What great cars are missing in GT7 vs all the classic garage queen fluff that will see little to no mileage in the game?

[F1nutcase]

There are tons of cars in this game that would be interesting if I were watching an episode of Wayne Carini's "Chasing Classic Cars" but have almost no Racing Simulator value. I understand this is GT's kind of MO but many in my opinion should have been round filed for more enjoyable driving experiences. I'm not interested in some anemic four banger from the 60's or 70's that turns 4 min. lap times.

I think the game is definitely missing Koenigsegg for starters.

 

[seadog777]

It's about the driving experience.

 

[timekiller001]

Any racing game has tons of cars many people are not using. Preferences are different.

 

[m76]

I have no problem with having quirky cars in games, as long as it is not at the detriment of normal car selection.

I think GT7 doesn't have a garage queen problem, it has a racing model problem. Some manufacturers only have racing models included, or much more racing models than actual road going versions. Which is a shame in my opinion.

I know online racing and esports prefers racing models, and I give exactly zero ducks about online, I expected the classic GT experience. Instead we got some Sport derivative with an afterthought of a single player campaign, that even actual GT Sport beats left right and center with its single player content right now.

 

[Samus]

The classic cars themselves are not a problem, the problem is that there are so many cars without proper competitors. PD need to be more logical about their selection for cars, not just picking one car without thinking about what it would race against. So you're left with one-make races or extreme BOP completely changing the characteristics of a car to make it fit against others.

Like they're going to add the Toyota GR010 within the next couple of months and it's unlikely they'll add any other Hypercar category cars at the same time, so the only way it'll race is with BoP against some random older cars.

 

[AmyUD06]

I voted yes, but not for the reason you may think: For me, the "fluff that I'll never drive" are all of the hypercars and most of the racing cars. Give me more '70s-'90s street cars, please.

 

[SuperSportX]

No, because while the game may not have everyones dream car(s) there are enough cars/type of cars to where your niche can be covered quite well, especially with the custom livery options.

I personally would love the see the CLK-GTR in either road or race trim, not to be confused with the CLK-LM that we already have but i'm a fan of 90s super and sportscars already so the game has my specific tastes covered pretty well as it is.

Not to mention with the DLC assuming it's monthly like GTS we could very well get 5-10+ cars a month for atleast the next year and a half. So while the game may not have cars you want now they could add them in later.

 

[Axe_Gaijin]

Different people have different tastes, how arrogant to assume we'd all be alike. The cars you don't care about might be someone else's favourite ride.
I'm personally far more interested in cars from the fifties to the nineties then anything else. I have far more fun racing a Honda S800 then any of the so called hypercars.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

I was sincerely disappointed with the lack of Nismo varients of the Skylines and Z-cars. The Nismo 400R was my go-to in GT1 and GT2!

 

[SrGS]

For me it's quite the opposite, I think GT7 has a lower number of classic cars that I wish it would have. but it's my personal point of view, I always liked racing unsual cars, tuning and making the most out of it.

Gran Turismo 7 doesn't really focus on the older models, most of the race events are built for GT4/GT3 cars, you can tune a street car to be able to race on those events but it's not so fun, since the other AI drivers are racing propper track cars.

 

[Highridin]

I want to see the new Corvette Z06, Keonigsegg One:1 (or any model), Challenger SRT Demon or some other Hyper cars to name a few off the top of my head..

 

[m76]

For me it's quite the opposite, I think GT7 has a lower number of classic cars that I wish it would have. but it's my personal point of view, I always liked racing unsual cars, tuning and making the most out of it.

Gran Turismo 7 doesn't really focus on the older models, most of the race events are built for GT4/GT3 cars, you can tune a street car to be able to race on those events but it's not so fun, since the other AI drivers are racing propper track cars.

I'd actually like to know how many of those 420 cars are racing models, but I'd not be surprised if it was more than 50%.

 

[Voodoovaj]

It's not the cars, it's the places to use them.

Single player is fine for the first, or even second go round, but it gets old fast. Public lobbies offer little variety. The dailies aren't much better, but at least they are on a schedule.

They added the 917, but it has the same issue the 330SP, GT40, etc, had before it...no where to use it. Have you ever seen a public lobby called "classic Lemans"? They dropped the single player from past versions.

GR1 is a mess, there should be at least 1 event or championship for the GR1 cars, and 1 that is different for the legends from the 90's versus the current cars, and then a classic one for the cars from the 60's and 70's.

Basically (I know this is an exaggeration) but you could buy like a dozen cars, and you can play the game until the next version comes out.

Right now, I am accumulating cars in the hope that it's worth the trouble, but I don't think it is. They'll likely never be driven, or if I do try it, I likely won't try it more than once.

Meanwhile, my GR3 RCZ and GR4 Mazda are racking up mileage like crazy.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

The classic cars themselves are not a problem, the problem is that there are so many cars without proper competitors. PD need to be more logical about their selection for cars, not just picking one car without thinking about what it would race against. So you're left with one-make races or extreme BOP completely changing the characteristics of a car to make it fit against others.

Like they're going to add the Toyota GR010 within the next couple of months and it's unlikely they'll add any other Hypercar category cars at the same time, so the only way it'll race is with BoP against some random older cars.

Many great cars are missing, but what Samus pointed out here is of utmost relevance.

What's the point of adding a Mercedes S Barker Tourer, when it's not going to have rivals in the game to make a decent event off of it?
So far the only other car that could be conveivable of being in the same class is the Alfa Romeo 8C 2900B, and that's it.

Or even the Hypercars? You have the LaFerrari... and then what else? You have McLaren and Porsche in the game and yet you don't add the P1 and the 918 Spyder why? Heck, why the heck did PD even decide to go for the P1 GTR which has much less of a fanbase than the normal road going P1?
But hey, at least the P1 GTR has rivals in the Zonda R, the Vulcan and the FXX K.

You have the CLK-LM and the F1 GTR (which mind you, aren't quite on the same class, but ok, close enough)... and then what? Where's the R390 GT1? The GT-One TS020? The V12 LMR?

Econoboxes... Mazda Demio, Toyota Aqua, Honda Fit... The only 3 newer econoboxes in the game, they didn't even add cars like these from Europe or even within Japan, which are cars a lot of people can relate to and even have them IRL. And certainly getting a hold of cars like these isn't that difficult.

Kei cars... wow, you have what? 3 of them? Suzuki Capuccino where is it?

Rally cars aside from fictional Gr. B cars? Not even a single Impreza... Not even a single Lancia or Toyota Rally cars.

Group C and LMP1 cars is actually not a bad list for either, both have about 6 each if I remember correctly. Obviously there's always big names missing like the Bentley Speed 8, the Audi R10 TDi, the Toyota 88-CV but I figure we will certainly have more of these in the game.
And you also have numerous 50s-60s-70s classics that can be in a race against each other be it both road or racing.
917k vs 330 P4 vs XJ13 vs Mark IV
250 GTO vs Cobra Daytona vs A220 vs Giula TZ2.

And, obviously, and I wouldn't forgive PD for this, you have a great list of the best JDM cars.



Overall, given they had 9 years to do all of these cars, it's way too disappointing. And worst of all, only 308 are cars that were moddeled after Real Life cars.

You have 116 cars that are complete duplicates of each other in the form of Gr3/Gr.4/Gr.B, all cars with body parts/rolling cages etc that we the players could've just as easily created in GT Auto... and others that are VGTs that don't even exist in real life and yet were cars that PD had to built from scratch to put them in the game. Basically, cars that almost not one but a minority care about and had tons of resources put into them.
Noboby wants to go to an online Lobby to show their stupid VGT or do scalpes with it and most, not even race with it... Oh and of course, there's a couple of duplicates in the form of safety cars which serve no purpose on this game but were added just for a stupid car count.

Just another thread for me to rant about the number of cars on this game.



Yes, only 308 real cars are on this game. Of which PD still managed to get duplicates in the Clio (2015 and 2016 versions) and the Supra (2019 and 2020 versions). So, to be even more technical, that's 306 (IIRC).

 

[Dave A]

In additoin to ensuring cars have sufficient competition to race against, you also need the actual events to race them. For example, we have plenty of GT1 cars in GT7 but there's no GR1 races or championships. There's no races for any of the cars over 800pp without detuning them (massively in many cases) or using settings hacks that cheat the pp system into thinking the car is a lot lower in performance than it is.

The only classic car race I can think of is the one for the Mini at Goodwood, that's a one car event on a single circuit.

So it's kind of a half job on the car front in some cases and then no job at all on the events for many cars. Of course you can custom race them, and make hardly any credits but there really is no excuse for the main capaign to be so lacking. Even if some events were single make, modle or only allowed for a small number of cars to enter, they should have covered the car list.

 

[vonMarshall]

Sorry F1Nutcase, have to disagree.

The 1970 Alfa GTA in GT5 or 6 I think, was amazing fun to drive. I also think a 1973 911 RS would be special. Agree these older cars need dedicated race series, but there is a real joy to driving them.

Something like the Koenigsegg would probably be an absolute handful to drive and truly awful on a track!

Personally I would love to see more 90’s DTM and touring cars and hope Lotus get some love soon.

 

[05XR8]

Exactly, classic muscle & pony cars with a lack of classic events for them. Classic European cars like the 300 SEL and CSL with no Spa-inspired Mission/Events.

For some reason, PD aren't even using some of the tools they've given us.

 

[jergto]

Surprised Porsche 918 and McLaren P1 are missing. Yet we have an R35 in every iteration. I'm not surprised tho, its a Japanese game and everything else takes a back seat to a Japanese car. Like Im surprised the game has so many RCF racecars when in reality that car sucks. Give me a newer C8 car and the C8.R. Even a 2020 GT500 would be nice too.

I hope the next Forza game blows GT out of the water. That way Sony tells PD to shape up or put Kaz as a principal role where he is no longer making decisions. Seems nothings changed since GT5 and 6.

 

[GleepGlop]

The thing that made GT for me was the encyclopedia of cars to drive - the slow trickle of cars into the game for Sport and GT7 has killed what I liked about the game. That, and making what cars there are, unattainable 20 million dollar cruel jokes.

 

[jergto]

The pricing of cars is stupid too, 450k for a gen 1/2 NSX? How is that car 450k and a Viper GT3 car 350k? Unbelievably backwards.

 

[Raceface1959]

In all seriousness, where's that pint sized Smart Car? It'd be a holy terror in a tiny car race. On the non existent Autumn Ring, no less.

 

[NickGuy]

Still Waiting for the chevy cruze in road and gr4

 

[WeShallNverStop]

The thing that made GT for me was the encyclopedia of cars to drive - the slow trickle of cars into the game for Sport and GT7 has killed what I liked about the game. That, and making what cars there are, unattainable 20 million dollar cruel jokes.

In the previous GT games, I would be browsing the dealerships for wayyy too long, but that's what I loved to check out first thing when a new game dropped. GT7 took that away from me since it took no time to see all the cars available (And what was just completely missing)...

 

[Rodion Raskol]

Surprised Porsche 918 and McLaren P1 are missing. Yet we have an R35 in every iteration. I'm not surprised tho, its a Japanese game and everything else takes a back seat to a Japanese car. Like Im surprised the game has so many RCF racecars when in reality that car sucks. Give me a newer C8 car and the C8.R. Even a 2020 GT500 would be nice too.

I hope the next Forza game blows GT out of the water. That way Sony tells PD to shape up or put Kaz as a principal role where he is no longer making decisions. Seems nothings changed since GT5 and 6.

The RCF GT500 race car is crap compared to the others imo. PlayStation and GT fanboy here but Forza is a better game. A Game employee talked me into buying an Xbox one and Forza as he said if I like GT I will love Forza. He was correct. Forza is the onlyXbox game I own and the controller is better for racing. I prefer the PS controller for shooters but for driving it’s best imo.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

There are tons of cars in this game that would be interesting if I were watching an episode of Wayne Carini's "Chasing Classic Cars" but have almost no Racing Simulator value. I understand this is GT's kind of MO but many in my opinion should have been round filed for more enjoyable driving experiences. I'm not interested in some anemic four banger from the 60's or 70's that turns 4 min. lap times.

I think the game is definitely missing Koenigsegg for starters.

More old classic cars, specially if they are racing cars, and far less hyper road cars for me. Also, I completely forgot Koenigsegg existed lol.

 

[talhaONE]

Or even the Hypercars? You have the LaFerrari... and then what else?

Technically any car with #road car tag is a competitor against LaFerrari. Which Means;

Lambo V12 Vgt
SRT Tomahawk S
Porsche VGT
Jaguar VGT
Aston Martin Vulcan
Lambo Veneno
Ferrari Fxx-K

Are all competitors. The list sucks but its what it is.

 

[nickg07]

Hold on I'm just finishing my 'Ring lap in my Willy's Jeep!

 

[jergto]

The RCF GT500 race car is crap compared to the others imo. PlayStation and GT fanboy here but Forza is a better game. A Game employee talked me into buying an Xbox one and Forza as he said if I like GT I will love Forza. He was correct. Forza is the onlyXbox game I own and the controller is better for racing. I prefer the PS controller for shooters but for driving it’s best imo.

My brother has a 2020 RCF, for the price he paid I gave him a hard time and could have gotten a GT500. The current GT500 can be had at MSRP, its not as bad as the GT350 days with crazy mark up.

I got an x360 just for Forza Motorsports 4. I was jealous watching people play FM3 on JustinTV, some people still say the best FM game is FM4.

 

[Voodoovaj]

There's no big picture thinking at PD, or even current game dev thinking.

This game keeps receding. On the point of competitors, the DLC could have been planned to deal with this. For example, they could have held on to the Group C cars and release them along side some SP and MP events. Same with the hypercars.

And they could have put that on a release schedule. There's no harm in letting people know that in "May 2022: (as an example) there would be a hypercar update with LaFerrari (and others) along with hypercar events.


This is technologically the best GT, best experientially the worst, and the sad part is that it would have taken about 1 day of planning to get it right.

 

[Rodion Raskol]

My brother has a 2020 RCF, for the price he paid I gave him a hard time and could have gotten a GT500. The current GT500 can be had at MSRP, its not as bad as the GT350 days with crazy mark up.

I got an x360 just for Forza Motorsports 4. I was jealous watching people play FM3 on JustinTV, some people still say the best FM game is FM4.

I’m the same. Over 200 PS games but only Forza for Xbox. Don’t like horizon, Forza Motorsport for me. Looking forward to the new one so I can play in new gen as due to the PS5 supply debacle I still can’t get a ps5.
Hoping that GT7 gets the download a tune feature. we can download liveries so why not tunes.
I do love GT7 flaws and all but its just the way AAA gaming is now, dripfeed content to keep engagement up. Hopefully we keep seeing new races and cars every update.