, they're not a platform for unsanctioned poitical agendas, but there's no money going into China and there's still pressure on them over Tibet. I doubt it will do anyhting, but I daresay it will be more effective than violating Olympia.

Yes, sorry.

As for the sponsor boycott, would the Chinese government have any power over possibly shutting down the Games? I am sure that the athletes wouldn't be happy for the conditions as they are.
 
Is anyone watching teh London Parade now? Damn, I wouldn't want to be carrying it.

The Chinese security are bricking themselves, the Met are looking abit heavy handed but damn.
 
Good. The thick-arsed politicians need to grab the same guts as the protesters and make a stance against the Chinese. Cold blooded murder of protesters isn't right.
 
Disrupting the running of the torch isn't going to make the Chinese do anything differently. I never understood protesters.
 
Why on Earth would they want me not to understand them? Wouldn't the whole point of protesting something be to get people to see the issue you are supporting?
 
It's embarrassing for China. I've never seen the point of the Olympic flame. They seem so happy holding, what is effectively, a beefed up lighter.
 
I think boycotting the olympics and attacking the flame is pointless... Why are they bothering now?, if they really cared they would be campaigning all the time. The olympics should not suffer, I was really looking forward to the Beijing olympics and now its seems rather tarnished with issues nothing to do with sport.

What angers me the most is the some protesters are just hippies who jump onto the next cause to back and dont really care or maybe not even know really why they are protesting... Its like with Vietnam... its was the "in thing" to protest against that...

Just look at some of the protesters causing the trouble.... they are your stereotypical activist who will be protesting one thing this week then something else the next!

I do however understand people who seriously care about the issues protesting (such as the Tibetan people) and they should have the right to peacefully.

Robin
 
It's embarrassing for China. I've never seen the point of the Olympic flame. They seem so happy holding, what is effectively, a beefed up lighter.

oh comon now....thats like thinking the Wally Parks trophy given to a Nationals winner is a polished old buy on a tire.....
 
I think boycotting the olympics and attacking the flame is pointless... Why are they bothering now?, if they really cared they would be campaigning all the time. The olympics should not suffer, I was really looking forward to the Beijing olympics and now its seems rather tarnished with issues nothing to do with sport.

What angers me the most is the some protesters are just hippies who jump onto the next cause to back and dont really care or maybe not even know really why they are protesting... Its like with Vietnam... its was the "in thing" to protest against that...

Just look at some of the protesters causing the trouble.... they are your stereotypical activist who will be protesting one thing this week then something else the next!

I do however understand people who seriously care about the issues protesting (such as the Tibetan people) and they should have the right to peacefully.

Robin

I am most certainly not a Hippy but i do feel there is something we are not allowed to see about that country.

Remember, the internet is censored so they cant read this over there.
 
*sigh* and I was looking foreward to watching the Opening Ceremonies for the first time since the Centennials.

Good. The thick-arsed politicians need to grab the same guts as the protesters and make a stance against the Chinese. Cold blooded murder of protesters isn't right.
yoohoo. Communists with NUKES...don't poke china...that's a Yellowjacket nest
 
I said the Olympic flame, not the Olympics.
That wasn't how it was meant, but I I realise it was easy to.

You could just say "football is just blokes chasing a ball around a pitch". Hence, pointless. If you want to work in a team, build something. Want to get fit, jog.

It's all about the deeper meaning.
 
I understand the protests and am also not very happy about what happend (happens?) in Tibet. But China has come from far already in opening-up to the rest of the world and allowing its citizens more freedom, but they are not yet there (where-ever there may be). China is becoming a capitalist country rapidly, but under a single-party controlled regime. The upper party members love their power and also the money the new economy is giving them. They want to be part of the world, but they also do not want to give away their land to some monks (their view, not mine). In a crisis like that they will show their power and expect the rest of the world to understand, but do they understand the rest of world? To them the Tibet uprise is like Kosovo and an internal affair, like Kosovo is to the Serbs. I truly believe that they underestimated the reaction their reaction to the uprise would give to the rest of the (civilized) world. I don't think an Olympic boycot will help to free the Tibettens or the Chinese people, the message has been clear enough though. So let's give it a rest and let's not scare the chinese government back into their little hideout.
 
That wasn't how it was meant, but I I realise it was easy to.

You could just say "football is just blokes chasing a ball around a pitch". Hence, pointless. If you want to work in a team, build something. Want to get fit, jog.

It's all about the deeper meaning.

I'm not sure what you're getting at EE. I said the Olympic flame was pointless, I quite like the olympics, they have huge historical importance and test many skills.
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at EE. I said the Olympic flame was pointless, I quite like the olympics, they have huge historical importance and test many skills.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used another sport as an analogy.

Basically, the Olympic flame burns as an everlasting reminder of how sport can pull cultures and religions together for one grand event. If you lose the flame, why not lose the medals? Isn't knowing you came first enough?
 
Denur: Tibet was Autonomous for centuries. when the communists took over china, they grabbed it. and communists toss religion out the window. I'm gonna double check with wikipedia on that, tho. I'm not positive
 
Why on Earth would they want me not to understand them? Wouldn't the whole point of protesting something be to get people to see the issue you are supporting?

By "they" I meant people who are worth protesting against. I'm not saying these guys are right or wrong in this particular protest, but if you're saying you've never understood protesters in general, I strongly disagree.
 
If all these people are going to protest, then why not just scrap it? The whole issue is going against the true spirit of the Olympics to unite the world, regardless of race, beliefs, and other differences in a grand sporting event. If people are just going to cry out against China and not other host countries, what is really the true point of boycotting the Olympic Games?
 
Question... The venue for the Olympics is picked at random are the not? Regardless of that, why are people associating politics with the Olympics anyway? '

Especially this one it just seems like a really big excuse to protest and get on tv. At least the protest here in SF did anyway. :rolleyes:
 

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