U.N. Embassy to Iraq bombed today...

[Kent]

Well, a bombing in Iraq, hmmm.... nothing new. Right?

However, today it seems someone has bombed the UN embassy with a truck bomb. Killing a number of people, and injurying many more. (exact numbers not availible to author at moment) (breaking news : 16 dead and 40+ wounded)

My opinion on this...

A humanitarian based facility being destroyed by a truck bomb, says to me- aggressive illegal actions.

I believe this is the result of terrorist organizations waging an unprovoked war on westerners and any western interest in the greater middle east region.

The UN may understand now that terrorist war is not based on applicable logic, rather, it is based on ideological religious fanatical zealots.

Peace will never prosper as long as people like these bombers are allowed to rule over countries or establish control anywhere.

Seeking province in Iraq is obviously now coming to light, as the UN an innocent victim group, has had their special advisor to Iraq and 15 other people, killed. (many more injured) (I literally saw just now an estimate for 20 killed, So the numbers dont matter now, its rising and thats the horrible truth)

UN envoy to iraq killed.

Im seeing alot, as I have the day off and can give the story as it unfolds. Hopefully you guys will notice this event when you may have otherwise overlooked it.

bye. Please discuss if you wish.

Oh lord, get this, in the last 20 minutes somewhere in jerusalem there was a horrible bus bombing.

Death and hate on the behalf of an international terrorist extremist islamic killers. Murder. straight up murder and if your not at work, I suggest you watch the live feed right now. It is the reality idealist and ignorant people will never acknowledge.

Ask me again why Im willing to support war in any number of coutries?

This bull ****

I hate them all. Its over come me and I have no more patience for these people.

God bless those who will support right, and damn those that oppose them.

 

[IDAFC21]

I was watching this earlier after it had just happened....just unbelievable...that video of it from inside the building as it happened was just crazy

 

[Talentless]

I fell a sleep briefly and woke up to hear of the UN Envoys death. I was surprised. I never had a strong thought that he might die.

I'm also sick of this.

I believe we need to stare the Iraqis and the foreign terrorists in the face and put our foot down and say the consequence we will inact and they could face if they keep up these attacks. The options are simple, embrace the coalition and the UN, one or the other, or allow the Sunnis to retake control or give it to the more feared Shii majority. Argue until your sick the ethics and strategic sense of attacking Iraq, but the Iraqis and any opposer to our presence has to ask themselves if they really think we are the worst they can get. I had empathy for the argument that freeing oneself was a nearly impossible concept in Iraq under Saddam, but it's time for initiative on the part of the Iraqis, and it's time for Bush to step up to the plate, for the congress to approve new spending measures fast. The Iraqis must make the terrorists feel unwelcome.

 

[Talentless]

What the hell was the Arab League going to do for them? This is so frustrating. I want us to succeed because I believe we owe them. We owe them for not being more critical about Halabja; for not helping them in '91; some might say for the sanctions. War's the path we went with, now we must prove the strength of our ethics.

While partisans recite arguments about how much each other is incompetent, I want to move on enough to get the situation improved a lot faster.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

We need to GTF outta there,.. plain and simple. Put a 20 foot wall around the NA continent, and charge admittion to tourists. Occassionally toss a 30 kiloton bunker-buster into mid-east hot zones,... if we blow up everyone who's fighting, instead of deciding what fights are worth interacting in,... I think we may put a stop to most of it. And we can do it from the comfort of our own living room with a couple of B-52's.

 

[Talentless]

Well, I don't think that's right myself, but I understand.

 

[Talentless]

My empathy goes out to the UN.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Yeah,.. I hate but out the "Kill em, let GOD sort 'em out",... but this is just gettin rediculous.

 

[Talentless]

The argument over war and pacifism is so complicated. Rightists and leftists don't seem to appreciate that it's not as easy as projected death tolls. The pacifists could let a million die in order to keep their non-violent responses going. The war mongers may kill a million, and more after the terrible devestation of public works, and the like, because of their war. Either way, a people suffer.

America and much of the world are trapped in holier than thou mentalities.

I'm not unbiased on the issue, mind you.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by GoKents

waging an unprovoked war on westerners and any western interest in the greater middle east region

Sorry - this is completely mad. We took over Iraq. We now occupy it... and their anger against us is unprovoked? Unjustified would be the right term, and a fair expression of your opinion, but 'unprovoked' can simply not describe today's news.

Death and hate on the behalf of an international terrorist extremist islamic killers. Murder. straight up murder.

And when the Israelis do it, what do you call that? Since Israel took the land in 1947 everybody's been killing everybody in the name of god, further proof that religion kills - as if we actually needed any.

 

[Kent]

Well lets get a few things right or should I say more specific.

One, when you attack a UN facility it is not an attack on america. It is an attack on good will and progress, as well as one of the very symbols of that hope for a better, free iraq.

This attack was just what I described... If I was to attack the police officer helping me after I was assaulted, would I be in any way justifiable? No.

Second is the "Israeli thing."

Its not like Israel ran around killing all the arabs in the area.

Infact, Israel immigrated and lived on the land at the same time as the arabs (just the same as for the last 3,000+ years) then the Israelis rose in opposition to the british governing powers.

After winning independance from the british, the Israelis were attacked on all, ALL, fronts by a coalition of "arab nations."

Israel defended itself with the same determination as it had won indepence with.

The results were simple- a loss on the side of the arabs, and a nation with a jewish identity held its ground.

There is no doubt that the events that took place are wrong in many ways.

The palestinians were wronged, flat out.

This is still no exscue for the events that took place today, just as the 100's of civilian targeted bombings before had no possible justification.

The UN was the victim.

The Israelis were the victims.

What has happend in the past is not justification for what some may do in the future.

If your looking for me to acknowledge any actions of Israel, bring them up in an intelligent and civil manner... not a "yeah but look what they did " and "what do you call it when israelis do it."

Oh yeah, when the israelis kill a terrorist, (which they do quite often) I call it justice.

When they kill an innocent person, I call it murder and more over, I call for justice.

But you would never have expected that or known that due to your own stereotyping of my charactor.

Good job dude

 

[DGB454]

You have to expect that from him GoKents. It's the way he and a few of his cronies are towards things like Israel, Religion, America, Republicans, Minorities....ect...

It is fun to sit back and watch them go on the rampage on whatever the flavor of the week happens to be. They just end up doing onesided arguements till the thread finally peters out.

Back to observing.

Later.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
You have to expect that from him GoKents. It's the way he and a few of his cronies are towards things like Israel, Religion, America, Republicans, Minorities....ect...

It is fun to sit back and watch them go on the rampage on whatever the flavor of the week happens to be. They just end up doing onesided arguements till the thread finally peters out.

Back to observing.

Later.

It it not fun, however, to watch some bitter, ignorant, god-freak waste time and energy making cynical, superfluous comments. Nice one. Now go crawl back into your hole and read a bible or something.

 

[milefile]

There is an utterly lawless and anarchic facet to the world today. They pervert religion in a shameful attempt to justify their cause. Everybody outside of their circles, however, knows full well it is merely a convenient scapegoat. And it works. There is no better way to arouse the passions of a group than to invoke gods, or some other so-called divine calling. Fortunately Iraqis are mostly above such nonsense. I don't believe those responsible for the UN bombing yesterday were Iraqis. I even suspect that Al Qaida may be behind it. But we shall see.

It's just my personal feeling but the suicide bombing in Jerusalem bothers me more. I keep thinking ball bearings, and picture in my mind babies and decapitated moms and it just hurts to contemplate. It hurts to contemplate the thoughts of a hopeless Palestinian in his last moments before he blows himself up along with a bus load of average, every day bus-riders. It hurts to imagine what it must be like to live in Jerusalem, in fear. It enrages me to hear how Hamas and Islamic Jihad have issued "competing claims of responsibility" for it. It makes me wonder why Mahmoud Abbas has not ordered the destruction of these organizations and asked for help with it. The tactic of placating one Arab group or country while occupying and crushing another is failing. The problem, the enemy, has no nationality. Bush doesn't seem to be able to fathom this and his war is looking more and more like a colossal waste of time, effort, and resources all the time.

Just an idea to toss out...

It may be that this could be the beginning of WWIV. An enemy the West has yet to even comprehend has spread throughout the globe. There are no borders, no countries, only the enemy. Their perversion of Islam has an artificial consequence of singling out the Middle East. America's perversion (and pre-emption) of freedom has made it utterly inept. Our appointed president who can't even string a few words together to make a coherent sentence, who speaks at an elementary school level, is supposed to be leading the free world in a battle of fundemental philosophies. That's a laugh. Are we better off now? Can America take any responsibility for anything? A holier-than-thou attitude, which understandably runs rampant in times of international crisis like this, only exacerbates problems and provokes the enemy. There is no question that the Western World, lead by America, will prevail, eventually. There is also no question that this is good. But I believe there are many questions regarding the long term strategy, if there is one yet.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by milefile
It it not fun, however, to watch some bitter, ignorant, god-freak waste time and energy making cynical, superfluous comments. Nice one. Now go crawl back into your hole and read a bible or something.

You assumed I was referring to you. Guitly conscience?

This post is typical of your hatred and ignorance you have shown in most of your post.

One other thing. I don't think you are nearly big enough or stupid enough to try and tell me what to do.

So.....Bite Me.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
You assumed I was referring to you. Guitly conscience?

I knew you weren't addressing me.

This post is typical of your hatred and ignorance you have shown in most of your post.

Do you feel better now?

One other thing. I don't think you are nearly big enough or stupid enough to try and tell me what to do.

Ha. Tough guy.

So.....Bite Me.

No.

Like I said, it was nicer around here without you. Cry baby.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by milefile
I knew you weren't addressing me.


Do you feel better now?




Ha. Tough guy.


No.

Like I said, it was nicer around here without you. Cry baby.

Typical

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454

You have to expect that from him GoKents. It's the way he and a few of his cronies are towards things like Israel, Religion, America, Republicans, Minorities....ect...

It is fun to sit back and watch them go on the rampage on whatever the flavor of the week happens to be. They just end up doing onesided arguements till the thread finally peters out.

Back to observing.

Later.

Typical

Waste.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by milefile
It it not fun, however, to watch some bitter, ignorant, god-freak waste time and energy making cynical, superfluous comments. Nice one. Now go crawl back into your hole and read a bible or something.

I'm not sure what started you on this latest rant (or should I say fit?)

"It it not fun" Speech impediment?

"to watch some bitter, ignorant, god-freak " What's that all about? Haven't filled your quota on new hate words for the day?

I'm not bitter in the least. I'm definitely not ignorant.(you know better than that)
God-Freak...Can't argue with that one. Thank you.



"Now go crawl back into your hole and read a bible or something."

Is it just me or is it all Christians you dislike. Is it like a phobia?

Anyway, I have hijacked this thread long enough and had a few laughs doing so. Now back to your regularly scheduled program already in progress.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
I'm not sure what started you on this latest rant (or should I say fit?)

"It it not fun" Speech impediment?

Is that the best you can do? A typo? You know, if you want to start correcting grammar . . . meh. Why bother.

"to watch some bitter, ignorant, god-freak " What's that all about? Haven't filled your quota on new hate words for the day?

No moron, those are descriptive words, words that describe. You may have heard of them. They're called adjectives.

I'm not bitter in the least. I'm definitely not ignorant.(you know better than that)

You lie! LIAR!

God-Freak...Can't argue with that one. Thank you.

You're welcome!

"Now go crawl back into your hole and read a bible or something."

Is it just me or is it all Christians you dislike.

Specifically, you.

Is it like a phobia?

I wouldn't know. What does a phobia feel like?

 

[DGB454]

It's kind of like reading something a child would write.
Did all those drugs do that to you?

I'm sorry..That was mean..It wasn't vert Christian like of me.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
It's kind of like reading something a child would write.

Actually, it's not.

Did all those drugs do that to you?

What are you talking about? The complete sentences? The descriptive words? The fact that you look more and more like an ass with every post you waste? I guess my brain is waaayyyy to gone maaannn... like, wow. Just let me get my head together here...

I'm sorry..That was mean..It wasn't vert Christian like of me.

Speech impediment? None of your posts have been very Christian. Not that I care or was even keeping track, but since you bring it up, it's just an observation.

Hey, maybe I can put your typo in my avatar! That's neat.

 

[DGB454]

Waste.

 

[milefile]

Stop stealing my lines! Sheesh.

 

[Kent]

Back on the subject of the bombing...

I just now have seen good old kafi anann (I know I spelled and mis-said his name, I dont really like the fella )

But the good old UN leader decided to say that this is a result of the US not properly taking care of security in Iraq.

Yet, note the facts...

The UN declined the offer from the pentagon to appropriate American troops for the security of the UN compound.

I believe in personal accountability and those ethics lead me to believe that: should the UN decline outside assistance with security, the UN should be held accountable for the security of the establishment/compound. (humanitarian aid facility in this case)

This sort of situation puts me in the position to support a complete with draw from the UN, while supporting a new selective, "nato-ish" orginization of humanitarian aid.

The UN has become a bueracracy over the last 50 years.

I would say the Korean War represents the end of an honest "humanitarian" orginization and the begining of an "emergency reactionary group."

One represents the ideals of fighting for human rights against a, literally!, criminal land grab into South Korea, by North Korean communist supported by China red him self. (lol, sorry bout the short names.)

After the Korean war, you never saw a UN with an evenly balanced (if you could call it that) military commitment towards the prevention of aggresive military campaigns.

Now... well the UN is just what we know... (I will let you decide the description there; ours my vary so I will spare you mine.)

So, what do you think.

Is Koffi anan (sp?) not fufilling his obligations as a leader for the UN when he establishes a special envoy in Iraq?

By the results Anon has produced, I say no.

Military assistance from the UN was not offered during the removal of saddam, and security assistance was declined by the UN after the conflict.

This is 2 mis-managment examples direct from the top levels of the UN.

...

Please discuss if you wish, I might come back, but you never know... I dont subscribe to threads.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
Waste.

Nice avatar. Since you seem to have gotten all hung up on drugs (and typos), I offer for your review every significant post I have ever made on GTPlanet regarding drugs. They contain my political postion vis-a-vis drugs, my personal feelings regarding them, and my drug history, which you may be disappointed to remember, is nothing remarkable. Some of them are even in direct response to you. You may also benefit from reading well written posts, clear and concise ideas elaborated in detail for dolts such as yourself. Enjoy.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=586007#post586007

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=452912#post452912

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=453839#post453839

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=455931#post455931

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=398507#post398507

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=399338#post399338

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=399338#post399338

 

[Pako]

Sounds like a couple of kids bickering in grade school. I was just out the door, and will be gone for a couple of days, but I will address this when I come back unless one of the other Moderators takes care of it before me.

Word of advise: Grow up!