What car should I use in the American Championship and Stars and Stripes?

[dcalde78]

I have a few high powered American cars, but none of them are good for these championships. Any suggestions of a car that could be used for both?

 

[Greycap]

If you're any good as a driver you can do both in the Corvette Z06. Stars And Stripes isn't that hard, the Corvette can win it as stock. All American Championship demands the fastest car you can get, in my signature there's a full power race tune for the Z06 under the name MFT C740R. It can do it, providing you can do it. It's faster than the C5R race Corvette.

 

[dcalde78]

Thanks Greycap.

But I need something with a load more power. I have the Viper GTSR Concept with over 900 horsepower, but that doesn't give enough. I need more!

 

[alhajoth]

But I need something with a load more power. I have the Viper GTSR Concept with over 900 horsepower, but that doesn't give enough. I need more!

What kind of tires are you using?
I used the stock Viper GTSR Concept with Racing mediums, and won the All American champs fairly easy.
Try to improve the car's handling, and not focus so much on the power.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

But I need something with a load more power. I have the Viper GTSR Concept with over 900 horsepower, but that doesn't give enough. I need more!

I managed to win these with the GT40 MKIV race car (poor brakes included). I didn't need anywhere near 900 horses to do it. I also did these races with a dealer-bought Viper with a wing kit attached to it.

Actually, the GTS-R Concept is a poor vehicle to use for the American Championships when its body is stock. Can you modify the downforce on it? If you can't , see if you can put a wing on it, and boost the aerodynamics to the max. This should help.

If you can't do any of this (sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the Concept GTS; haven't driven it yet) you'll need a car with modifyable downforce. As I said, I used a GT40, but you might need something like the Oreca Viper or Corvette CR5. And make sure you're using racing tires, R3s are best. 👍

The Stars & Stripes races aren't as demanding. I've won these in a variety of old muscle cars, as well as some odd "Americans" like the Acura Integra. aS Greycap said, a newer Corvette of any kind should take these with not too much work needed. Then, attach a wing, put racing tires & suspension on, add some power, and this Corvette can also be used to finish up the Am. Championships as well.

 

[Diego440]

But I need something with a load more power. I have the Viper GTSR Concept with over 900 horsepower, but that doesn't give enough. I need more!

It's fairly probable you just suck at driving. Try to improve your skills before relying on bumping walls and frying your tyres and you'll find your times and capabilities improving 👍

 

[Parnelli Bone]

It's fairly probable you just suck at driving. Try to improve your skills before relying on bumping walls and frying your tyres and you'll find your times and capabilities improving 👍

Come on...that's not fair. I'm almost certain the Viper Concept hasn't got modyfiable downforce, and therefore is a poor car to use against the Ai in the American Championships (which do feature stronger, modifyable aerodynamics). 👎

alhajoth therefore needs a more suitable car, or at least a wing kit attached to the Concept (if it will accept a wing, that is).

 

[alhajoth]

alhajoth therefore needs a more suitable car, or at least a wing kit attached to the Concept (if it will accept a wing, that is).

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As I said, I won all 5 races fairly easily using the GTSR concept. You can certainly find cars to do it with that would be even easier, but the GTSR is more than good enough in stock form, except the tires.

 

[Smallhorses]

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As I said, I won all 5 races fairly easily using the GTSR concept. You can certainly find cars to do it with that would be even easier, but the GTSR is more than good enough in stock form, except the tires.

I'll also vouch for this, I didn't make a clean sweep here in the Stock GTSR Concept as I missed out on New York since I wanted to race cleanly and refused to block. Had I done that the series would've been swept for 200 points each race. 4 out of 5 races were won easily enough for 200 points each though and required no modification to the Viper GTSR Concept at all except racing tyres, which meant my races were unsuitable for submission to the Stock Car thread.

With 900HP and racing tyres the GTSR Concept should annihilate this series, and if it doesn't, well, it's not the car's fault, but a "biological interface error."
You should practice driving clean & smooth racing lines rather than relying on brute force to win the races, or you'll definitely come unstuck when you reach GTWC in Professional hall as you cannot simply tune your way out of trouble there.

The Chaparral 2J is widely regarded as an easy ride through this series, it's plenty quick and has great grip due to the huge turbo-fans sucking it down to the track!

 

[Duke]

Thanks Greycap.

But I need something with a load more power. I have the Viper GTSR Concept with over 900 horsepower, but that doesn't give enough. I need more!

I used the stock Camaro LM for the All-American and found margins of victory in the 3-7 second range. The Camaro racer has about 620 hp, but of course it is lighter and uses downforce.

For the Stars & Stripes, I used a nuGTO with chip and NA/1 tuning on S2 tires, and won by 1.5 seconds at Seattle and Laguna Seca, and about 8 seconds at Sears Point.

 

[alhajoth]

I'll also vouch for this, I didn't make a clean sweep here in the Stock GTSR Concept as I missed out on New York since I wanted to race cleanly and refused to block. Had I done that the series would've been swept for 200 points each race. 4 out of 5 races were won easily enough for 200 points each though and required no modification to the Viper GTSR Concept at all except racing tyres, which meant my races were unsuitable for submission to the Stock Car thread.

If you pick a lineup without the Panoz, the Viper Oreca and the Chap 2J, you can win New York as well without any blocking. I raced against PAL lineup #4,
Ford GT '02
Corvette C5R
Ford GT40 '69
Ford GT spec II
Chap 2D

At New York, the GT spec II pulled up alongside me under braking for turn one, but after that I easily pulled away. This lineup allowed me to complete the whole series without any AI contact.👍

 

[inuakki]

Well I would recommend the Ford GT '05 Production Car. I won the Stars and Stripes fairly easily with it, and then once I found a good tune the All American Championship wasn't very hard at all I just recently beat these myself so the GT is definitely a good choice.

Then along with that, i'd recommend Sukerkin's Tune for the Production car:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3064129&postcount=143

As well you should buy a wing for it, a 3D CB. And put the downforce at 30 - 40. It should drive pretty well at that point. You can also get some racing tires if you'd like, but depending on the type of driver you are it's very easy to activate the snap-oversteer problem the car has.

If you pick a lineup without the Panoz, the Viper Oreca and the Chap 2J, you can win New York as well without any blocking. I raced against PAL lineup #4,
Ford GT '02
Corvette C5R
Ford GT40 '69
Ford GT spec II
Chap 2D

At New York, the GT spec II pulled up alongside me under braking for turn one, but after that I easily pulled away. This lineup allowed me to complete the whole series without any AI contact.👍

If you race it against the Panoz it'll be pretty tough to beat unless your a good enough driver. As well the Chap 2D is hard. The Viper is manageable though, and if you drive it well without crashing and what not you should be fine. 👍

 

[sukerkin]

Many thanks for the 'nod' towards my GT '05, inuakki 👍.

My notes for the All American Championship are below if they're of any use:

AMERICAN HALL

All American Championship

Series Race Prize Money 10,000 cr/Race, 35,000/Series
Prize Car: Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (C1) ’54 (21,249cr)

1) 5 Laps Seattle Rolling Start
2) 5 Laps Infineon Sports Car Rolling Start
3) 4 Laps New York Rolling Start
4) 4 Laps El Capitan Reverse Grid Start
5) 5 Laps Laguna Seca Rolling Start

Having won this a couple of times in the Camaro LM, I decided to attempt it in a non-race-bodied car. Chose the Shelby Series 1 as I reckoned that it had the straight-line speed to do the job. However, the handling was appalling !

Fitted the following hardware:

Roll Cage and Racing Suspension
Custom Gearbox, Custom LSD, 3-Plate Clutch, Racing Flywheel and Carbon Driveshaft
Racing Brakes and Balancer
Racing Exhaust, Chip and Stage 1 NA Tune (Stage 2 NA Tune from Race 2 onwards)
Racing Tyres Grade 3

After a disappointing first go at the series, which was marred by a couple of spectacular wipe-outs due to the cars predilection for snap oversteer during braking, I settled on the following suspension settings:

Springs: 9.0/7.6
Ride: 99/99
Damper Bound: 6/5
Damper Rebound: 9/8
Camber: 2.0/1.0
Toe: 0/0
Stabaliser: 5/5
Brakes: 3/2
LSD: 10/30/30
Gearbox: Default

The LSD seemed to make a big difference to the car. I was running a 1.5 LSD unit before and simply dialling in the custom kit to an MR style setting made it much better. Also, I decided that the easiest thing to change was the driving style so I simply stopped turning the steering when braking, if at all possible.

Against a grid consisting of Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca ’00, Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II ’04, Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car ’98, Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race car ’63 and Ford GT40 Race Car ’90, I made pole at Seattle by over 3 seconds.

Previous experience has been that you need to pole by five seconds to take the win as the AI qualifies without HP upgrades and actually runs much faster in the race. Try it and see. A-Spec value 200. The Shelby bounces terribly up the hill jumps – I wonder if the front suspension was bottoming out there? Took a tight win over the Esperante with a BL of 1:31.6. The other cars were well back and I think that without the Esperante to introduce stress, this could be an easy ride.

I think the Esperante will be a problem unless I increase the Shelby’s horse-power, so I fit the Stage 2 NA tune, raising HP to 503 from 426. Took pole by 5.8 seconds but found that the increase NA tune made the snap-oversteer during braking much worse – I theorise that that’s simulated engine braking locking up the rears if you drop the throttle entirely? Won 200 A-Spec Race without getting bothered by the Esperante this time. BL 1:29.1

On to New York. Poled by 3 seconds – the Esperante’s speed is going to make it tough to win here, although’ I’m sure I can make it up in the twisty stuff. A-Spec 200. Won by 0.1 seconds with a punt up the backside from the Esperante propelling me over the finishing line !

El Capitan Reverse. This track gives me some trepidation as it seems full of the type of corners and bumps the Shelby dislikes. Poled by 1.9 seconds despite a little sideways action . Victory by 0.2 seconds or so. BL 1’42.213.

Laguna Seca. This will prove very interesting in the Shelby I reckon – I might experiment with raising the ride height if qualifying proves too hairy. Poled by 3.5 seconds and, not pushing that hard, the Shelby seems okay. Let’s see if she handles the race just as well. BL 1’24.423 and an easy win.

 

[sukerkin]

The "Stars & Stripes" I 200 A-Spec'd in a second-hand Z28, the only modifications being S3 Tyres (21kg Ballast added), a Triple-Plate Clutch, Racing Flywheel and Carbon Driveshaft.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

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As I said, I won all 5 races fairly easily using the GTSR concept. You can certainly find cars to do it with that would be even easier, but the GTSR is more than good enough in stock form, except the tires.

Wooops...I meant that reply for dcalde78...the starter of this thread. Got confused.

 

[killer450235]

The Shelby Series 1 at Shogon will do the job:tup:

 

[flyingkiwi]

I have won the All-American championship with a tuned-to-the-max Ford Mustang GT '05. That was before the memory card crashed

Now, I'm doing it again, in the same car, but I forgot how much I needed to tune it. Getting my butt kicked, to be honest. Made a podium at Infiniton, but that's it so far (3 races gone).

 

[PARAGON GT]

I think for 3 of the American events I used my Mercury Cougar, only adding a little power and a better trans. I don't recall having too much pf a problem during the events.

For the American Championship I used the Corvette C5R with no additional tuning.

 

[dcalde78]

I've done the Stars and Stripes.
Thinking of getting a Chap 2J after getting another Black Beauty.
Is there an American one?

 

[killer450235]

Nope there all japan cars.

 

[mafia_boy]

I found the Buick Special was the car to have for all four championships. Very cheap, very quick stock. Just get an oil change for another 30hp+ and you're off.

 

[killer450235]

Best GM car ever

 

[Jetboy.]

I'm with sukerkin on this one, the Series 1 is deffinitey a viable route. The one I have has maybe 500 hp and can run Sub-6 min Nür runs, if you use that as any form of a benchmark (kinda irrelevant here..). I can produce the settings if you're intersted. The Saleen S7 is pretty fun if you are interested in a challenge and can conqueer the lack of downforce.

Cheers,
Jetboy

 

[dcalde78]

I've won the American Championship!
I drove a Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car '01 with Stage 3 NA Tuning,
Against:
Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car '98
Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca '00
Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II '04
Ford GT40 Race Car '69
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63.

Thanks for all of you help, you guys!

 

[killer450235]

I did the same thing at first,but it was an overkill.

 

[Duke]

I've won the American Championship!
I drove a Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car '01 with Stage 3 NA Tuning,
Thanks for all of you help, you guys!

Well, I'm glad you won it, but NA3 is definite overkill. It can be done stock in the Camaro LM. Unfortunately, I bet most of your extra power was lost to wheelspin control.

 

[dcalde78]

Well, I'm glad you won it, but NA3 is definite overkill. It can be done stock in the Camaro LM. Unfortunately, I bet most of your extra power was lost to wheelspin control.

Surprisingly, no.
I won the car with Racing Mediums. I didn't change them and they coped with the power very well. 👍

 

[Aremburgkerve]

Good job at actually completing the race, but the NA3 tuning on the LM Camaro is as the others said, complete overkill. Maybe try coming back to this series later on in your GT4 career and attempt it for more A-Spec points in a lower powered car, maybe even a stock LM Camaro, or a tuned road car for a challenge? Anyway, well done on your victory. 👍

Joe