Uncontrolable Sliding - Old School Cobra

[Trimen]

I am trying every setup I know but the old 60' shelby cobra seem to like to act like it has no rear tires and slowly slide the back end out on some 3 dimensional turns. what am I doing wrong?

EG. Trial mountain -normal: on the 1st S-turn section on the I lose all control of the back end just as it turn right then enters the fast left area into the 1st tunnel. It's like I have Ice cube instead of wheels. On flat turn the car hold it's line and does not play the wheel of fortune game. yet if there is some variation of altitude it spin cycle time, and what get me, it's not the snap spins like the Ford 05 GT it's a slow rotation. Liek it take forever and a day to get sideways yet in that time I cannot regain control.

Method I tried to fix: one at a time then, two of then evently all all at once

Increase ride height
Increase rear spring rigidity
Increase camber angle
Increase rear stablizer
Increase LSD settings- All of them
Added ballast weight to the rear

 

[CMcMahon]

That thing is hard as hell to drive, especially on the 'Ring.

 

[Trimen]

That thing is hard as hell to drive, especially on the 'Ring.

I am trying to get the ideal setting before taking it for a spin on the ring.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

Well, it makes sense, in real life this was one of the most driver unfriendly race cars ever ! Bad aerodynamics, light weight body, monster engine...everyone who ever raced these cars said they were absolutely pigs to control...to corner, you almost always had to 4 wheel drift and handle the drift to keep your laps times good. Watched many interviews regarding this car !

 

[Trimen]

Well, it makes sense, in real life this was one of the most driver unfriendly race cars ever ! Bad aerodynamics, light weight body, monster engine...everyone who ever raced these cars said they were absolutely pigs to control...to corner, you almost always had to 4 wheel drift and handle the drift to keep your laps times good. Watched many interviews regarding this car !

oh wow I thought the Cobra was a solid race car that dominatd it's category at Le Man.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

It did dominate for a couple of years, but the drivers literaly drove their asses off to win....then they designed the cobra coupe ( i believe Peter Brock was one of the more famous drivers to race these ) due to the restrictions of the original cobra design.

 

[DarkKni9hT]

The Cobra was a fantastic car.... in a straight line. Anyone who ever drove one will tell you that. The car held the record for 0-100mph-0 for over thirty YEARS!!! At 13.2 seconds, it would make you swallow your teeth off the line and spit up your balls at braking. It finally got beaten by a Porsche with two, count'em, two turbos. So in my books, the Cobra still holds the trial.

I'm a Cobra fanatic and have come upon the secret to handling the car on a driver's course. You need to anticipate every corner and brake EARLY. Let the other cars slide by if they want, you can crank past them on the way out. If you get on the brakes early and essentially coast through the corners, you will have much success in controlling the monster. If you enter a corner while still on the brakes, the weight of the engine pushing down the front of the vehicle lifts nearly all the weight off the rear, hence the slide.

Also, in order to keep tire wear reasonable, go with medium up front and hard in the rear. Sounds like a recipe for skid but if you drive to my formula, it will increase your control.

Best of luck.

 

[DarkKni9hT]

It did dominate for a couple of years, but the drivers literaly drove their asses off to win....then they designed the cobra coupe ( i believe Peter Brock was one of the more famous drivers to race these ) due to the restrictions of the original cobra design.

AHHHhhhh ... there's a car I really miss in GT4. There was one in GT3. I don't know how they missed it this time. Especially since they bothered to include the British AC's.

 

[panjandrum]

Yeah, the Cobra was a notoriously horrible handler. Just tons of raw power and not much else going for it....

 

[DarkKni9hT]

Yeah, the Cobra was a notoriously horrible handler. Just tons of raw power and not much else going for it....

Yeah, and sexy as hell too!! Today's cars can't hold a candle to that kinda look .... unless of course they retro-style ( Mustang, T-Bird, Shelby even took some lines for the original Viper from his Cobra.)

 

[Kaotik_Kamikaze]

This kid didn't ask for interviews on the cars and stuff, he's asking about a setup to reduce the oversteer. Not to be all up tight, but I hate seeing topics go down the drain and beecome way off topic.

 

[DarkKni9hT]

This kid didn't ask for interviews on the cars and stuff, he's asking about a setup to reduce the oversteer. Not to be all up tight, but I hate seeing topics go down the drain and beecome way off topic.

Not to be all uptight back at ya but I believe I did provide a response to the question at hand. Maybe not a specific tune, but sometimes you need to learn a different driving technique to control a car as opposed to tuning the thing into shape. I've won all sorts of races by altering the way I drive the Cobra.

 

[misnblu]

This kid didn't ask for interviews on the cars and stuff, he's asking about a setup to reduce the oversteer. Not to be all up tight, but I hate seeing topics go down the drain and beecome way off topic.

Sometimes you can only improve by experience and experience is gained by doing.
Everybody has different driving techniques and all of the real life drivers of the Cobra learned to drive by their experience with the car and adjusted their driving skills to meet the needs of the cars handling.
I think the answers were met for the question at hand.
Good feedback ppl.
Misnblu

 

[Reikon]

This kid didn't ask for interviews on the cars and stuff, he's asking about a setup to reduce the oversteer. Not to be all up tight, but I hate seeing topics go down the drain and beecome way off topic.

though Shelby/AC Cobra's in GT4 does have bad habit to start gettin sideways on even straigh road, so does anyone know how to get rid of that problem.


(its not so fun to get sideways @ +200mph speed on Nurburgring's long straights)

 

[misnblu]

Let off of the gas just a bit to keep that torque down. Even in straightaways, you can lose traction in a lightweight car with high torque, especially the Nurburgring. With the way the track is setup, not exactly level and has many elevation changes throughout.
Good luck.
misnblu

 

[Trimen]

This kid didn't ask for interviews on the cars and stuff, he's asking about a setup to reduce the oversteer. Not to be all up tight, but I hate seeing topics go down the drain and beecome way off topic.

Um I am 29 and the change to the driving technique vastly improved my performance with this historic dream machine. Thanks guys