What am i doing wrong?

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I am somewhat new to Gran Turismo and recently got a g25 for christmas. Does not seem like i am really improving in skill over time. Seems as if i have hit a climax and the only thing i can do is decrease in skill.


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In this video i am doing a free run in a Subaru WRX '05 at 600pp and before this lap i had 3 warm up laps. also sorry for the shaky camera at the beginning too lazy to set up my tripod.

http://vimeo.com/3062889


Is there anything in this video that you see that i am doing wrong or not doing, that can improve my lap times by just a hair. I am not really looking for comments on improvement for Suzuka, but more on the line of driving as a whole. I know it is hard to say anything on just one lap even a million laps. But since it is my driving i could be skipping over some huge fault. If you are willing to help me and think you would be able to give better help if i were to record myself in a race or just a few laps around a track, then please say so. Just thought that i would ask here if any place.

Just thought about this. On some of my turns just to make sure that i make the it i will turn the wheel a lot, not fast but slowly get up to a max degree then slowly turn it back until i find the right angle for the turn. Can this reduce my times?

ALL comments are GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you.
 
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I am somewhat new to Gran Turismo and recently got a g25 for christmas. Does not seem like i am really improving in skill over time. Seems as if i have hit a climax and the only thing i can do is decrease in skill.


Note:
In this video i am doing a free run in a Subaru WRX '05 at 600pp and before this lap i had 3 warm up laps. also sorry for the shaky camera at the beginning too lazy to set up my tripod.

http://vimeo.com/3062889


Is there anything in this video that you see that i am doing wrong or not doing, that can improve my lap times by just a hair. I am not really looking for comments on improvement for Suzuka, but more on the line of driving as a whole. I know it is hard to say anything on just one lap even a million laps. But since it is my driving i could be skipping over some huge fault. If you are willing to help me and think you would be able to give better help if i were to record myself in a race or just a few laps around a track, then please say so. Just thought that i would ask here if any place.

Just thought about this. On some of my turns just to make sure that i make the it i will turn the wheel a lot, not fast but slowly get up to a max degree then slowly turn it back until i find the right angle for the turn. Can this reduce my times?

ALL comments are GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you.
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the thing that seems to help people the most to go faster is to practice timetrails....

so pick a car ,go to arcade mode,pick a track,download one of the top 10 ghosts,go and see where you loose time and try to improve....👍


spyrrari.
 
don't bother with the fastest times, they usually use the run-off areas to keep their speed up. best thing to do is chase your own ghost and observe what you could do differently. perhaps brake earlier, turn sharper, apply the throttle smoother.. small things, you might think, but big things consist of small things.
 
Leonidae
don't bother with the fastest times, they usually use the run-off areas to keep their speed up. best thing to do is chase your own ghost and observe what you could do differently. perhaps brake earlier, turn sharper, apply the throttle smoother.. small things, you might think, but big things consist of small things.
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dont fully agree with you there man,if you would look for example to the top 10 of all the drivers in the IFTC races from few weeks ago,there will be no cheeting involved in any of the 10 different tracks/cars combo's....:sly:

this guy is obviously stuck and needs some help,than there is nothing better than to learn from others...👍👍👍

spyrrari.
 
Thanks for the tips, guess i will try and play online more often. Guess i will start using the race chat to actually get into races with people who aren't punters and be able to play with people faster than me.
 
IMO both Leonidae & spyrrari are right.

Chasing your own ghost will show you where you can easily gain time by experimenting with different lines, gears & braking points. Watching a top 10 time lap may give you a completely different insight into how to maximize your speed - however, chasing a top 10 ghost can be frustrating & discouraging as they can be so quick you rapidly get left too far behind to be able to comprehend how they are so much quicker. :confused:

I can see many places where you could be losing a little bit of time on your lap at Suzuka, but generally the big times are made up from a bunch of little times... :sly:
 
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I am somewhat new to Gran Turismo and recently got a g25 for christmas. Does not seem like i am really improving in skill over time. Seems as if i have hit a climax and the only thing i can do is decrease in skill.


Note:
In this video i am doing a free run in a Subaru WRX '05 at 600pp and before this lap i had 3 warm up laps. also sorry for the shaky camera at the beginning too lazy to set up my tripod.

http://vimeo.com/3062889


Is there anything in this video that you see that i am doing wrong or not doing, that can improve my lap times by just a hair. I am not really looking for comments on improvement for Suzuka, but more on the line of driving as a whole. I know it is hard to say anything on just one lap even a million laps. But since it is my driving i could be skipping over some huge fault. If you are willing to help me and think you would be able to give better help if i were to record myself in a race or just a few laps around a track, then please say so. Just thought that i would ask here if any place.

Just thought about this. On some of my turns just to make sure that i make the it i will turn the wheel a lot, not fast but slowly get up to a max degree then slowly turn it back until i find the right angle for the turn. Can this reduce my times?

ALL comments are GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you.
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Hey, you do not so much wrong:) The only thing I can see = that you shift down to fast. Find yourself some YouTube videos in which those running racing, AND FOLLOW WITH how a racer running **** down, ok:) Good luck!

Sorry for mine baad ENG:(
 
Two obvious problems:
1 - You're not even giving full brake in some turns.
2 - Spending way too much time coasting, neither touching the brake or the accelerator. You shouldn't attempt to slow for an upcoming corner by letting off the gas, and there shouldn't be any time between when the accelerator goes to zero and you start hitting the brake. It's much better to tap the brake than to try and coast your way into a turn.
 
First off, your line is pretty good. One thing to remember is that everyone hits a skill plateau at some point, even professional racers at the highest level. We can't all reach that level, but always striving to improve is a great way to approach racing. 👍

Spyrrari's advice of watching top 10 replays and chasing ghosts is a good one, there's much to be learned here.

Biggles suggestion that you are losing speed a bit at a time is also accurate.

I've watched your replay a few times, and can provide a turn by turn analysis. Bear in mind that there are many here on this site who are faster than me, so my eye may be off in a few instances. Also, I find myself making some of the same mistakes as you from time to time, even after literally thousands of laps at Suzuka.

Overall comments:
- there may be a problem with your tune that is hurting your cornering speed (likely extra understeer with the STI).
- Judging from your cornering speed, it looks like you're using R3 tires, which would give you the best time trial times with most cars. Depending on car and setup, R2s may perform better in a race, where straightline speed is more important.
- Your main problem is missing apexes, usually by turning in too early or too late. Early turnin will cause an early apex and will tend to force you to run wide unless you slow down at the corner exit, killing your speed on the straight. Late turnin will lead to a late apex. This is safer, but also slower. If you have extra space at the track edge at corner exit, you probably had a late turnin.
- Suzuka is a very difficult and technical track. Some of the corners are notoriously difficult (especially Spoon and Denger). Don't be surprised that it's hard to master.

First, you'll need a map so that you'll know which corners I'm talking about:



1st curve: pretty good, maybe a bit early on the turnin
2nd curve: early turnin (not by much), accidental shift to 2nd
S curve: late turnin on first ess, causing apex miss (tires should be on rumbles); early turnin on second ess; third ess is about right, but missed apex
Anti-banking curve: looks like an early turnin, early apex
Dunlop: very early turnin -- best example of this, causing you to run wide and lift to keep it on track
Denger: Denger-A is pretty good; Denger-B you enter too fast, turn in late, with less exit speed than you could have; stay in 3rd for this corner.
Hairpin: pretty good
200R: not much here
Spoon: early turnin on the first corner, causing you to miss the turnin and apex on the second (and most important) curve. Probably the hardest corner on the course.
130R: pretty good
Casio: good line through here.
Last curve: also decent.

Note to everyone: I'd be happy to hear any comments on my commentary, as I have room to improve here too. :sly:
 
My comment:

I have noticed from looking at a variety of top ten times over the months that, confusingly, different drivers are able to achieve very fast lap times in GT5P in significantly different ways. My personal inclination , exactly contrary to The359's opinion, is to let the tires roll, on the theory that maintaining momentum & not stressing tire grip, is often faster than aggressive braking, shifting & accelerating. There seem to be faster drivers than me who favour The359's approach, & other equally fast drivers who lean more in my direction.

Hope that helps! :) :boggled:
 
- In the esses at the beginning of the course your lines are too wide. This may be the proper line in real life but in the game you can go a bit quicker through the esses by not taking ultra wide angles into every single bend

- Attack the final chicane. (Casio). You were far too soft and easy around the chicane. With a 4WD vehicle you should attack and use all of the rumble strips here. If you have 4 tires on the pavement all the way through Casio you're going too slow. Focus on exit speed

Other then that your lap looked good. While it may not be the fastest lap I'm impressed with your smoothness and the ability to drive fast effortlessly. I don't see exactly what you're doing wrong besides what I mentioned above. If you drive like that there's not many that can beat you.
 
Wow, i was not expecting nearly as much help as i am getting, amazing i thank you all.
THANKS!
 
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Not watched your replay (time for my bed) but i struggled with suzuka (and all other tracks) for a long time. I'd try harder and harder each time, but wouldn't get any faster. Until i realised that you can try too hard. Try to relax more, break early rather than late for corners, slow in, fast out. Also changing down gears when breaking for a corner, don't just run down through them quick to get the right gear for the corner, but change down slower, so you can use engine breaking to it's full effect.
 
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Thanks for the tips, guess i will try and play online more often. Guess i will start using the race chat to actually get into races with people who aren't punters and be able to play with people faster than me.
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What is this race chat you speak of?
 
I agree with Matt1245. I've always used a controller until I recently purchased a DFGT late last year. I had a ton of trouble try to get my laptimes close to my controller...I can use them interchangeably, however, the wheel was and is definitely more fun after I learned how to use it.

One of the things I noticed I was doing with the wheel was giving it the deathgrip. It felt immersive, but I didn't realize how tense I was. So I tried to relax my hands a little bit more, concentrate one getting the car at the right entry speed, and feathering the throttle until I can give it full. My smoothness and laptimes went up, and I can tell when I start to tense up, and now I can control that a little more and keep getting consistent laptimes.
 
Vaxen pretty much said it all. I would say that the exit from Spoon is what really kills your time on that particular lap. You are pretty much driving in the same way that I do when I'm not on, braking a bit too late and missing apexes.
 
save a best lap of yours and then race your own ghost but stick about 1 second away from it. This way you can see where your going wrong and which areas need improving rather than watching someone else's ghost who may have a totally different driving style to yours. This would be probably the best way to improve your times.
 
The single best piece of advice I could give you is to always think about exit speed from a corner, rather than how fast you can turn in.

Most people brake too late & too hard, and then have to use too much steering angle to make he apex (if they hit it at all). In almost all cars (MR excepted) this tends to generate understeer which just scrubs off speed. As a result of this, their actual apex speed is low and they are still carrying too much steering angle beyond the apex which causes issues with exit speed... in FR cars for example, carrying too much steering angle beyond the apex stops you getting back on the power fully. If the front tyres are 'screeching', you're most likely losing speed and time.

GT5P tends to mask this in on-line racing because of the overstrong drafting (or in the old days, because of the 'boost' or RBE)... drivers who are slow at the apex and exit get away with it as they catch up in the faster drivers draft on the subsequent straight. But in time trails, there's no place to hide.

If you want to be properly quick (in time trials AND on-line) you need to follow Spyrrari's advice...

1. Stop driving 4WD as they mask bad habits. Go get yourself in a mid powered front engined, rear wheel drive car (RX7 would be a good place to start)

2. Go to Suzuka, download one of the top 10 times and follow it in arcade time trial. Also worth watching the replay too.. I learnt a huge amount in the recent IFTC events by watching and following Dan's (Hol01) ghosts... how little steering angle he uses and how this enables him to be back on the power so much earlier.

Following your own ghost and trying out different lines might get you there eventually, but no where near as quick as following a top driver.

Good luck.
 
Brillient advice from the guys here. I think most of it has already been said so I wont repeat much.

Just think the main point I got from watching it was to attack the corners more. Get up over the curbs, turn in earlier and take more speed. There were also times (espically the harpin) where you werent on the brakes or the accelerator. Come from one straight onto another. This can be done by finding braking points around the track. Each time you see the marker, your straight from full acceleration to full brake.

Jack
 
Hey, Contex!

I am going to quote Vaxen, and add my own comments as well.

1st curve: "pretty good, maybe a bit early on the turnin." Agreed.

2nd curve: "early turnin (not by much), accidental shift to 2nd." Yup.

S curve: "late turnin on first ess, causing apex miss (tires should be on rumbles); early turnin on second ess; third ess is about right, but missed apex." Second ess is fine turn in wise, but you carry too much speed in. Thus, you pushed and had to let off. Lots of lost time here. Turn in was late for the third. You don't need to be that far left at the beginning of the anti-banking curve. Mid track is fine.

Anti-banking curve: "looks like an early turnin, early apex." If you watch, you can see that you have to adjust the car to correct the early apex. Not big., but there.

Dunlop: "very early turnin -- best example of this, causing you to run wide and lift to keep it on track" Wait a fraction of a second more, and you have this about right. Slight to no lift going into the corner, flat out the rest of the way.

Denger: "Denger-A is pretty good; Denger-B you enter too fast, turn in late, with less exit speed than you could have; stay in 3rd for this corner." Denger-B, Vaxen is spot on. Brake too late. Carry too much speed in.

130R: "pretty good." Yup.

Hairpin: "pretty good." Yup. You can attack it more, though. Be back on the gas as early as possible. A long straight follows, so max exit speed is essential.

200R: "not much here." Yup.

Spoon: "early turnin on the first corner, causing you to miss the turnin and apex on the second (and most important) curve. Probably the hardest corner on the course". I think your turnin on the first corner is fine. But you carry too much speed into the second, and miss your braking point. Thus, you go wide of the apex, understeer, and exit with low speed. That kills your time.

Casio: "good line through here." Turn in for left earlier. And lift less, if at all.

Last curve: "also decent." Yup.

Note to everyone: I'd be happy to hear any comments on my commentary, as I have room to improve here too. :sly:

Haven't taken that gen STi out. Does it not have a 6 speed?
 
yes it does have 6-speed, and I recommend shifting before redline because there's nothing left of power and torque.
 
In that case, Contex, you need to work with your gearing. 2nd should just hit 60 mph, and 6th should be about 10-12 mph off of redline at the end of the main straight. That will help right there.
 

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