Unfairly disqualified

[Zenjungian]

ive just got disqualified twice in two races, both ‘Race C’. First following a blue DR result I was told on the grid I would be diaqualied after the next collision! On lap six someone ran into the back of me and I was immediately disqualified. Next race after restarting the PS4 - again told on the grid I would be disqualified after next collision - this time, cleanly overtaking someone on the straight, he deliberately swiped my rear as I passed and I’m disqualified. This is really disheartening. I’m really trying to play fair, drive clean and get SR rating back up to S. I feel like giving up. I’m going to give it one more try and if it happens again I’m leaving this game and this community.

 

[Lebowski]

Bye then.

 

[Zenjungian]

So I give it one more try and don’t get the warning on the grid and don’t get disqualified. Maybe I got some sort of stuck ‘flag’ giving me the warning on the grid. Has anyone else had the warning on the grid ?

 

[ARTAsean]

So I give it one more try and don’t get the warning on the grid and don’t get disqualified. Maybe I got some sort of stuck ‘flag’ giving me the warning on the grid. Has anyone else had the warning on the grid ?

Without telling anyone, PD quietly removed the Time penalty for most little collisions and instead just made them Neg your SR. Unfortunately, they also implemented a system, in which when too many of these little collisions accrue, you get removed from the race.

To answer your question, yes everyone and their mom has been posting about this little warning.

The obvious solution is to work on your racecraft. All collisions can be avoided. A big hit to your SR isn't worth a position in a race.

 

[Zenjungian]

To answer your question, yes everyone and their mom has been posting about this little warning.

The obvious solution is to work on your racecraft. All collisions can be avoided. A big hit to your SR isn't worth a position in a race.

Ok, thanks for your reply. I didn’t realise everyone had been posting about this, though I did do a quick search. Last night was the first time I noticed it. I think disqualification for bad driving is fair enough but a warning on the grid followed by disqualification when some one rear ends me on the first bend is a bit stiff. I take your point about improving SR but as has been noted before it’s pretty tricky climbing back up once you’ve slipped - and disqualification costs several SR points.


I’m not sure *all* collisions can be avoided. If the driver behind either deliberately or accidentally rear ends you on a bend there is nothing to be done. And this probably happens more frequently lower down the SR rankings. I suppose I’m going to have to get used to the new system - though no doubt it will change again without warning soon enough.

 

[zzz_pt]

Most probably that rear touch was not the deciding factor, but all the previous touches you had leading up to the warning. Just try and avoid racing as "close" as you are at the moment and work on your race craft, as someone suggested. I know some touches can't be avoided because someone else is not braking enough or just being too aggressive, but what depends on you can be improved. If you improve your lines, braking points and corner speed. Use the radar as well when you're fighting for position in wheel to wheel situations. I'd bet this warning will never appear ever again.

 

[ShiftingGears]

The obvious solution is to work on your racecraft. All collisions can be avoided. A big hit to your SR isn't worth a position in a race.

The problem is not all collisions can be avoided by the person who loses SR. See: bump drafting.

That said, I keep it clean enough and haven't received the warning, ever.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I dunno, takes a whole lot of collisions to get that warning. Are you sure all prior collisions weren't your fault? I mean, I've spammed Race C recently and got my fair share of bumps, sometimes my fault sometimes not, but I haven't even gotten so far as to receive a red SR rating. Never experienced this disqualification either, so...

 

[suprajef]

Iracing does it

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I dunno, takes a whole lot of collisions to get that warning. Are you sure all prior collisions weren't your fault? I mean, I've spammed Race C recently and got my fair share of bumps, sometimes my fault sometimes not, but I haven't even gotten so far as to receive a red SR rating. Never experienced this disqualification either, so...

The one I recorded I got the warning after 2 bumps from behind:

A 3rd bump and 4th bump did not result in SR Down as I got bumped into the wall, however that 4th bump into the wall made my car veer to the inside where I got lightly bumped from behind again for the 3rd SR Down and DQ.

That was in SR.D or SR.C though as BMB was the express elevator down for SR. However it was far from consistent. I had many other races with a lot more draft bumping resulting in SR Downs, also in SR.D or SR.C without any warning or DQ.

I haven't had any warnings this week on Tokyo despite getting draft bumped enough to receive a red rating. I have seen someone else get kicked out, likely DQ'd. Of course not the ones driving around with ridiculous amounts of penalties.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

The one I recorded I got the warning after 2 bumps from behind:

A 3rd bump and 4th bump did not result in SR Down as I got bumped into the wall, however that 4th bump into the wall made my car veer to the inside where I got lightly bumped from behind again for the 3rd SR Down and DQ.

That was in SR.D or SR.C though as BMB was the express elevator down for SR. However it was far from consistent. I had many other races with a lot more draft bumping and SR Downs, also down in SR.D or SR.C without any warning or DQ.

I haven't had any warnings this week on Tokyo despite getting draft bumped enough to receive a red rating. I have seen someone else get kicked out, likely DQ'd. Of course not the ones driving around with ridiculous amounts of penalties.

Of course it will be a different story there, last week's Bluemoon Bay was just completely broken as a whole. You're in SR C-D as well there where literally no one knows how to race.

Unless OP is in SR C-D as well, he didn't specify his SR after all, which then I'll ask, why is he in SR C-D in the first place?

At the very least, even if the DQ system is inconsistent, it should still require said player to rack up quite a few collisions

 

[Chiefy17]

I mentioned it earlier but there must be some sort of sr down quota for the day or something similar as my first race at maggiore last week after doing bluemoon it popped up as soon as autodrive disengaged to start the race.

I dunno, takes a whole lot of collisions to get that warning. Are you sure all prior collisions weren't your fault? I mean, I've spammed Race C recently and got my fair share of bumps, sometimes my fault sometimes not, but I haven't even gotten so far as to receive a red SR rating. Never experienced this disqualification either, so...

 

[Oswald07]

Ok, thanks for your reply. I didn’t realise everyone had been posting about this, though I did do a quick search. Last night was the first time I noticed it. I think disqualification for bad driving is fair enough but a warning on the grid followed by disqualification when some one rear ends me on the first bend is a bit stiff. I take your point about improving SR but as has been noted before it’s pretty tricky climbing back up once you’ve slipped - and disqualification costs several SR points.

If your SR is consistently dropping in a certain race I can suggest a number of things; For one thing stop doing that race and do say race B. Or you can try to improve your qualifying time and you won't be racing the same people. And finally race at different times of day, home from school or work time is the worst.
And if you are truly a clean racer these things will in the long run help you more than hurt.

 

[absbrain]

If your SR is consistently dropping in a certain race I can suggest a number of things; For one thing stop doing that race and do say race B. Or you can try to improve your qualifying time and you won't be racing the same people. And finally race at different times of day, home from school or work time is the worst.
And if you are truly a clean racer these things will in the long run help you more than hurt.

Improving yout quali time is not a good advice. You will most likely be racing faster people than you (race pace wise) and trying to stop them, and in lower SR ranks thats a sure recipe for disaster.
Best advice is to be very very very conservative first two turns, try to avoid everyone and than try to race cleanly. The best qual time is a sweet spot where those behind you can not keep up with you, and you are slower than those ahead of you. (So yeah - very very boring races but it rebuilds your SR).
Also I had clean races at SR D, SR C, there's a bunch of regular people there now, it's only they had some bad moments and now are serving a punishment (innocent or not ).

 

[FoRiZon]

There are some SR bugs occured on said race.

This for example got warning the moment it starts for no reason at all.

 

[absbrain]

the game rememebrs your last race and last warnings. it does not matter you are starting the race, you are on "probation"

 

[FoRiZon]

the game rememebrs your last race and last warnings. it does not matter you are starting the race, you are on "probation"

Well that's weird. Really weird.

AFAIK what matters from other races are the ratings which determines what kind of opponent you'll face. No more.

 

[absbrain]

Well that's weird. Really weird.

AFAIK what matters from other races are the ratings which determines what kind of opponent you'll face. No more.

Well, it is what it is. I don't really mind new penalty system, in promotes clean racing and it mixed up the SR ranks, so the racing is more clean in all classes.
The only thing I mind is orange SR for the lead car if it's bumped from behind (and it is moving in proper speed and no break check). That should be easily repairable and I expect it in next update.

Edit: I watch my rear view mirror all the time, and don't mind bump or two, but if I think that the guy behind me is doing it on purpose, next time I duly go in the wall, or off track so he gets a proper penalty.

 

[suprajef]

The one I recorded I got the warning after 2 bumps from behind:

A 3rd bump and 4th bump did not result in SR Down as I got bumped into the wall, however that 4th bump into the wall made my car veer to the inside where I got lightly bumped from behind again for the 3rd SR Down and DQ.

That was in SR.D or SR.C though as BMB was the express elevator down for SR. However it was far from consistent. I had many other races with a lot more draft bumping resulting in SR Downs, also in SR.D or SR.C without any warning or DQ.

I haven't had any warnings this week on Tokyo despite getting draft bumped enough to receive a red rating. I have seen someone else get kicked out, likely DQ'd. Of course not the ones driving around with ridiculous amounts of penalties.

How can this game not figure out this

 

[Macboyilija]

Because 1 year is not enough for PD. They need more years of investigating these kind of bumps from the back.

 

[Oswald07]

There are some SR bugs occured on said race.

This for example got warning the moment it starts for no reason at all.

Well how low is your SR. If your SR is around say zero you better tip toe.

Improving yout quali time is not a good advice. You will most likely be racing faster people than you (race pace wise) and trying to stop them, and in lower SR ranks thats a sure recipe for disaster.
Best advice is to be very very very conservative first two turns, try to avoid everyone and than try to race cleanly. The best qual time is a sweet spot where those behind you can not keep up with you, and you are slower than those ahead of you. (So yeah - very very boring races but it rebuilds your SR).
Also I had clean races at SR D, SR C, there's a bunch of regular people there now, it's only they had some bad moments and now are serving a punishment (innocent or not ).

I just feel that pushing to increase your qualifying time will force you to improve your driving skill. And performing at a higher level should have you playing with people who are similarly interested in racing not bumping. While contributing to over all satisfaction with the game. I feel that with a game like this I am first racing against myself trying to improve my braking turning consistency. Then I am trying to improve race craft passing cleanly defending cleanly. Obviously this can't always be true on every track and there are rammers at all levels. But I am much happier racing as an AS than a BB. And in B you you can start top 5 being 2 seconds off top 10. In A you have to qualify 1 second from top 10 or you will be going backwards.

What are you referring to serving punishments?

 

[Zenjungian]

So there is some debate as to whether the game is ‘remembering’ past performance or is bugged. I have certainly had a warning on the grid with no race contacts taking place following a blue SR score.

If the system is working as intended then I feel I should at least be told exactly what the penalty system is! What are the rules ? It is crazy that we should be working this out for ourselves.

 

[absbrain]

I just feel that pushing to increase your qualifying time will force you to improve your driving skill. And performing at a higher level should have you playing with people who are similarly interested in racing not bumping. While contributing to over all satisfaction with the game. I feel that with a game like this I am first racing against myself trying to improve my braking turning consistency. Then I am trying to improve race craft passing cleanly defending cleanly. Obviously this can't always be true on every track and there are rammers at all levels. But I am much happier racing as an AS than a BB. And in B you you can start top 5 being 2 seconds off top 10. In A you have to qualify 1 second from top 10 or you will be going backwards.

What are you referring to serving punishments?

You are describing the perfect way to play this game, however the game itself is far from perfect. For starters, most players (myself included) are far from DR A (and ranks are full od B, C, D) drivers and the standards are far lower there (because people don't ram you on purpose, they just try things that are not possible and end up in tears). So it is pretty dangerous to be out of place qualy wise. If I'm starting 10th, I try to pass T1 cleanly, on the backside of someone in front of me - I think that's safest way. Than I control what happens on track - noone will ram me from behind simply because I'm faster than them. If I spend two days qualifying I will get very good time, but the roles are reversed, I'm driving defensively and I'm at the mercy of someone behind me and the flawed penalty system.
And with the new rules - there is no "clean" defending. Someone will surely tap you (er even not that - lag will do it for you) and you will both get orange SR. DO it for 3-4 times and you are both out.

I agree with you - driving at SR S if far more pleasurable than driving at SR B-C-D and "serving the punishment" means that exactly. I had a bad week at Red Bull Ring (with the change of rules and to me properly unknown track) and I served my penalty at MOunt Panorama for a week because it's three laps are too short (and walls too close) to any meaningfull rebuild of SR. Now i think i am Sr B.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Of course it will be a different story there, last week's Bluemoon Bay was just completely broken as a whole. You're in SR C-D as well there where literally no one knows how to race.

Unless OP is in SR C-D as well, he didn't specify his SR after all, which then I'll ask, why is he in SR C-D in the first place?

At the very least, even if the DQ system is inconsistent, it should still require said player to rack up quite a few collisions

Actually racing in SR.C / SR.D on BMB at the front of the pack was a lot better than at SR.S!

Well how low is your SR. If your SR is around say zero you better tip toe.

And that's pretty upside down really, which led to races at SR.D and SR.C being cleaner and more respectful than at SR.B. It should be a zero tolerance policy at SR.S, yet there you get the freedom to spend the SR budget on bumping people off however you see fit.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Actually racing in SR.C / SR.D on BMB at the front of the pack was a lot better than at SR.S!

That's... new

 

[Oswald07]

You are describing the perfect way to play this game, however the game itself is far from perfect. For starters, most players (myself included) are far from DR A (and ranks are full od B, C, D) drivers and the standards are far lower there (because people don't ram you on purpose, they just try things that are not possible and end up in tears). So it is pretty dangerous to be out of place qualy wise. If I'm starting 10th, I try to pass T1 cleanly, on the backside of someone in front of me - I think that's safest way. Than I control what happens on track - noone will ram me from behind simply because I'm faster than them. If I spend two days qualifying I will get very good time, but the roles are reversed, I'm driving defensively and I'm at the mercy of someone behind me and the flawed penalty system.
And with the new rules - there is no "clean" defending. Someone will surely tap you (er even not that - lag will do it for you) and you will both get orange SR. DO it for 3-4 times and you are both out.

I agree with you - driving at SR S if far more pleasurable than driving at SR B-C-D and "serving the punishment" means that exactly. I had a bad week at Red Bull Ring (with the change of rules and to me properly unknown track) and I served my penalty at MOunt Panorama for a week because it's three laps are too short (and walls too close) to any meaningfull rebuild of SR. Now i think i am Sr B.

If someone is truly faster than you, not just on you because you made one mistake, if they are truly faster than you then let them go. If you defend for more than 2 or 3 turns they will grow impatient of your weaving and what will look to them like poor braking. You will put them under pressure from someone behind them and then they will spend some SR and bump you wide.
On the other hand if your fast enough to start 5th and your starting 10th to avoid getting rear ended into the first turn your gonna get a lot worse whe you try to pass 9th and you honest mistake rub him a little making him feel justified in ramming you on the next turn. your way better off with track position to start with. And better to start with the skilled top 5 than the noob bottom 5.

 

[syntex123]

If it happens again I’m leaving this game and this community.

*waves goodbye* I felt like reading it all and find a way to respond. But reading you raging so hard that you ‘threaten’ to leave GTP made me giggle. What has this community done to you? Nothing. The game bugged up for you. So what? Happens all the time. (Whoops. I’m actually responding)

 

[Zenjungian]

*waves goodbye* I felt like reading it all and find a way to respond. But reading you raging so hard that you ‘threaten’ to leave GTP made me giggle. What has this community done to you? Nothing. The game bugged up for you. So what? Happens all the time. (Whoops. I’m actually responding)

Yeah well thanks for responding. I was just mad at the game for disqualifying me without explaining why and then ‘bugging up’ as you say, making the situation worse. I didn’t mean to threaten the community- what I meant was if I leave the game I leave the community by default, which I wouldn’t want to do. As it is, responses on here helped me cool off :-)