Wal-Mart suing a former employee for thier money back.

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While browsing the Yahoo News, I noticed that there was a clip on Wal-mart in the homepage in the small box. So I click on the link and watch the clip.
After a tragic accident leaving the former employee had with a semi truck, leaving her immobile, Wal-mart paid for her medical bills since before the accident. I just now looked for a article about this incident.
Wal-mart Watch
Victimizing a Victim: A New Story of Wal-Mart’s “Standard Procedure”

For Immediate Release
Tuesday, August 16, 2005

Washington, D.C., August 16, 2005 – Coinciding with reports that Wal-Mart reaped $2.8 billion in profits last quarter alone, there is a new story about an accident victim that offers a different perspective into Wal-Mart’s greed-filled business practices. Wal-Mart is suing this victim to take away the money designated to pay her medical bills.

Wal-Mart Watch Executive Director Andrew Grossman commented, “What Wal-Mart calls ‘standard procedure’ should be nothing of the kind. For a company already embattled nationwide for its woeful health insurance coverage, this story reveals the chilling depths of the greed of the world’s largest company. Are Wal-Mart, Lee Scott, and the Walton family really willing to inflict further suffering upon this family while counting their billions back in Bentonville?”

Background

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports on a Wal-Mart employee gravely injured in a car accident in 2000. Debbie Shank worked the night shift stocking shelves at a Missouri Wal-Mart. After a collision with a truck, she was brain damaged and confined to a nursing home; the driver of the other vehicle was found to be at fault. Her Wal-Mart health insurance paid the bills from the accident and the court judgment allows her family to continue to pay her massive medical bills. But now, Wal-Mart is suing Ms. Shank to get that judgment paid back to them, entering federal court demanding the civil suit judgment and legal fees be paid back to the company – nearly $470,000. Ms. Shank’s attorney estimates that her total medical bills will climb into the millions given the nature of her injuries.

The Post-Dispatch cites employment lawyers who claim a suit like this is a “not uncommon” way for health plans to recoup medical expenses and that self-funded health plans are indeed allowed under federal law to recoup their costs . However, another employment lawyer characterized Wal-Mart as “one of the more aggressive and assertive [companies] in doing this” and that courts “are becoming more critical of suits filed by health plans. They recognize the unfairness of this.” Wal-Mart offered little comment on the case, except to call it “standard procedure.”
Is the big corporations taking too far? Did the corporations never thought one of their employee's might be in this plan.
Off topic: I work at the local Target here and I always here how Target is too expensive and what not but who knows. If I do sign up for the medical, I am sure to read the small fine print. Here is another article about this :Here and another one here
 
If you have a problem with Wal Mart, shop mom and pop.
 
Sounds like the other driver/other driver's insurance was liable for the damages. I'm actually surprised Walmart paid anything in the first place.
 
Yet one more reason why I continue to shop at the locally owned and managed Meijer chain here in West Michigan. I can't stand Wal*Mart even if they are one of capitalism's greatest "successes."
 
Yet one more reason why I continue to shop at the locally owned and managed Meijer chain here in West Michigan. I can't stand Wal*Mart even if they are one of capitalism's greatest "successes."

What's interesting is my uncle works for Meijers (something to do with going to various places and looking for new products to sell), it's a pretty good store and is practically the original Super Target or Super Walmart.
 
Its been around longer, as far as I can tell pay employees fairly, and of course while maybe not having the cheapest produce or Levi jeans available, they nevertheless offer excellent customer service and an amazingly "clean" atmosphere that is unrivaled.

Just as an update:

Look for your local Meijer to go all-organic within the next year or two. The "flagship" store for the company is about a 10 minute drive from my house, everything is "green" and organic that they sell now... Its absolutely awesome!
 
I shop mom-and-pop when I can. I'll do alot to avoid going to Wal-Mart. I think I've managed to go once in the past six months.
 
Its been around longer, as far as I can tell pay employees fairly, and of course while maybe not having the cheapest produce or Levi jeans available, they nevertheless offer excellent customer service and an amazingly "clean" atmosphere that is unrivaled.

Just as an update:

Look for your local Meijer to go all-organic within the next year or two. The "flagship" store for the company is about a 10 minute drive from my house, everything is "green" and organic that they sell now... Its absolutely awesome!

The Meijer's in your area must be a lot different then the ones on this side of the state. I only go in there if I have to, they are dirty and the people that work there don't give off a very friendly vibe. I tend to shop at Krogers which is quite nice, although I don't know how national they are.
 
I'm a little surprised Walmart is doing this. I can't think of anybody else I would expect it from though.

Its been around longer, as far as I can tell pay employees fairly, and of course while maybe not having the cheapest produce or Levi jeans available, they nevertheless offer excellent customer service and an amazingly "clean" atmosphere that is unrivaled.

Just as an update:

Look for your local Meijer to go all-organic within the next year or two. The "flagship" store for the company is about a 10 minute drive from my house, everything is "green" and organic that they sell now... Its absolutely awesome!

Is that the one on the M6? That one looks like a very nice store. I am still trying to figure out what Meijer is, although I have accepted that it isn't a ghetto Walmart. I still feel a little guilty shopping there because I'm not sure how they treat employees, but I haven't found anywhere else and I can't really afford anything else.

The Meijer's in your area must be a lot different then the ones on this side of the state. I only go in there if I have to, they are dirty and the people that work there don't give off a very friendly vibe. I tend to shop at Krogers which is quite nice, although I don't know how national they are.

I think each store is pretty hit-or-miss. There is that really nice one in GR that YSS mentioned, but the one here in Holland on 31 is pretty bad.

I like the Seattle situation better where the only Walmarts I know of are over an hour away in Tulalip and somewhere on the Kitsap peninsula. And I stumbled upon the first Sam's Club I've seen out there over break. I guess West Coast Liberals just won't put up with it seeing that we all shop at Albertson's like stores for food and go to the mall for clothes.

I don't think Kroger's is that national, but they recently bought QFC out west, so you can probably get pretty much the same experience anywhere with a different name.
 
It depends on what sort of contract Wal-Mart made her sign for her to receive payments in the first place. It doesn't put Wal-Mart in a good light, honestly; it's not as if she won a half-billion dollar settlement. I could honestly see Wal-Mart temporarily losing a half-million in lost profits from this sort bad publicity (which they'd probably get back from returning/new customers, anyhow).

I say they use should use the brain damage to their advantage, and accidentally use the summons paper for bird cage lining.
 
Same here.

if you have medical insurance with your employer, they will pay your medical bills. If they (the family) choose to sue the party at fault for damages which they should, the insurance company will try to recoup some of the money paid out.. I think this has to do with more the insurance company than wal-mart. I will say that Wal-mart does suck, i would never shop or work for them!
 
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if you have medical insurance with your employer, they will pay your medical bills.

Uh no. There are some important caveats that should be made to that statement. But I think you reached the right conclusion.
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As I stated earlier, Wal-Mart should not have paid a dime in the first place. This was an auto-accident. Last I checked, Wal-Mart was not an auto-insurance agency. This should be between the two auto-insurance companies. Wal-Mart's health plan should have nothing to do with it.

If it turns out that Wal-Mart was providing auto insurance coverage (which seems like a very strange notion to me), then Wal-Mart still should not have paid medical bills if the other driver was at fault (unless, by some bizarre coincidence, Wal-Mart was also insuring the other driver).

It sounds to me like the lawsuit is just and Wal-Mart should be paid back in full.
 
The Meijer's in your area must be a lot different then the ones on this side of the state. I only go in there if I have to, they are dirty and the people that work there don't give off a very friendly vibe. I tend to shop at Krogers which is quite nice, although I don't know how national they are.
The Meijer near me has made many improvements in the last 5 or so years. I shop there often. Kroger is a fairly regional company that started in Cincinatti, actually. They're the go-to store for groceries for most people in the area. It's general purpose though, so when you want something fancy or rare we have the Dayton-local Dorothy Lane Market, which is high-end and has 4 or 5 stores around here. They support local farms and organic food places and whatnot.

I go to all those places, but I don't particularly make an effort to keep away from Wal-Mart. It's easy.
 
But why did they pay anything in the first place?:odd: I doubt they just had brain fart and decided to pay her medical bills without having the clauses in mind.

I work for JPMorgan Chase, and their health and life insurance do cover accidents like these. About a year ago a co-worker broke his leg while hiking; Chase paid for his medical bills, he works for another company now, and Chase hasn't sued him or anything like that. (we still keep in touch)


What I'm thinking is that Wall-Mart decided to be responsible for the bills, with the condition of her returning to the job within a particular time. When they found out that her recuperation would take more time than expected, then they decided to ask for the money back.


Tough break for the lady nonetheless.
 
Let' say you leave your car parked on the street overnight and some low-down rotten bastid side-swipes it and takes off.

If you only have basic liability auto insurance coverage, you are out of luck and have to pay out of pocket for repairs. But if you have comprehensive coverage that includes damage from hit-and-runs or uninsured motorists, then your auto insurance company will pay for the damages.

Let's say the total cost is $5,000, and your insurance company promptly cuts you a check for that amount. You call a body shop and schedule an appointment for the following week.

The next day the local police dept. calls and says they've arrested the driver who hit your car in a separate incident and that they also have proof that he damaged your car. Amazingly, the police tell you that he is insured and gives you his policy information so you can file a claim. His insurance company looks at your car and offers to write you a check for $5,000.

So now you've been paid twice for the accident: once by your insurance company, whom you had a contract with stating if no one can be found at fault for an accident, they have you covered. Then again by the guilty-party's insurance company, because they are legally required to do so.

$10,000 for a $5,000 accident. Awesome huh?? Um. No. Because now YOUR insurance company wants their $5,000 back because there's a clause in your policy that states they are entitled to their money back if you are rewarded damages from the original guilty party.

This is pretty much what has happened to the Shankses. It's called subrogation.

Mrs. Shank had a policy with Walmart. In plain English, it basically says, "if you are in a horrible accident and you can't get anyone to pay your hospital bills, we will cover it." BUT it also says, "but if/when you sue someone and are awarded money from a settlement, then we want that money back".

The idea is that people don't need to be paid TWICE if something bad happens to them. All that does is drive up the cost of insurance for everybody.

The Wall Street Journal has a much better, more objective and fact filled article about this incident here.

It sucks what happened to Mrs. Shank. Totally. Because the trucking company who hit her should have paid out a lot more money than they did. But they were only insured for up to 1 million. And it seems pretty typical for injury settlements to come short after all the legal fees have been paid.

I'm actually thinking that the Shanks' attorney probably screwed up when he thought Walmart wasn't going to try getting that money back. They probably should have squeezed the trucking co. for more.

However, Walmart has a right to their money back. It's in the contact. It is an industry standard practice. It is perfectly legal and as far as I'm concerned, not unethical at all.

..Ironically, she probably would have made out a lot better (moneywise, anyway) if it was a Walmart truck that hit her. I'm sure those trucks are covered for much more than 1 mil.


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Now that makes sense, the first article left me confused how Wall-mart could be justified but now it becomes clear. It's real bad luck though, and poor form but I guess they're not a charity in the end.
 
Now that makes sense, the first article left me confused how Wall-mart could be justified but now it becomes clear.
Hmm, imagine that, a misleading article about Wal-Mart posted by Wal-Mart Watch.
 
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