West Coast Ranking Tracker

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Ok I will do my best to track the west coast's situation on the wall bouncing and who has/hasn't bounced in the top 20. I don't know if this has value but it will help peace of mind. I have watched replays to determine if they have or not and this is what I have arrived at so far:

Madrid:
1 - Bounced - TUNERUSA 1:38.368
2 - Bounced - kadoimmortal 1:38.570
3 - Bounced - DOCTOR_ILL 1:38.603
4 - Bounced - hybrids2k 1:38.632
5 - Clean - GTP_TheCheef 1:38.637
6 - Bounced - crushyou 1:38.658
7 - Clean - GTXf_CudaMan 1:38.670
8 - Bounced - shadowtsunami 1:38.720
9 - Clean - Wardez 1:38.720
10 - Clean - R1600Turbo 1:38.795
11- Clean - TRC_Hunk 1:38.798
12- Unknown - racesimmer 1:38.850
13- Clean - gtp99 1:38.866
14- Clean - RackAttack 1:38.874
15- Unknown - NIKE_SBd 1:38.867
16- Clean - XBad_BloodXx 1:38.870
17- Bounced - McWilson281 1:38.875
18- Clean - CrymsonEcho 1:38.876
19- Unknown - brianm3 1:38.880
20- Unknown - EarlyAPEX 1:38.899
21- Clean - S_Diem 1:38.923

As of 12:05AM PST Rome is Clean in the top 10 👍
 
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Thanks for posting! You should save the replay in case too for proof to Sony or, PD or Nissan. I was going to start searching myself but thanks for listing it.

BTW, if you can trust me, VagaXt (me) is clean currently at 1:39.2xx
 
That's good information. 👍

6 out of the Top 10 in the West are wall bouncers. That's crazy! Is there an estimate of much time is gained by the wall bounce? It would be interesting to get an idea of what the standings should be if they had done their laps cleanly.
 
Someone record them and post on the GTA facebook and email to sony...I would but its late here..I did the same with the top two Madrid bouncers..

We can even do the file complaint form on the PSN site. Enough people file complaints, something is bound to be done.

 
TRC G00SE
Someone record them and post on the GTA facebook and email to sony...I would but its late here..I did the same with the top two Madrid bouncers..

We can even do the file complaint form on the PSN site. Enough people file complaints, something is bound to be done.

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I posted this on the GTA facebook under my girlfriends account just now.
 
outlaw4rc
That's good information. 👍

6 out of the Top 10 in the West are wall bouncers. That's crazy! Is there an estimate of much time is gained by the wall bounce? It would be interesting to get an idea of what the standings should be if they had done their laps cleanly.
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Hey, so I did some not so scientific testing using multiple leaderboard ghosts on the bounce. I used the current car, but I upgraded to sports hard so I could control my position relative to the ghosts for better data. What I did was pace them (within a tenth each time I crossed the timing belt) coming down the back straight and when I hit the brake point I used 1/4-1/2 brake to simulate the comfort mediums, I know not perfect, but close. I rolled through the corner most likely carrying additional speed due to tires and kept it floored to the finish line.

The basic result was a range from 0.6-1.0 sec of an overall difference, most were about a 0.8 sec advantage. This is HUGE, and that was with the advantage of Sports Hard grip! Realize this is not a perfect test but it gives you an idea of the bull going on.
 
I would definitely be bumped out of the competition if something isn't done about this... that would be such a bummer. I'm currently sitting 21st in the west as of 1:37am, and 6 of the top guys are wall bumping.👎
 
Just got #9 in the West without bouncing. I saved the replay just in case.

Got the same exact time as shadowtsukiyaki.
 
NWMann
Hey, so I did some not so scientific testing using multiple leaderboard ghosts on the bounce. I used the current car, but I upgraded to sports hard so I could control my position relative to the ghosts for better data. What I did was pace them (within a tenth each time I crossed the timing belt) coming down the back straight and when I hit the brake point I used 1/4-1/2 brake to simulate the comfort mediums, I know not perfect, but close. I rolled through the corner most likely carrying additional speed due to tires and kept it floored to the finish line.

The basic result was a range from 0.6-1.0 sec of an overall difference, most were about a 0.8 sec advantage. This is HUGE, and that was with the advantage of Sports Hard grip! Realize this is not a perfect test but it gives you an idea of the bull going on.
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I actually think that is a good estimate.

Before my knees gave out, I was able to do a few laps at Madrid and in one of my early sessions, I was stuck at around a 1:41 flat. On one of my laps, I was a tick back from my ghost going into the hairpin when I decided to brake a little later and basically replicated the wall bounce. Thinking I had screwed up, I kept on going anyway to start another lap and was quite surprised I got a 1:40.5 lap, a 0.5 second advantage.

If we go with your lowest number of 0.6, based on some quick calculations, had the bouncers done their laps cleanly, ALL the identified bouncers should be outside the Top 16.
 
I saw this happening early yesterday on one replay from some other region and was waiting to see how fast it would spread. It took a few hours but of course someone copied the first guy and so on and I saw myself get bumped down from 12th to 18th. I wanted to check out a ghost so I loaded DOCTOR_ILL and followed him around weird thing was it didn't count my lap after I wall rode even though I was slightly faster than my clean run and didn't go red. I started to test it during clean runs when I would have a slow lap to see what kind of time it made up and oh **** :scared: it counted and I was faster than I expected.:guilty: If I could take it back I would until I hear something from PD first but too late now.

Isn't it weird how we let the eifel cutting go like no big deal and now everyone is up in arms about wall riding. As soon as someone took to the grass there everyone else followed. I was watching some top drivers here on GTP use the grass cuts but nobody was criticizing that. If we are gonna complain about exploits lets keep it consistent every time everywhere.
 
Jeepers... it amazes me the creative ways people find to get around the system. On an early lap I just grazed the wall on the back straightaway and my time was invalidated right away, so I figured these city circuits would eliminate the issues we've been having. I was surprised to come here and discover one could get away with trying to take down the hairpin wall.

I felt like I had a 38.3 in me at Madrid if I really put it all together. Was going to try for that tonight but I guess I don't have to bother after all. I was hating Rome Reverse (again! :x) so putting that behind me is a silver lining in all this.

I feel bad for the people who put a lot of time in at all the tracks this week. All that effort for nothing. I was fortunate not to start this round until we got the Eifel Circuit, and even then I feel slighted. Though the time spent figuring out the physics was probably worth it in the long run.
 
kadoimmortal
I saw this happening early yesterday on one replay from some other region and was waiting to see how fast it would spread. It took a few hours but of course someone copied the first guy and so on and I saw myself get bumped down from 12th to 18th. I wanted to check out a ghost so I loaded DOCTOR_ILL and followed him around weird thing was it didn't count my lap after I wall rode even though I was slightly faster than my clean run and didn't go red. I started to test it during clean runs when I would have a slow lap to see what kind of time it made up and oh **** :scared: it counted and I was faster than I expected.:guilty: If I could take it back I would until I hear something from PD first but too late now.

Isn't it weird how we let the eifel cutting go like no big deal and now everyone is up in arms about wall riding. As soon as someone took to the grass there everyone else followed. I was watching some top drivers here on GTP use the grass cuts but nobody was criticizing that. If we are gonna complain about exploits lets keep it consistent every time everywhere.
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I fully agree with you kado and I don't blame you for doing what you did, despite it being a different path than my own.

Also, I find it humorous that no one said a word about Dr_3wide's wall bump on Rome.
 
I can assure you that I run my laps "clean." Hope to be finally joining the "fast guys" once this advantage bs is sorted.
 
Hey guys, my first post, but just also wanted to say how disgusted I am with the cheaters (as well as poor cutting/wall bouncing mechanisms). Thankfully I didn't run any laps on Madrid, and only clean laps in Rome.

Also, wanted to mention - I don't think it's possible to DQ these laps because I'm pretty sure > top 10 = no replay to Sony. Ever notice when you're starting and have a lap that's out of the top 10? The "updating ratings" window happens pretty quick. But when you post a top 10 lap, it takes a bit longer for the progress bar. I assume it's uploading the replay data for your lap....where outside of top 10 is updating the lap time only. Just a theory though.
 
Man you can sure see that the dude in the vid didn't race moto or he would have been able to bounce off that wall directly twords the exit of the turn and really made a big drop in the time ..... lol.

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