Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Archive

[daan]

Dickheads

Air jack guy at GRM should be sacked immediately...
Friggin idiot

Tone it down a bit. Thanks.

 

[nissman]

Any videos of the race?

 

[The Stig Farmer]

The V8s were getting more air than SSTs today, heheh

 

[05XR8]

Any videos of the race?

Highlights from the website. V8SC have cracked down on full races so, you may have to search YouTube really hard for full races.
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/view/videos/race-24-highlights-wilson-security-sandown-500

 

[Spacegoat]

Went to dinner with the folks at the local RSL, so I didn't see the last 30 odd laps. Doesn't seem like I missed too much. All four Walkinshaw cars finished in the top ten though. Nice.

Man of the Match has to go to Jack Perkins and Russel Ingall for their amazing drive from the rear to the Top 10. A close runner up would have to be Tim Blanchard and Karl Reindler for dragging the LDM #3 all the way up to 8th place.

I'd agree with that. Big props to Blanchard, I don't really rate the guy that much, honestly I was waiting for him to fall back through the grid after Reindler's awesome first stint but he did an excellent job. Really great result for the #3 team. 👍

 

[NW48]

Remember that V6 Turbo for 2017 that was set to he trialled at the Bathurst 1000, well... a bit of bad news, it won't be debuted until the season-ending Sydney 500. Bit of a bummer really. Missed opportunity by V8SC.

 

[05XR8]

They did that with COTF. Running the Nissan, SBR, VF and FGII at Homebush.

 

[TiZzla]

Remember that V6 Turbo for 2017 that was set to he trialled at the Bathurst 1000, well... a bit of bad news, it won't be debuted until the season-ending Sydney 500. Bit of a bummer really. Missed opportunity by V8SC.

What car were they going to run it in? I can't see how they are going to manage parity with turbo engines, even the Nissan/Merc v8's have been way off in terms of performance and fuel economy so a turbo engine will be a completely different headache.

 

[NW48]

They did that with COTF. Running the Nissan, SBR, VF and FGII at Homebush.

Yeah, but I honestly think that running your new prototype engine should be done at your biggest event, where more people, especially international market, will see it.

What car were they going to run it in? I can't see how they are going to manage parity with turbo engines, even the Nissan/Merc v8's have been way off in terms of performance and fuel economy so a turbo engine will be a completely different headache.

Holden VF Commodore COTF Chasis

 

[Spacegoat]

Yeah, but I honestly think that running your new prototype engine should be done at your biggest event, where more people, especially international market, will see it.

Well, that. And personally I'd much prefer to see it being thrown around Mt Panorama than that Homebush track.

 

[05XR8]

Maybe they'll have it in the VFII body work for Homebush. Can't show it being faster than the current cars down Conrod.

 

[NW48]

Can't show it being faster than the current cars down Conrod.

It'll shut the ignorant doubters up, though.

 

[ThomasJarrett]

I know it was never gonna happen But I would of liked to of seen each manufacturer with a gen 2 car at the KL demo...

 

[05XR8]

It'll shut the ignorant doubters up, though.

I'm thinking more for aero data.

 

[nissman]

Highlights from the website. V8SC have cracked down on full races so, you may have to search YouTube really hard for full races.
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/view/videos/race-24-highlights-wilson-security-sandown-500

Watching the replay now on Motors TV. 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What car were they going to run it in? I can't see how they are going to manage parity with turbo engines, even the Nissan/Merc v8's have been way off in terms of performance and fuel economy so a turbo engine will be a completely different headache.

Learning from how to do it better than they did in the late 80s and 90s.

 

[TDZdave]

Well GT3 cars have varied engine configurations and so many more manufacturers then V8SC, and the racing is brilliant, yeah BoP needs continual adjustment but GT3 is proof that it works

 

[TiZzla]

Well GT3 cars have varied engine configurations and so many more manufacturers then V8SC, and the racing is brilliant, yeah BoP needs continual adjustment but GT3 is proof that it works

Don't they add weight penalties to cars on certain tracks to try and keep things close? This year at the Bathurst 12 hour there were massive differences in straight line speed between the GT3 cars, the Nissan GTR was just ridiculous.

V8 Supercars is so tight in times that any small advantage would make a hug difference. Having turbo engines will mean better low end torque and that alone will completely mess up the parity with the v8's.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Don't they add weight penalties to cars on certain tracks to try and keep things close? This year at the Bathurst 12 hour there were massive differences in straight line speed between the GT3 cars, the Nissan GTR was just ridiculous.

V8 Supercars is so tight in times that any small advantage would make a hug difference. Having turbo engines will mean better low end torque and that alone will completely mess up the parity with the v8's.

The GT-R GT3 is pretty quick in a straight line all over the world, just a feature of that car.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Don't they add weight penalties to cars on certain tracks to try and keep things close? This year at the Bathurst 12 hour there were massive differences in straight line speed between the GT3 cars, the Nissan GTR was just ridiculous.

V8 Supercars is so tight in times that any small advantage would make a hug difference. Having turbo engines will mean better low end torque and that alone will completely mess up the parity with the v8's.

They've had it before with turbo engines vs. NA V8s back in the ATCC days. With today's more modernized technology that allows the cars to be regulated it's far easier than in past years especially then. It's not impossible as you seem to paint it. Also the GT-R in race trim started life with a V8 and was very fast out of the box to start with, and in the V6TT trim is runs RWD, point is that's not a great car to use for your argument because in various trim it's shown the car itself is just inherently fast. As @R1600Turbo puts it.

The times can still be tight and have different power units, but I'm sure there will be areas where one is better than the other, but as long as times are balanced along with the cars it wont be an issue.

 

[mustafur]

When was the last time ATCC used Ballast?

It hasn't been a fixture in the V8 era.

As much as Turbos are the future, it will completely change the racing and im not sure if it will be for the better.

When you compare tracks such as Symonds Plains to Bathurst that provides a BoP nightmare.

 

[TiZzla]

They've had it before with turbo engines vs. NA V8s back in the ATCC days. With today's more modernized technology that allows the cars to be regulated it's far easier than in past years especially then. It's not impossible as you seem to paint it. Also the GT-R in race trim started life with a V8 and was very fast out of the box to start with, and in the V6TT trim is runs RWD, point is that's not a great car to use for your argument because in various trim it's shown the car itself is just inherently fast. As @R1600Turbo puts it.

The times can still be tight and have different power units, but I'm sure there will be areas where one is better than the other, but as long as times are balanced along with the cars it wont be an issue.

My point was that the GTR is a lot faster than some of the other GT3 cars in a straight line, same with the SLS GT3. In GT3 they can balance the performance by giving the bigger heavier cars more power and the smaller better handling cars less, but in the V8 Supercars this won't be possible as every chassis is essentially identical under the skin. When we have the entire 25 car field split by less than 1 second in qualifying throwing turbo engines in the mix or any engine that is not a 5 litre V8 we will see much bigger variations in times.

I'm glad it's happening as it means more brands will enter the series but I know it will cause some drama, we already get people complaining about parity with the different aero kits so this will be 10x worse.

 

[mustafur]

Unless they mandate the Turbo engines like they do with the current N/A 5L, the variations will likely be massive and stay that way.

Having Multi Displacement Turbos with different configurations would make things more technology focused, but parity would be all over the place.

 

[TiZzla]

Unless they mandate the Turbo engines like they do with the current N/A 5L, the variations will likely be massive and stay that way.

Having Multi Displacement Turbos with different configurations would make things more technology focused, but parity would be all over the place.

Yeah, opening up the category to coupe shape cars is good but engine configuration not so much. Turbos will either be banned or everyone will switch to turbo v6 within a year

 

[CodeRedR51]

Yeah, opening up the category to coupe shape cars is good but engine configuration not so much. Turbos will either be banned or everyone will switch to turbo v6 within a year

I have a feeling Nissan will do one of two things: Stay with their current engine since they have put so much work into it, or use the GT-R V6 TT since it's a well proven setup and super easy to switch to.

Edit: Or use a variation of the 3.0L TT from the GT-R LM...

 

[TiZzla]

I have a feeling Nissan will do one of two things: Stay with their current engine since they have put so much work into it, or use the GT-R V6 TT since it's a well proven setup and super easy to switch to.

Edit: Or use a variation of the 3.0L TT from the GT-R LM...

Yeah and they should, but they have spent so much time and money on the current V8 they won't want to.

Speaking of Nissan a good example of how sensitive this category is to performance parity was when the two Norton Nissan Altimas ran a slightly different fuel blend to the other cars in a Saturday race. Top speed and peak power levels were the same but because of the different torque curves both cars destroyed everyone, they were switched back to the same fuel on Sunday and had nowhere near the same speed and that fuel was never used again

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

My point was that the GTR is a lot faster than some of the other GT3 cars in a straight line, same with the SLS GT3. In GT3 they can balance the performance by giving the bigger heavier cars more power and the smaller better handling cars less, but in the V8 Supercars this won't be possible as every chassis is essentially identical under the skin. When we have the entire 25 car field split by less than 1 second in qualifying throwing turbo engines in the mix or any engine that is not a 5 litre V8 we will see much bigger variations in times.

I'm glad it's happening as it means more brands will enter the series but I know it will cause some drama, we already get people complaining about parity with the different aero kits so this will be 10x worse.

My point is I clearly get that, but the reason as demonstrated is because some cars are going to just be that way despite what powertrain they run. Also they can do it even if the chassis are the same, it would just be deciding a displacement to run the turbo engines at and then boost levels and flow rates. This will keep power between the two types comparable and also do what they do in other racing series in which bigger engines or more powerful engine options run tighter fuel restrictions to keep the BoP.

The idea that this can't work, to me is silly especially when other groups manage this and use a template for what cars should conform to, even if they're not fully spec like V8s.

 

[TDZdave]

Yeah and they should, but they have spent so much time and money on the current V8 they won't want to.

Speaking of Nissan a good example of how sensitive this category is to performance parity was when the two Norton Nissan Altimas ran a slightly different fuel blend to the other cars in a Saturday race. Top speed and peak power levels were the same but because of the different torque curves both cars destroyed everyone, they were switched back to the same fuel on Sunday and had nowhere near the same speed and that fuel was never used again

I dont believe they were allowed to actually race on that fuel, I'm fairly sure it was only permitted in the practice sessions, one of the Mercs also used it, Winton is one of Nissans test tracks and they are always strong there because of it,

 

[TiZzla]

I dont believe they were allowed to actually race on that fuel, I'm fairly sure it was only permitted in the practice sessions, one of the Mercs also used it, Winton is one of Nissans test tracks and they are always strong there because of it,

They qualified and raced on it, and yes the Nissans were already quite fast there but the fuel gave them a boost and pushed those two cars to the front. All of the drivers/teams were talking about it and V8Supercars tried very hard to convince everybody that the fuel did not give them an advantage.

 

[Spacegoat]

Dunlop Series to trial LED info panel system at Bathurst.