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- yido
Does anyone have any opinion on this? At the time I was livid but did I bring it upon myself?
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Weaving under Breaking!?!
- Thread starter Ginger yido
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zzz_pt
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- zzz_pt
No. Both overtakes should have gotten penalties. First guy didn't brake while he was on your tail, hitting you when you started braking. Everyone with some racing experience and common sense knows that on that situation you need to account for the slipstream effect and brake a bit earlier. That or move to a different line. The second, not only did that but pushed you off track. At least that one got a 10 sec penalty but I don't know if that was the reason or not.
I didn't see any weaving while braking though.
This is why I have lost interest in sport mode. Made 1 or 2 races over the past month.
I didn't see any weaving while braking though.
This is why I have lost interest in sport mode. Made 1 or 2 races over the past month.
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- yido
Yeah I thought I may have on my first view, on the second time I though it was more straighting up my line. YI got damage to the car on the first incident which aloud 3rd to catch up. Would have expected 1st to get a 10sec pen as well though
I think the first corner was at least partly your fault - you went to defend the inside line which is sensible, but then approaching the brake point you set yourself up to go back to the outside line, the car behind sees this and moves to retake the inside and you then set your course back to the inside.
There’s the rule about 1 move to defend the straight (when you took inside line) and there is an acceptance that once the defence is complete a car may move back to the race line for the corner but must leave a car width (the move you start to make at the brake point). What isn’t “allowed” is what you then did when you stopped moving back to the race line and reverted back to the inside.
If you say you were just correcting then you confirm you made a mistake and the car behind is not at fault. If you drive hay way on purpose you were blocking.
The second incident is similar but probably more the guy behind - however there is a sniff of weaving to block in what happens after the chicane. The guy behind should’ve just gone to the outside but given what you did previously I guess you’d have tried to block again.
The lesson to learn is, if you’d defended legally against the first guy and they passed you without contact, you wouldn’t have had to defend against and then get hit by the second guy.
zzz_pt
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Look at the radar again. The OP didn't move from the inside to the outside and then to the inside again. After moving from the inside to more or less the middle of the track, he stays there until he gets hit. After being hit he tries to go to the inside and make an impossible corner. The guy behind the OP simply missed his braking point. And that gets even more apparent given the fact that after the contact he couldn't keep the car inside the track limits and went off track too.
OP defended legally. The 1st guy missed his braking point. The second missed his braking point and pushed the OP off track on the exit.
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- Johnnypenso
Neither incident was the fault of the OP. If I had to guess I'd say both drivers intentionally made contact to push you aside. Regardless of intent, it's the responsibility of the following driver to avoid contact when overtaking and that they did not do.
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This is a tough one to call. The reason I have a hard time putting all the blame on the cars in back is because you are so far off the racing line. In both instances you appear to purposefully get off the racing line to occupy the middle of the track, move towards the racing line, then move back to the inside.
Ultimately, the cars in back of you should have braked earlier, but I think you may have caused their hesitation in the braking zone. The follow up bump that put you off in the last corner was definitely dirty.
If anyone is a Formula One fan, you probably remember Max Verstappen doing that quite a bit last year.
Ultimately, the cars in back of you should have braked earlier, but I think you may have caused their hesitation in the braking zone. The follow up bump that put you off in the last corner was definitely dirty.
If anyone is a Formula One fan, you probably remember Max Verstappen doing that quite a bit last year.
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- yido
Yeah, on the first one I try to cover the inside and move the middle once I see him going for the outside ( always with the intention to leave enough room) when he cuts back I try and hold my line but, my a drift a fraction back to the right. He was quick so maybe just difference in braking spots (and it being the last lap) was a bitter pill as I'd been leading the whole race. Live and learn I guess 
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
My advice would be to pick a line and stick with it. If you're choosing to take a defensive inside line, cool, that's a solid idea, but don't second-guess it and start moving to block the outside as you enter the braking zone. The entire reason he was going to the left was because you had chose the inside line; you don't get to access that and the ideal racing line.
I'm not saying it was entirely your fault, as it looks like he also missed his braking point, and the nice thing to do would've been to give the spot back. Or, he hit you intentionally, because from his perspective, you seemed to either be very indecisive about what line you were taking, or were swerving to block. Either way, that one doesn't look completely clear-cut one way or the other, to me.
That's about the first incident, though. The second one isn't ambiguous at all; that guy was in the wrong. I'm not sure what he was hoping for following you on the inside, but the tap under braking and the push off track at the corner exit makes it clear he had no intention of playing clean.
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- Shottah072
Both instances the driver behind messed up. There was no weaving. First incident you defended inside and when he went outside you went to middle for better entry, this is perfectly fine as long as you leave room wich you did. The second incident the driver behind was just a moron. You went al the way to the right to prevent him going inside but he still thought it will be a good idea to try and chuck it up in there, bad driving of the guy behind.
This is not what Max did. Max went from outside to inside under braking. OP went from inside to middle leaving room on the outside wich is perfectly fine and legal.
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Max had a handful of debatable moves in the braking zone throughout the season. For example, Hungary in front of Raikkonen wasn't simply going from outside to inside.
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It was the final lap, you were defending for the win in a long race (fairly, in my opinion) and were rudely punted off twice. The game exaggerates the effect of the contact too much really, but we all have to deal with this.
In real life, the clerk (I know, as I was an MSA Clerk), would have you as the winner after penalising them.
The game got it half right, assuming the last corner guy got the penalty for his last corner move on you. The other guy got away with it, at your expense. A tainted victory there.
I would also not be happy, but this is a game and GT Sport does do a much better job of clerking and matching to similar level drivers, than the other racing games that I have experience of.
In real life, the clerk (I know, as I was an MSA Clerk), would have you as the winner after penalising them.
The game got it half right, assuming the last corner guy got the penalty for his last corner move on you. The other guy got away with it, at your expense. A tainted victory there.
I would also not be happy, but this is a game and GT Sport does do a much better job of clerking and matching to similar level drivers, than the other racing games that I have experience of.
