Tuning Competition Week 8 - RESULTS

[DuckRacer]

Subaru Impreza Sedan Spec C @ Tsukuba
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opendriver19a
178

Sonzilla
164

TS
169

98NeonACR
175

Der Meister
174

gregc
184

zefff
187

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Winner: zefff. Congratulations!

Special thanks to Marouan, noobie 4 ever, and Dark Elite for judging this week. 👍

 

[DuckRacer]

noobie 4 ever's Ratings:

Turn-in (entry to corners) Tunerpendriver19a
Ranking (1-10): 9

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Total Combined Ranking: 65

Final Thoughts:
A rather good setup with little understeer. Not much to be said. _____________________________________________

Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner:sonzilla
Ranking (1-10): 7

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Total Combined Ranking: 58

Final Thoughts:
This setup felt like it didn’t belong on the track. Everytime I went into turn 4 the car went into oversteer and the car understeers like mad. The gearing was fine just the handling wasn’t right.
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Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner:TS
Ranking (1-10): 8

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 9

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Total Combined Ranking: 61

Final Thoughts:
A good setup very little understeer.

-5 points for not specifying suspension type
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Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner:98neonacr
Ranking (1-10): 8

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Total Combined Ranking: 60

Final Thoughts:
A rather good setup.
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Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner:98neonacr
Ranking (1-10): 8

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Total Combined Ranking: 60

Final Thoughts:
The TCS was way too high as it slowed you down in the corners a lot.
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Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner: Der Meister
Ranking (1-10): 9

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Total Combined Ranking: 62

Final Thoughts:
A good setup with minimal understeer.
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Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner:gregc
Ranking (1-10): 9

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Total Combined Ranking: 65

Final Thoughts:
A very good setup and there is nothing wrong with it
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Turn-in (entry to corners) Tuner:Zefff
Ranking (1-10): 9

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 9

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 8
High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Total Combined Ranking: 68

Final Thoughts:
The best setup of all of them with almost no understeer and very good grip

 

[DuckRacer]

Dark Elite's Ratings:

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TUNER: opendriver19a

442bhp ///452ft/lb

Turn-in = 6. Pushes very wide unless early braking is used.

Mid-Corner Response = 7. Feels slightly deadened when applying throttle in turns.

Corner exit = 8. Occasionally wide, but only when too much power is used.

Stability = 8. No problems.

Grip = 9. Pretty much unassailable due to the traction control.

High-speed controllability = 7. So long as the grass is avoided, it’s OK.

Handling while braking = 7. A little understeery on heavy braking, but bearable.

Acceleration = 7. Reaching top speed here at a good rev range in 6th, the gearing is good. Only the traction control takes some power at low speeds.

Total = 58/80

Final Comments
The racing exhaust gives good soundtrack to the car. Despite not being fully tuned, this car had no problems getting times under a minute here, but at a low-range circuit like this the traction control takes a bit too much of the acceleration when exiting corners. This car manages to hold its line in the last corner very well, and is geared effectively. There are no underlying problems with this setup, except perhaps the traction control – faster laptimes would result from removing the ‘driving aid’.


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TUNER: Sonzilla

522bhp ///512ft/lb

Turn-in = 7. The frontal downforce bias helps turn-in slightly.

Mid-Corner Response = 7. Doesn’t run too wide in mid-turn.

Corner exit = 6. Tends to push to the outside, sometimes even onto the grass, after apexing.

Stability = 7. Sometimes prone to sliding oversteer on corner entry, but not at all dangerous.

Grip = 7. Only 1st and 2nd gears give any trouble, so moderate the throttle when leaving hairpins.

High-speed controllability = 8. The extra downforce holds the car to the ground at speed.

Handling while braking = 7. A little understeery on heavy braking, but bearable.

Acceleration = 7. Maximum power and no traction control works on this car, but only using 4 of 6 gears limits acceleration potential slightly.

Total = 49/80

Final Comments
The racing exhaust gives good soundtrack to the car. On full tune, the acceleration is fearsome – but with only four ratios in use here, there’s a constant feeling that it could be even sharper and faster. My assumption is that this is to stop low-gear wheelspin, but there wasn’t too much of this anyhow. The front downforce bias was a sensible addition, but although it allows good drifting into a corner it doesn’t stop the tendancy to push wide on exiting a corner. Nevertheless, not a bad setup.


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TUNER: TS

562bhp ///371ft/lb

Turn-in = 7. The frontal downforce bias helps turn-in slightly.

Mid-Corner Response = 7. Feels neutral mid-corner – not too understeery but not very responsive

Corner exit = 7. Holds the line moderately well.

Stability = 7. Feels a little more precarious than others, and pulls more heavily if clipping the grass

Grip = 9. Pretty much unassailable due to the traction control.

High-speed controllability = 8. The extra downforce holds the car to the ground at speed.

Handling while braking = 7. Sometimes unpredictable, this car can go wide or tight on the brakes.

Acceleration = 6. With only a minimal power increase, the gears needed changing from stock.

Projected Total = 58/80
-3 for stock gearing
-1 for inaccuracy of parts listed, namely suspension and tyres
-1 for seemingly random ordering of parts list
Total = 53/80

Final Comments
This car feels OK in the corners, not outstanding but not poor either, just neutral and controllable. However, on the straights it’s held down by a slight lack of power and the stock gear ratios – these really should have been changed, as the revs are too high to stay in 4th on the back straight but too low to justify going into 5th. This car took the longest to pull a lap under 1’00.000.


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TUNER: 98neonacr

522bhp ///512ft/lb

Turn-in = 8. Turns in without any trouble.

Mid-Corner Response = 8. Quite easy to adjust in all the corners here, simply add power to turn more.

Corner exit = 7. Sometimes goes a little wide, despite oversteer mid-corner.

Stability = 6. Probably the least stable setup on test, this car has a liking for heavy lift-off oversteer.

Grip = 7. Not too bad, considering the minimal rear downforce and 500bhp.

High-speed controllability = 7. So long as the grass is avoided, it’s OK.

Handling while braking = 8. The handling when braking is good, but the brakes aren’t as powerful as might be liked.

Acceleration = 7. The stock gears, luckily enough, work well with this power output, topping out at high revs in 5th.

Total = 58/80

Final Comments
The racing exhaust gives good soundtrack to the car. This setup’s huge frontal downforce bias makes it very oversteery mid-corner, particularly through the last sweeper. It actually takes effort not to go sideways around here, which makes it fun to drive as well as watch. It’s not slow either, in fact it’s the fastest car here. If there was a score labelled ‘Amusement’, this car would easily make up the points lost on stability, but as it is the penalties must be paid – this car is not very comforting to drive! However, it is satisfying, and I like it.


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TUNER: Der Meister

497bhp ///488ft/lb

Turn-in = 7. Sometimes pushes out at turn-in.

Mid-Corner Response = 6. Traction control deadens mid-corner feel.

Corner exit = 7. Usually wide, but not too badly.

Stability = 7. A little twitchy at times, and responds worse than most to grass-clipping.

Grip = 9. Pretty much unassailable due to the traction control.

High-speed controllability = 7. So long as the grass is avoided, it’s OK.

Handling while braking = 7. Heavy braking induces quite strong understeer with this setup.

Acceleration = 6. The traction control steals low-range acceleration, which is important here, and the gears don’t work ideally on the back straight.

Total = 56/80

Final Comments
The racing exhaust gives good soundtrack to the car. Despite the front downforce bias, this setup feels a little hard to turn in corners, but slightly skittish on straights. 5th gear needs to be slightly wider, as at the end of the back straight in 5th the engine is running out of power, but shifting to 6th can gain 3 or 4 miles per hour at the top end. As with all the other ‘aided’ cars, the traction control feels like it is taking away so much of the acceleration on corner exit.


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TUNER: gregc

460bhp ///468ft/lb

Turn-in = 8. Gives no trouble turning in.

Mid-Corner Response = 8. Stable but still adjustable.

Corner exit = 8. Occasionally wide, but only when too much power is used.

Stability = 8. No problems.

Grip = 8. Only breaks grip when really pushed out of a hairpin.

High-speed controllability = 8. Good, even when clipping grass.

Handling while braking = 8. Brakes don’t cause understeer, but are still effective.

Acceleration = 7. The stock race gearing is very effective with this setup, leaving little doubt in corners and in the right spot at top speed.

Total = 63/80

Final Comments
The racing exhaust gives good soundtrack to the car. This is a remarkable setup, using only a Stage 1 turbocharger amongst Original 5 equipped cars. Amazingly, it keeps up, almost matching terminal speeds and laptimes of cars with 60bhp more. No traction control is ideal for this car, allowing power oversteer from low speeds but only when intended. It feels connected to the driver in corners, and is agile for a car that still has 35% torque going to the front wheels. A fun and rewarding car to drive, that proves full tune isn’t needed to be extremely fast.


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TUNER: zefff

522bhp ///512ft/lb

Turn-in = 8. Gives no trouble turning in.

Mid-Corner Response = 8. Add enough power to get the rear out, or take it steady.

Corner exit = 8. Occasionally wide, but only when too much power is used.

Stability = 7. Does occasionally have snap oversteer issues.

Grip = 7. 2nd gear should be used with care, and start-offs are tricky.

High-speed controllability = 8. Good, even when clipping grass.

Handling while braking = 8. Brakes don’t cause understeer, but are still effective.

Acceleration = 8. The close gear setup is slightly too close for the back straight, but through the rest of the track it’s brilliant.

Total = 62/80

Final Comments
The racing exhaust gives good soundtrack to the car. The striking thing about this setup is the very tight gearing, which would work nowhere but Tsukuba. Here though, it’s almost perfect, giving huge acceleration everywhere except the end of the back straight, where the revs in 6th get a little too high. This setup is the fastest on test, and it feels it. Also not averse to a little oversteer, but beware – it can, and will, bite. A very good race setup.


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The Verdict
Highest Points Score = Gregc
Gregc's car uses a lowly Stage 1 turbo kit, where over half of the other cars were equipped with Original Stage 5 kits. Despite this disadvantage, it still matches performance to much more powerful cars, with no driving aids, and remains easy to drive and predictable.

Moral of the Story: Real men overtake in the corners...

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[DuckRacer]

Marouan's Ratings:

Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 6 (tcs)

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 6.5 (tcs)

Total Combined Ranking: 56/8=avarage of 7.0

Final Thoughts:
Nice Setup, tcs made me go lower on points.

Tuner=Dermeister

Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 6.5

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 6.5

Total Combined Ranking: 56,5/8=avarage of 7.0625

Final Thoughts:
Overall nice setup. Didnt get all i wanted from it on the straight though. But nice in ballance

Tuner=sonzilla

Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Total Combined Ranking: 55 /8=avarage of 6.875

Final Thoughts:
There was a lack of power. The car couldn’t leave the corners as fast as i wanted it to
Tuner=ts


Tuner= 98neonacr

Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Total Combined Ranking: 57 / 8 = average point = 7.125

Final Thoughts:
Nice Setup, It Needs Getting Used to as in not shifting back to 2nd in corners (spinning) and it needs a decent trothle control. I’m not a high point giver but nice setup


Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 5.5(tcs)

Total Combined Ranking: 55 /8=avarage of 6.875

Final Thoughts:
There was a lack of power.
Tcs kicked in a lot. And the car just wasn’t good enough
Tuner=Opendriver19A


Tuner= gregc
Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 6

Total Combined Ranking: 56 / 8 = average point = 7

Final Thoughts: Good Control, Nice And Stable, good turning besides mid-turn. Work on your accel. Next time


Tuner=zeff
Turn-in (entry to corners)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Mid-Corner response (whether the car under/oversteers mid-corner or holds the racing line well)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Corner exit (how quickly you can exit a corner whilst staying in good control)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Stability (rear end staying in line, car not 'jumping' or feeling skittish in turns)
Ranking (1-10): 8

Grip (start-offs, how much power can be used without the drive wheels losing traction? Does the car oversteer excessively?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

High-speed controllability (whether the car becomes 'frantic' and turns far too sharply at high speeds)
Ranking (1-10): 7.5

Handling while braking (are you able to easily turn the car while braking, and without going into oversteer?)
Ranking (1-10): 6.5

Acceleration (how good is it? Is there a lot of traction while doing it?)
Ranking (1-10): 7

Total Combined Ranking: 57/ 8 = average point = 7.125

Overall very nice setup. The car would lose a lot of traction at corner exit in 2nd gear but after u get used to it its fine.

 

[gregc]

And the DE curse strikes again ...

Seriously - a request for the judges. More info would be really helpful - I know you put a lot of work into judging this (and I really do know, I've judged myself, and it's a lot easier to tune than it is to judge!) but some more feedback would be very helpful. I always find DE's comments very useful, but he seems to like my setups and detailed comments from others who find my cars less good would be interesting 👍

All that said... 1)Second again - damn! 2) Well done to zefff - good work! 3) Updated leaderboard tomorrow

 

[98NeonACR]

Thanks to all the judges for taking the time to do this.

One thing I would like to know is did any of the jugdes use my comment on the setup. Just woundering if the comments help any on jugding the car? Also what was your lap times around. Just woundering if my laps are on par with the judges? Or checked out the vid I did on the car. I cant see how this car had that much oversteer some of the judges are talking about it was hard for me to get it to step out. If it did start to on the corner entry just stabe the go-fast pedal and the car should pull through the turn. I also use a DFP and a late apex style. This style in a all wheel drive is almost a must on a tight track like tsukuba.

Also did noobie use Traction control on my set up. his comment on my set-up would suggest so.. This car has no traction control in the set-up.

Thanks again!
Chris

 

[Sonzilla]

First thanks to the Judges for making the time.


Ok my first impressions after reviewing the results. Wow I really thought I had a good setup. I'm surprised some of you said it under steers, I didn't get a hint of that while I raced in it. I tend to steer toward over steer which is my niche. It could be due to the judges racing line that could be the culprit cause if your off on a different line it will push. As mentioned by 98NeonACR (late apex style) is what mine was setup for as well. The 4 speed to me was a must, I've got tons of BMI clips at Tsukuba and allot of them go this route. If you look at where the RPM's fall it's exactly the same as if it were a full 6spd actually my 4spd was 300rpms quicker to redline then the close 6spd.

142mph top's at the end of the back straight (was that slower than the others you tested?) Which gave me a run at 54.183 my personal best. I ran my car with ease low 55's and if you try a little harder 54 sec laps are easy as cake. I'm also curious to see some lap times, I think it's a must to post your personal best while judging each vehicle. Well that's what I did when I Judged.


Sonzilla.

 

[Der Meister]

Yeh, I'm with Sonzilla on that, I found my car completely fixed the understeer compared to the standard car. It was a wake up call to see how much TCS hindered my results. I perposely used it because I didn't want to lose marks for wheelspin and excessive understeer on exit, I felt that the TCS helped cornering more than a loss for acceleration.

Well, I didn't expect to win my first round, but I didn't expect to do so badly.

I hope my FORD GT setting goes down better with the judges

 

[Dark Elite]

And the DE curse strikes again ...

Seriously - a request for the judges. More info would be really helpful - I know you put a lot of work into judging this (and I really do know, I've judged myself, and it's a lot easier to tune than it is to judge!) but some more feedback would be very helpful. I always find DE's comments very useful, but he seems to like my setups and detailed comments from others who find my cars less good would be interesting 👍

Hehe, sorry! Is there anything I can add to my comments, without purposefully disliking the setups? Seriously, I always try to improve

One thing I would like to know is did any of the jugdes use my comment on the setup. Just woundering if the comments help any on jugding the car? Also what was your lap times around. Just woundering if my laps are on par with the judges? Or checked out the vid I did on the car. I cant see how this car had that much oversteer some of the judges are talking about it was hard for me to get it to step out. If it did start to on the corner entry just stabe the go-fast pedal and the car should pull through the turn. I also use a DFP and a late apex style. This style in a all wheel drive is almost a must on a tight track like tsukuba.

I did short-shift your car as you requested, and it does indeed help the acceleration - in fact, it would with all of the cars, shame nobody else mentioned it - and I know how to late-apex hairpins anyway
(I use a DS2)

Ok my first impressions after reviewing the results. Wow I really thought I had a good setup. I'm surprised some of you said it under steers, I didn't get a hint of that while I raced in it. I tend to steer toward over steer which is my niche. It could be due to the judges racing line that could be the culprit cause if your off on a different line it will push. As mentioned by 98NeonACR (late apex style) is what mine was setup for as well. The 4 speed to me was a must, I've got tons of BMI clips at Tsukuba and allot of them go this route. If you look at where the RPM's fall it's exactly the same as if it were a full 6spd actually my 4spd was 300rpms quicker to redline then the close 6spd.

142mph top's at the end of the back straight (was that slower than the others you tested?) Which gave me a run at 54.183 my personal best. I ran my car with ease low 55's and if you try a little harder 54 sec laps are easy as cake. I'm also curious to see some lap times, I think it's a must to post your personal best while judging each vehicle. Well that's what I did when I Judged.

With your setup, which wasn't particularly understeery but not particularly agile either, I got a lap of 0'54.826 after ten laps - my standard test length at Tsukuba this week. This probably isn't the car's limit with my driving, in fact I can say pretty certainly that it isn't. However, the point of limited test runs is to find how easily it is to get used to driving a particular setup fast and hard without encountering problems.
Also, laptimes are not a factor in this competition - we don't reward fast laptimes from purposeful setups as opposed to more fun, oversteery setups - and for that reason, I don't post my best laptimes with the cars on test.

Anyway, well done to all who took part, this wasn't an easy car to tune, and, uh, thanks for the thanks 👍 👍

DE

 

[gregc]

Hehe, sorry! Is there anything I can add to my comments, without purposefully disliking the setups? Seriously, I always try to improve

I wouldn't say you need to add anything - in fact I would personally encourage anyone who judges to use your style as a reference point, it's very informative. One of the things I like about this competition is that it's a learning experience, so detailed feedback is really handy 👍

Der Meister, regarding your comment about TCS. I think it's a bit of a "blunt instrument" - I find that dampers/springs/camber/LSD etc give much finer control of under/oversteer and wheelspin. Unless you're dealing with 8-900+ bhp and S tyres, TCS shouldn't normally be necessary (I use a DS2 by the way).

 

[Dark Elite]

Thank you.

I also agree with your comment about traction control

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

Also, laptimes are not a factor in this competition - we don't reward fast laptimes from purposeful setups as opposed to more fun, oversteery setups - and for that reason, I don't post my best laptimes with the cars on test.

Anyway, well done to all who took part, this wasn't an easy car to tune, and, uh, thanks for the thanks 👍 👍

DE

Yeah I agree that fast lap times shouldn't be rewarded. What I'm saying is it should be added as a indication of how much the Judge is getting out of the tuners setup at a particular track. With that the tuner can better understand what the judges are looking for. If the Judge wants he or she can add a conclusion leading to their best or favorite lap time provided and explained to their own liking in the comments section. Because everyone here has different taste on driving lines, habits etc.

Oh ok I see where I stand..

 

[zefff]

Wow!! Thank you so much! I am chuffed to bits and glad to see I am on the right track and actually IMPROVING!!! I know speed is a factor but if anyone has tried any of my ZAsylum settings they will know its not the number one priority for my tuning.

I cant believe I beat GregC overall because a nearly-as-fast stage 1 car deserves to be rewarded with points IMHO. Cant wait to see my name on the leaderboard!

 

[opendriver]

Meh, wasn't as good as I though I was

I getting tired of 3rd or 4th week after week

 

[gregc]

Cant wait to see my name on the leaderboard!

Watch this space Working on it now - and congrats again 👍

I getting tired of 3rd or 4th week after week

Out of curiosity, do you ever try anyone else's settings? On weeks where I've not done so well I've taken the winning car for a spin - it can be quite helpful, I'm fairly certain it's improved both my tuning and driving.

[Edit] - the Leaderboard...

Spreadsheet

As before, if you notice any errors please let me know

 

[VQuick]

Oh no...

I wasn't in Week 8, but I entered Weeks 9 and 10 and just realized I didn't specify the tires for my setups. I thought S3s were a given. Well, I can probably kiss a few points goodbye.

 

[zefff]

If Duck specifies the tyres in the rules then it shouldnt be a problem as I see it.

 

[VQuick]

If Duck specifies the tyres in the rules then it shouldnt be a problem as I see it.

Yeah, you're right. I thought Duck said that the best you could use were S3s. He actually said you have to use S3s. Guess maybe I'm in the clear, then.