Tuner Challenge Championship ~ April McLaren MP4

[pHLo]

are the tuners who advance to the next round allowed to adjust individual gears now with the update ?

and will the tuners with the best setups in round 1 take a few points into round 2 of this month's competition in order to get a headstart as a reward or do they all start from scratch for balanced chances ? (e.g. 1st place scores 4 Points, 2nd place 2 points, 3rd 1 point, 4th 0 points or just keep the margins from the previous round)
what do you (Tuners and Drivers) think about that idea ?

 

[Adrenaline]

The new update is certainly going to throw a few wrenches in the whole process.
I'd like more feedback from everyone, if they even feel the need or desire for multiple rounds. At the rate driver times are coming in, I'm beginning to feel it's counter productive.
As for the points question, I assume you're asking about performance points, not standing points? In which case, I'd say no. Giving advantages is not what I had in mind for this type of competition. I'm a fan of Darwinism.

 

[budious]

I agree Adrenaline, keep it simple... one round of testing each month and even try to reduce the per lap per tune requirement on drivers, down from 15 to 12 or 10.

 

[pHLo]

15 laps per tune is indeed a little bit too much in my opinion, especially if we will use multiple rounds.

i would be fine with one round, although tuners might be tempted to specialize their setup for that particular track...

 

[Adrenaline]

Yeah, in an attempt to test their true tuning ability, it seemed illogical to create track specific tunes, but on the other hand, many of them state trail is a universal testing ground. I'm waiting to see how this weekend goes as far as time entries. The final 2 rounds, where intended to only be 10 laps each, and only 4, then 2 tunes, meaning a lot quicker, but I'm not sensing an interest, and it's easily removed.

As for dropping the laps of the initial test... I guess we could go down a little, but not much. A few drivers have already mentioned the 'seat time' needed to adapt to each tune. But as tuners increase, 15 laps will be far too many. Also keep in mind, I plan to limit tuners in the future, as well as ask a few to gracefully step down if their performance is consistently sub-par.

Still need to work out a system for cars to vote on.

And........ do we want to use the PP system from here out, or remain with constant HP/Weight amongst all tuners, leaving the suspension as the main determining factors?

 

[pHLo]

1 round okay, 2 rounds okay for me too, 3 rounds too much

about seat time:
maybe include stock settings in the test driving too (first tune to be applied)
the benefits from this is that users can easily see how each tune improved considering speed and drivers get used to the car without spoiling one tuner's times

personally i found learning the track better was the biggest impact that influenced my times, not the seat time of the car....

PP: i don't have any experience in this system yet, i just don't know how balanced this really is

 

[budious]

And........ do we want to use the PP system from here out, or remain with constant HP/Weight amongst all tuners, leaving the suspension as the main determining factors?

We always know the minimum weight, maximum power, and tire grade will provide a known stable control set for all tuners to adhere to. The PP system needs time to prove itself free of performance exploits before I'd be ready to switch over to that as the tune balance metric.

 

[GT5SER]

What the deal with the drivers? All the times should be in now!

 

[Basilea]

What the deal with the drivers? All the times should be in now!

And if you would read... you'd know it's still a week to go!

 

[Superesc]

Is the new 1.06 update going to affect the submitted tunes and lap times?

 

[budious]

Is the new 1.06 update going to affect the submitted tunes and lap times?

Why would it? None of the changes made related to physics so cars should handle the same now as they did before.

 

[BlueShift]

if they even feel the need or desire for multiple rounds.

No

Let's tune another car...

 

[Riggins]

Just submitted my times. tune 7 was my best with 5 being the the next fastest. I also really enjoyed tune # 11. Tune 10 was bad. Really hard to control the car.

 

[Adrenaline]

Updated, tune 11 jumps up 1 spot.

If we stay at 1 round, and want to avoid track specific tunes, we could keep the track 'unknown' to the tuners until tunes have been submitted. I'm not sure how I feel about the idea, but it would force them to create an all around tune. Not sure...

 

[MiniVanMan]

Updated, tune 11 jumps up 1 spot.

If we stay at 1 round, and want to avoid track specific tunes, we could keep the track 'unknown' to the tuners until tunes have been submitted. I'm not sure how I feel about the idea, but it would force them to create an all around tune. Not sure...

I'm fine with that.

 

[BlueShift]

Fine too but tranny...

 

[Basilea]

Can the drivers tell me how much time they had to invest for it? I might like to join the next months tune depending on the car (and track) as it seams fun. I'm fed up with doing "important" things and this is just driving for enjoyment and not to win price cars or level up...

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Fine too but tranny...

Should be set for all-around performance.

In fact, since it's a comparison of flying-lap times, I may wind up setting first too long to launch properly depending on the car... Most of my vehicles now hit 60-70mph in first gear because it allows tight ratio spacing while still having the top gear long enough for adequate top speed.

 

[budious]

Forgot to update the DTS count below the score box...

I'm seeing by the drastic margin changes on my car that it must be either a love it or hate it tune for drivers... or simply don't meet some driving styles.

 

[pHLo]

Can the drivers tell me how much time they had to invest for it? I might like to join the next months tune depending on the car (and track) as it seams fun. I'm fed up with doing "important" things and this is just driving for enjoyment and not to win price cars or level up...

took me about a week, i only did about 2 tunes per session and i had exams in this week so i didn't run test laps every day
1 tune required about 25 minutes, but that really depends on the track
although we might be done with one tune in abput 20 minutes, as it is planned to reduce laps per tune

would be nice to have more drivers 👍

 

[Riggins]

took me about a week too. I do like 2-4 tunes at one sitting and it took somewhere around 1-2 hours at each sitting on this track.

 

[Riggins]

Forgot to update the DTS count below the score box...

I'm seeing by the drastic margin changes on my car that it must be either a love it or hate it tune for drivers... or simply don't meet some driving styles.

which tune was yours?

 

[budious]

which tune was yours?

#9 ... nothing against your driving skills, I'm not meaning to sound criticizing about any driver's skill, just noting how margin changes seemed to be very jumpy for my car in particular so far.

 

[Basilea]

took me about a week, i only did about 2 tunes per session and i had exams in this week so i didn't run test laps every day
1 tune required about 25 minutes, but that really depends on the track
although we might be done with one tune in abput 20 minutes, as it is planned to reduce laps per tune

would be nice to have more drivers 👍

That sounds fair to me! Guess I'm in for testdriving the next month, as long as it's not the nordschleife

Should I give it a try tuning as well? Never did it and that's probably the best way to start.

 

[budious]

...Guess I'm in for testdriving the next month, as long as it's not the nordschleife ...
.

The difficulty of the Nordschleife is vastly exaggerated. Drive it with a well tuned car 20 or 30 times and you'll love it.

 

[Basilea]

The difficulty of the Nordschleife is vastly exaggerated. Drive it with a well tuned car 20 or 30 times and you'll love it.

It's not about difficulty or not that much anymore. I know the track by now and starting to like it more and more, although I haven't driven many clean laps yet And the Subaru Impreza Sedan does a very good job 👍

It would take a bit longer on the nordschleife than on shorter tracks to get done with all the tunes!

 

[docholiday720]

Times submitted.

Tunes were in pretty much the same order as what in in the leader board except for tune #4. Tune #4 was the third best tune for me. Top 7 tunes were very close, only one second seperated them. Tunes #5 and #9 were the closest. They were seperated by a mere .005 of a second for my 3 lap average. I think tune #5 could have been better but ran out of gear on the straight. Tune #10 was the worst for me, could not get it to turn thru a corner.

Good luck to the rest of the drivers

doc

 

[budious]

It's not about difficulty or not that much anymore. I know the track by now and starting to like it more and more, although I haven't driven many clean laps yet And the Subaru Impreza Sedan does a very good job 👍

It would take a bit longer on the nordschleife than on shorter tracks to get done with all the tunes!

Yeah, what I meant to also say was that since it is longer then each mishap would average in the lap time better anyways. You would, of course, also run fewer laps of Nordschleife... I think one warmup lap should be enough there, lol.

 

[Adrenaline]

Updated.
We won't be using Nurburg at anytime, because I feel driver inconsistency will far outweigh tuner ability.

Each tune on trial mountain took 23 minutes roughly, for 15 laps.
I was able to do it in a single day, but that's because I prefer to do tests back to back, to ensure the same level of skill throughout, it's also why I run the cat stock for 15-20 laps first, so that no tune has the disadvantage. Basilea, if you decide to join us next month (even this month if you think you can squeeze it in, within the next 4 days) then shoot me an e-mail to register at GTPlanet.tgb@gmail.com thanks!

As for #9, your times seem to be rather consistent (in relation) amung all drivers so far. The large jump in margin you noticed, was actually an issue with the current leader #7 having an oddly low(faster) lap avg, rather than you having an oddly high one, for a specific driver. In a few days when this spreadsheet is public, you'll all be able to see the trends and patterns. I've color coded the top 3 avg per driver which quickly shows which tunes are consistently the fastest regardless of who's driving. For example, Tune 7 currently has 7 golds and 1 bronze, and remains the only tune, to place in the top 3 for every driver so far.
4 or 5 more days and it'll all be public for everyone to see and analyze. With pretty leaderboards for both tuners and drivers alike

 

[Basilea]

@ Adrenaline: I sent you a mail and I try to make it in 4 days!