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Voila! New thread. As continued for this thread Tuning LSD on 4WD cars
One explanation on the negative toe vs. positive toe is that my Zenith TV sucks. The contrast is so bad, that I can't tell the difference between the + and - Symbols on the car. So, I always go with the numerical value. Also PD's description "Marquee" blows. This is one thing that aggravates me. Why not show it in text on the side? But I digress..
Yes, I have toe'd out the rear in effect to enhance the rapid turn-in, and the Over steer hasn't been a problem. Then again, I haven't run too many cars over 400hp (Since I've been doing extensive tuning). I'll change the settings tonight and see what I come up with...
By all means PM me the settings. As my wife can atest, I'm always willing to try new things. Or better yet, load them in these here new thread, and we can all compare. I've been shown in the past that My settings can be a bit odd.
Thanks
AO
One explanation on the negative toe vs. positive toe is that my Zenith TV sucks. The contrast is so bad, that I can't tell the difference between the + and - Symbols on the car. So, I always go with the numerical value. Also PD's description "Marquee" blows. This is one thing that aggravates me. Why not show it in text on the side? But I digress..
Yes, I have toe'd out the rear in effect to enhance the rapid turn-in, and the Over steer hasn't been a problem. Then again, I haven't run too many cars over 400hp (Since I've been doing extensive tuning). I'll change the settings tonight and see what I come up with...
By all means PM me the settings. As my wife can atest, I'm always willing to try new things. Or better yet, load them in these here new thread, and we can all compare. I've been shown in the past that My settings can be a bit odd.
Thanks
AO
Originally posted by Der Alta
And the story goes....
this is what I did last night after following all the advice I had at 5:30pm. Sukerkin, I'll address your thoughts at the end of the post, as I still have to race Deep Forest tonight.
Total mods:
Racing Transmission, Brakes and lightweight 1. also Full suspension, Brake balance controller, Full LSD, Triple Clutch, Light weight Flywheel, Stage 2 turbo, racing intercooler, T2 Tires, and lightweight 2. For a total of 409 Hp. I don't usually note the weight of the car, so I don't have that handy.
Settings:
Springs: 9.5/10.5
Ride Height: 102/102 (bottomed out)
Bound/Rebound = 6 (all)
Camber: 3.4/1.0
Toe: 0.0/-1.0
Stabilizers: 3/3
Brakes: 14/19
LSD (F): 5/5/10
LSD (R): 30/40/10
Auto Set gears: Level 27
Final Drive: 4.610
ASM = 0; TCS = 0
VCD: 35%
This set up gave me the win. The car felt very stable, although it could have used a higher LSD on the front. Instead I may take Sukerkin's thoughts to mind on this one.
Results:
S4: + 1.882 (pitted on lap 7)
Skyline (R34): + 2.894 ( pitted on lap 8)
Lancer Evo VI: + 21.666 pitted on lap 6
3000 GT VR-4: 32.581 pitted on lap 6
Celica GT4: 36.804 pitted on lap 5
Best lap: 128.107
Total time: 1516.099
This was a very close race. Including the S4 bumping me in the first hairpin in the last lap. Once tires warmed up, the lead cars were very well matched. I was able to keep very close to the pace of the lead cars, but tended to loose time on the straights. Usually a tenth of a second. I did note that I could take the first and last hairpin, as well as the Corksrew faster than the AI could. That was a positive note.
Sukerkin:
I think I hit nearly all of your points in the setting changes that I did make. I always have about -0.5 or -1.0 on the rear toe. You may have miss read the first post. I did a test run on Deep Forest last night, and can keep with the field once my tires have warmed up, but by then I'm usually 8 seconds down from first place. So...tonight I'll try adjusting ride height, lessening the front camber, tune the stabilizers and set the bound rebound at 4/5 and 5/7 for the rear.
Yes, this thread has come way off topic, but it delves into the subtleties of 4WD tuning and what can affect it beyond the LSD.
A wee bit windbaggy myself...
AO
Originally posted by Sukerkin
Hi again Ao
If I'm reading this right the mods on your Wagon don't include Chip, Exhaust, Port Polish or Engine Balance, so I didn't use them whilst having a bit of a play with the settings.
I only tweaked with it for about an hour so my conclusions aren't solid and although the settings I ended up with don't resemble yours, the times around 'Seca are about the same. Another example of the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect set-up in GT3, only one which suits the driver!
I wont clutter up this thread with exactly what my settings were (if you'd like to see them I'll PM them to you).
One comment - as far as I know, negative numbers for toe in GT3 mean toe-out and positive ones toe-in. My own experience gels with this and a 'stock' toe adjustment for me is -5 Front and +10 Rear.
I'm assuming you've toe'd out the rear as a deliberate ploy to encourage rapid turn-in and don't find the augemented power-on oversteer a problem?
I think for any further discussions on this we should start a new thread about dialing in the Wagon (unless we focus on the LSD aspects of the tuning). What do you think?