VIctoria's Secret

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Victoria's Secret

  • The homogenization and exploitation of women's sexuality to an unattainable ideal?

    Votes: 14 34.1%

  • Their catalog is my favorite book.

    Votes: 27 65.9%
  • Total voters
    41
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I'm a guy. I'm supposed to love that my wife gets a Victoria's Secret catalog every day from November to January.

I don't even know where to start. This company disgusts me. They spam the countryside with their soft porn ads. They advertize on TV. They had a "fashion show" on NBC (which I didn't see). They seem to be geting really huge.

Is it me or does "corporate panties" freak you out, too? Is a little shame not a good thing?

Of course my wife's Christmas list has a couple Victoria's Secret items on it, and of course I will oblige (not sexy undies this year unless they make maternity lingere), but only grudgingly.

Don't get me wrong. Women need underwear and if it's pretty, great. But this whole popularization and exploitation of sexuality by this corporation disturbs me.

Also, the emaciated models are such a farce. I used to think these stick chicks were hot but for several years now their protruding bones and gaunt faces have grossed me out. And there's also the unrealistic female ideal they propagate, which most people realize by now.

I dunno. What do you all think. I'm curious to see the difference in responses between the various ages here. A woman's response would be valued, too.
 
I guess I agree with you for the most part. Though you seem to want to banish these kinds of things from the land. If it's not directly damaging anyone, then I see nothing wrong with its existance. It hasn't reached the point that it's unavoidable, so if you don't like it, avoid it.

It is, however, putting a bad image of what a girl should grow up to be into the minds of young boys and girls. I guess a comparison would be the cigarette industry. They have a strange talent of making people think it's cool to smoke. As we mature it's quite evident that smoking is not a good idea. Likewise, we realize that boney women with manipulated bodies are not that attractive.

I have nothing against the product, but the marketing technique needs to be modified.

But at the same time I don't think it's right that cigarette and alcohol companies aren't allowed to advertise on television. I have the understanding that this is enforced by the federal government? If the product is not illegal, why is it illegal to advertise it? I don't like what they're making, but they shouldn't be put on a leash like they are.

I guess I would say that I don't appreciate corporations making a buck on the imature youth of our country. They should be ashamed that they can't make a living doing business in a responcible manner, looking out for the future of our country and essentially their future customers.
 
I'm 100% with you. Once again, it is nothing but prefabricated desire made for people without enough imagination to have their own desire.
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
I guess I agree with you for the most part. Though you seem to want to banish these kinds of things from the land.
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I don't want that. I just want people to see through it. Then it will fade away on it's own.
 
Originally posted by milefile


I don't want that. I just want people to see through it. Then it will fade away on it's own.
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Oh well ... good luck on that one. It's not the governments that are brainwashing us anymore, it's the corporations. They have more to gain (:
 
I believe that Tobacco companies are not allowed to advertise on TV, but Alcohol (Hard Liquor) is not prohobitied from advetising, I just believe that they have a gentleman's agreement to not advertise.

I am a frequent shopper at Victoria's secret. My wife is not a supermodel. However, her theory (as well as a few past ex-girlfriends) is that sexy clothing makes you feel sexy. Much like a 3-piece suit makes you feel better. There is a difference between sexual and sensual. We shop for clothes that make her (and I) sensous.

Do I think that Victoria's Secret is corrupting our young men and women? No, but I do believe it can have a dangerous effect if not viewed properly. Much the same way that NASCAR can have a dangerous effect.

I'm disappointed that VS does use emaciated models to showcase their clothing. I do think it drives young women to sacrifice their bodies to to look unrealistic. This is a problem. However, if your children are getting their only views of beauty from looking in a VS magazine, it's not VS's fault. I think the parents need to exrecise their parental obligations to educate their children.

My parents never gave me "the talk" when I was in my teen years. The religious background was supposed to teach me that sex was reserved for marriage. Well, that didn't happen. For anyone of my parents children. In fact, Mom and Dad got a wake up call from my 15 year old brother.

This is where society has started to crumble. It is no longer a parent educating their children. It is the world at their fingertips that is doing the educating. When Mom and Dad both have to have a job so that they can afford a roof over their kids head, and food on the table society has failed itself.

I wish that my brother and sister didn't have to have a working spouse so that one parent would be home when the kids left for and arrived home from school. I also wish that more parents would be interactive with their childrens education and teachers.

So to bring this back around to the VS issue at hand, VS's barrage of TV and other advertising assaults is bordering on poor taste. When Frederick's of Hollywood holds their TV show, I'll throw my TV out the window. For not, I'll stick with the rabbit ears so I can watch The Simpsons once a week.

So to answer Milefile's question, VS does advertise an unattainable ideal in what women should look like. Is it unhealty for young women and men to strive for that? Only if you let them.

And besides would you want to see Roseanne modeling for VS?

AO
 
I've seen the ads and the catalogs.
What exactly is Vicky trying to keep secret?
A good woman's dress should be like a good preacher's sermon:
Short enough to keep them interested, but long enough to cover the subject.
And don't get me started on Ms. Stick-death chicks...
 
I like them. The women are beautiful. How could you even think they were ugly? I do however agree that is is soft porn. I was at the mall and there were live Victorias Secret models standing inside the store as you walked in. What exactly are they trying to do? Isn't that illegal?
 
Originally posted by Concept
I like them. The women are beautiful. How could you even think they were ugly? I do however agree that is is soft porn. I was at the mall and there were live Victorias Secret models standing inside the store as you walked in. What exactly are they trying to do? Isn't that illegal?
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That is so wierd. Well, they're obviously trying to lure men in to buy things for their women.

"Oh this is so cute honey, thank you. How did you find it?"

"Well dear, I was at the mall and I copped a view of these perfect, scantily covered t!ts so I went over. By the time I realized they were silicone it was to late, I'd already bought it."
 
Not really. Covers the same as a bikini, maybe a little more.

I guess if you were a pervert and got really close up with a flashlight or something you could see through the material, couldn't you, Doug?
 
Originally posted by Gil
I've seen the ads and the catalogs.
What exactly is Vicky trying to keep secret?
A good woman's dress should be like a good preacher's sermon:
Short enough to keep them interested, but long enough to cover the subject.
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Best post ever.

Is Victoria's Secret bad? Nah, turn the crap off. If you go off arguing that children are influenced by Victoria's Secret to look like x or act like x, then why don't we all buy hundreds of cars? Or is it just that car ads aren't as influencing?

If you have a problem with the models, then just remember that you don't have to watch the crap or read the crap, and especially that they only look like that because they have nothing else to offer - survival of the fittest, with 'survival' being re-defined, as I was arguing with a co-worker about today.

I guess if you were a pervert and got really close up with a flashlight or something you could see through the material, couldn't you, Doug?
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I dunno - I'm not allowed to get that close, and I have to stay even further when I've got a flashlight. :p
 
I know what you're saying, milefile. If I'm sick of sex being everywhere, then there must be too much! :lol:

The VS ads are kinda soft-porn. But they bother me less than ads that try to sneak sex in under my radar. have you seen the latest Jeep ad? The one where the girl in a bar hands a guy some coordinates on a napkin? he then catches up to her next to a large waterfall in a forest where she is apparently waiting for him. The tagline may as well be "Get Laid With Jeep" rather than "Go Anywhere". I find that sort of thing a little insulting, like I'm somehow dumb enough to think a car enhances my attractiveness. :irked:
 
Originally posted by M5Power


Best post ever.

Is Victoria's Secret bad? Nah, turn the crap off. If you go off arguing that children are influenced by Victoria's Secret to look like x or act like x, then why don't we all buy hundreds of cars? Or is it just that car ads aren't as influencing?

If you have a problem with the models, then just remember that you don't have to watch the crap or read the crap, and especially that they only look like that because they have nothing else to offer - survival of the fittest, with 'survival' being re-defined, as I was arguing with a co-worker about today.



I dunno - I'm not allowed to get that close, and I have to stay even further when I've got a flashlight. :p
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M5- I'm beginning to think you are a crotchety old man.
 
Somehow he meshes in some immaturity with the crotchety old man-ness.

Immature as in highlighting 'crotch' in a word.

Man-ness isn't a word. Yet.
 
Originally posted by risingson77
I know what you're saying, milefile. If I'm sick of sex being everywhere, then there must be too much! :lol:

The VS ads are kinda soft-porn. But they bother me less than ads that try to sneak sex in under my radar. have you seen the latest Jeep ad? The one where the girl in a bar hands a guy some coordinates on a napkin? he then catches up to her next to a large waterfall in a forest where she is apparently waiting for him. The tagline may as well be "Get Laid With Jeep" rather than "Go Anywhere". I find that sort of thing a little insulting, like I'm somehow dumb enough to think a car enhances my attractiveness. :irked:
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I haven't seen that one. Great. I drive a jeep.

But I guess you are right about VS being pretty much right in your face and not trying to trick you.
 
The funny thing is, in reply to whoever said that the VS girls are beautiful: they aren't. Look at them objectively for a minute. Most of them are proportioned horribly; a 12-year-old boy's body with some plastic boobs stuck on the front. And the outfits, the catalog, the image are so over-designed to manipulate the easily manipulated that the girls actually look completely frigid and sexless rather than alluring when you see past the thin veneer of glamour.

A real woman is not supposed to be some remote, abstract thing. A real woman is supposed to be right there sweating and panting too. She should look like that, not like... well, a tranquilized famine victim with fake boobs.
And no, I don't hold VS responsible for this. They're selling something people are willing to buy. Like milefile, I just wish people could see past all the artificiality and prefabrication.
 
And there's also the unrealistic female ideal they propagate, which most people realize by now.
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I see what you mean. America is the most "obese" country in the world. That is why such a thing is unattainable by many women (in the US that is). Go to a different country, like Poland and look to see if you find someone obese.A lot less likely there than here.
 
I was in a hurry when I posted earlier: (at work)
To add. I have to tell y'all God was onto something when he created women.
But just because I think that women are great, doesn't mean I want to see them naked or near naked with every blink of my eyes.
I guess that my view is also more objective (or perhaps clouded) because I am in the medical profession and I see entirely too many naked people of ALL ages, races, genders, sizes, etc.

Trust me on this: Not everyone looks good naked. And it makes me sad to think that the current crop of "models" are going to great lengths to get so thin that they look like they'd choke on a grain of rice. I like "fit" women, but I prefer voluptuous (look it up) women to stick toys. I'm a big man and I want and prefer a woman that is gonna feed me steak not tofu!

The definition of perfect wife is a woman who is an angel in the living room, and tigress in the bedroom. My wife can get "Vicky'd Up" in our bedroom. But I don't need to see it while I'm watching "JAG" or "Nash Bridges" at the dinner hour.

I know that "sex sells", That is a fact. But could we have at least a modicum of modesty?
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
I just wish people could see past all the artificiality and prefabrication.
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But we're Americans, we're not all smart like you and milefile. We need someone - preferably on a screen - to think for us.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm not surprised.

Does she ever scream out obscenities toward Dick Durbin at your house? Did she work on Peter Fitzgerald's campaign?
 

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