Tuning RUF RGT

[xGATECRASHERx]

Hi guys,
I'm looking at maybe running a GT series but is there any way of getting the RUF RGT up tuned so it's near the F430 scud etc so it can compete with them?
Many thanks,
Crasher

 

[speedrcr]

for good equality, PP in the range of 500-550 will make this an even race. So far has some real close races with some people that know how to handle the F430 and RGT.

Also setting the PP in this range you can get the BTR to boot as well.

If you don't like PP that's fine, but its the great equalizer. Not saying its the best, but it gets you some close races, closer then setting hp and weight restrictions quite honestly.

Also if you were going to set GT restrictions (GT3 class as the RGT is a Porsche GT3 in wolf's clothing), you can dictate weight and hp restrictions like the GT3 series as another option.

Also check this out as you might be interested in this.

 

[dr_slump]

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And if you are looking for a setup: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=198751
There are 9 of them.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Ive got more yellobirds CTR2's & BTR's then I can count on my fingers, but still no RGT. Grrrr.

 

[budious]

Ive got more yellobirds CTR2's & BTR's then I can count on my fingers, but still no RGT. Grrrr.

You're not missing much. It's only a yellow bird with none of the challenge.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

You're not missing much. It's only a yellow bird with none of the challenge.

Not at all... The RGT has a hope of being docile enough to drive while still maintaining decent cornering speeds.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Not at all... The RGT has a hope of being docile enough to drive while still maintaining decent cornering speeds.

The YB is a blast, I would be alright to get a RGT tuned up. If I remember correctly it made it's first appearance in GT 2 and was my main money getter.

 

[budious]

Not at all... The RGT has a hope of being docile enough to drive while still maintaining decent cornering speeds.

Like I said, a yellow bird with none of the challenge. Slap one grade lesser tire on the front of the yellow bird and it handles about like a RGT or make countless posts on bad setups to try and use the same tires front to rear and complain how using different tires to correct understeer is bad tuning etiquette.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Like I said, a yellow bird with none of the challenge. Slap one grade lesser tire on the front of the yellow bird and it handles about like a RGT or make countless posts on bad setups to try and use the same tires front to rear and complain how using different tires to correct understeer is bad tuning etiquette.

Been Tuned right with equal grade tires, no need to offset grade, but we are allowed to use different methods.

You gotta admit though, the 2 cars are quite different despite any similarities, and while some cars may require more work then others, that doesn't negate any work done to the ones that require less attention. Comparing tuning effort of the YB to any car in the game is not fair. The YB is one of if not the car requiring the most work to tune. So the RGT not requiring as much attention doesn't mean we should ignore it or overlook it.

 

[budious]

I have put together rather simple tunes that cross over from the RGT and Yellow Bird as they are about the same KG, HP, and PP and all that is required for the YB adaption is switching out the front tire. Both cars ended up running around 7:37" on Nordschleife. The primary difference being the RGT ran Sport Medium front and rear but YB ran Medium front and Soft rear.

Fixing the imbalance at the tire contact patch only changes one factor, whereas offsetting damping weight transfers with variances in stabilizers and ride height settings front to rear creates more new imbalances than simply adjusting the grip adhesion at the tire to surface interface.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

I have put together rather simple tunes that cross over from the RGT and Yellow Bird as they are about the same KG, HP, and PP and all that is required for the YB adaption is switching out the front tire. Both cars ended up running around 7:37" on Nordschleife. The primary difference being the RGT ran Sport Medium front and rear but YB ran Medium front and Soft rear.

Fixing the imbalance at the tire contact patch only changes one factor whereas offsetting damping weight transfers and oddball stabilizer and ride height settings front to rear does more more harm than good, imo.

That's a lil cheesy. There is so much different between the 2 cars that adapting a setup from one to the other seems a bit lazy, and doesn't do the car justice. Your free to tune however you like, just why piss on somebody else's attempts to focus on it instead of making a lazy adaptation of a tune from something else. No matter how well your adapted set up works, a dedicated tune will be better.

 

[praiano63]

Two days ago i try the LION'S DEN RUF RGT setting on the yellow bird. Not because i'm a lazy or too much incompetent tuner, but because i respect a lot the job of Mr Paulie. They fit perfectly at my driving style and in this case , LDP don't have any Yellow bird Tune.
Try this and go on EIGER. You will perfectly understand what i'm talking about..
Bye.

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Two days ago i try the LION'S DEN RUF RGT setting on the yellow bird. Not because i'm a lazy or too much incompetent tuner, but because i respect a lot the job of Mr Paulie. They fit perfectly at my driving style and in this case , LDP don't have any Yellow bird Tune.
Try this and go on EIGER. You will perfectly understand what i'm talking about..
Bye.

Missing the point. It doesn't matter how well a YB's (or any other cars set up for that matter) works on the car. A dedicated one specific to the car will work better. Wether or not you have taken the time to tune the car doesn't matter as others want to do so, we really don't care how well other set ups adapt to it. It also doesn't call for bashing attempts to do so. (nobody in particular ) why on earth would we want to adapt a set up???? Thats the lamest thing I've heard on a Tuning board in a while. "Don't tune it, use settings from another car" come on now....

The thread is about tuning the RGT, not searching for set ups from other cars to adapt to it that relatively work.

Bye ? Okay, bye....

 

[praiano63]

Open your mind, be curious and sum the experience of the others to your own . This is like this for everything in our life ,not only for virtual tuning on virtual car.
Ok . All this is not very important. Enjoy your life and take it easy. That's all i have to say, good week end for everybody...

 

[-raVer-]

I have put together rather simple tunes that cross over from the RGT and Yellow Bird as they are about the same KG, HP, and PP and all that is required for the YB adaption is switching out the front tire. Both cars ended up running around 7:37" on Nordschleife. The primary difference being the RGT ran Sport Medium front and rear but YB ran Medium front and Soft rear.

Fixing the imbalance at the tire contact patch only changes one factor, whereas offsetting damping weight transfers with variances in stabilizers and ride height settings front to rear creates more new imbalances than simply adjusting the grip adhesion at the tire to surface interface.

What are the exact specs of the cars?
Stock , the specs are way different.

I recently did the Schwarzwald League B (Extreme Series) with a RUF RGT ´00 (no oilchange , no Chassis Refresh) on the Nordschleife.

The Car had 356 bhp , 1330 kg , 489 PP , Sports Hard Tyres.
The RGT does very well with NO tuning ( around 7:40s )

Replay here: http://www.file-upload.net/download-3381763/RUF-RGT.zip.html



raVer

 

[budious]

I was only addressing that the cars are very similar in dimensions and overall weight and therefore more capable of transitioning a tune between these cars than other cars in general. I still think fixing one imbalance by creating three or more new ones in the process is the wrong approach.

The following tunes were not geared towards top speed or handling, I was only attempting to make the cars handle similarly and produce similar Nordschleife lap times for a friendly RUF racing series. These settings are from my scrap notes, I don't have GT5 on hand at the moment to verify they were refined since I wrote them down last. Times with DS3 and AT:

RUF 3400S '00 (7:38)
470HP; 1144KG; 540PP
+ weight reduction 3
+ chassis reinforcement
+ ecu
+ engine tune 3
+ race air filter
+ intake manifold
+ exhaust manifold
+ titanium racing exhaust
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 6.5 / 8.7
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 0.0 / 0.0
- toe 0.00 / 0.20
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ tires (I didn't mark in this my notes, think it was time with Sport Medium front and rear)
* everything else stock (lsd, transmission, etc)

RUF Yellow Bird '87 Spec I (7:42)
523HP; 1150KG; 547PP
+ low rpm turbo
+ limited slip differential
- initial 10
- accel 12
- brake 11
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 5.5 / 6.4
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 0.0 / 2.5
- toe 0.00 / 0.20
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ front tire: Sport Medium
+ rear tire: Sport Soft

RUF Yellow Bird '87 Spec II (7:39)
523HP; 1081KG; 549PP
+ weight reduction 3
+ chassis reinforcement
+ engine tune 2
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 5.5 / 6.4
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 0.0 / 2.5
- toe 0.00 / 0.20
* stock drivetrain (lsd, transmission)
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ front tire: Sport Medium
+ rear tire: Sport Soft

RUF RGT '00 Spec I (7:23)
526HP; 1170KG; 557PP
+ weight reduction 3
+ chassis reinforcement
+ engine tune 3
+ ecu
+ intake manifold
+ exhaust manifold
+ limited slip differential
- initial 10
- accel 12
- brake 11
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 6.9 / 9.0
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 0.0 / 2.5
- toe 0.00 / 0.20
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ front tire: Sport Soft
+ rear tire: Sport Soft

RUF RGT '00 Spec Handicap (7:29 @ 100%; 7:33 @ 95%; 7:40 @ 70%)
~HP; 1170KG; ~PP
- (removed intake/exhaust manifolds and ecu from above spec)
+ weight reduction 3
+ chassis reinforcement
+ engine tune 3
+ power limiter @ (7:29 @ 100%; 7:33 @ 95%; 7:40 @ 70%)
+ limited slip differential
- initial 10
- accel 12
- brake 11
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 6.9 / 9.0
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 0.0 / 2.5
- toe 0.00 / 0.20
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ front tire: Sport Medium
+ rear tire: Sport Medium

RUF CTR2 '96 (7:38)
533HP; 1214KG; 554PP
+ weight reduction 3
+ chassis reinforcement
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 7.2 / 9.3
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 1.0 / 0.5
- toe 0.00 / 0.00
* stock drivetrain (lsd, transmission)
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ front tire: Sport Medium
+ rear tire: Sport Medium

So these are not meant to be max performance tunes by any stretch of the imagination. All I did was utilized the stock spring rates on each car with a universal change in dampers and stabilizers that work well on Nordschleife; in addition I used a variation of down spec'ing the front tire on the BTR and CTR along with camber tweaks to address the oversteer issues. End handling is pretty generic across all cars which was my goal at the time. I don't expect these tunes to impress anyone but since you asked I did provide.

Edit: Forgot the BTR...

RUF BTR '86 (7:46)
515HP; 1062KG; 552PP
+ weight reduction 3
+ chassis reinforcement
+ engine tune 2
+ intake manifold
+ exhaust manifold
+ low rpm turbo
+ limited slip differential
- initial 10
- accel 12
- brake 11
+ fully customized suspension
- ride height 0 / 0
- spring rate 5.5 / 6.4
- extension 9 / 9
- compression 9 / 9
- anti-roll bar 7 / 7
- camber 0.0 / 2.5
- toe 0.00 / 0.20
* brake controller @ 5 / 5
+ front tire: Sport Medium
+ rear tire: Sport Soft