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what is the best way to lower pp without lseing much of your cars abilities
What is the best way to lower pp
- Thread starter bendo623924
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- Alton, Illinois
- big_noobowski924
Power limiter or removing Power adders then from there downforce. The suspension does not effect the pp despite having on of the largest effects on handling.
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- Sacormento
thanks
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- SoCal
- GTP_MooCow
With the proper suspension and brake setup and drivetrain, the best way to keep your car's performance while lowering your PP is:
ADD WEIGHT
yes adding weight and transferring it to have as close to 50/50 ratio... That's the best you can do to your car to "cheat" the system. By doing so, you not only gain more money, but you actually improve the vehicle dynamics! Yes!
Of course, going up hill is slightly affected if you have over 110 kg added, and that's when you also start noticing the weights in the corners... but you just have to drive a slightly different line and tap the brakes earlier to conserve the momentum of the car in the corners...
You will be amazed at how little the added weight actually affect the performance of your car... if you adjust your driving to correct for the added weight, you will notice just a bare difference in lap time, but a huge difference in payout!
ADD WEIGHT
yes adding weight and transferring it to have as close to 50/50 ratio... That's the best you can do to your car to "cheat" the system. By doing so, you not only gain more money, but you actually improve the vehicle dynamics! Yes!
Of course, going up hill is slightly affected if you have over 110 kg added, and that's when you also start noticing the weights in the corners... but you just have to drive a slightly different line and tap the brakes earlier to conserve the momentum of the car in the corners...
You will be amazed at how little the added weight actually affect the performance of your car... if you adjust your driving to correct for the added weight, you will notice just a bare difference in lap time, but a huge difference in payout!
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- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
With the proper suspension and brake setup and drivetrain, the best way to keep your car's performance while lowering your PP is:
ADD WEIGHT
yes adding weight and transferring it to have as close to 50/50 ratio... That's the best you can do to your car to "cheat" the system. By doing so, you not only gain more money, but you actually improve the vehicle dynamics! Yes!
Of course, going up hill is slightly affected if you have over 110 kg added, and that's when you also start noticing the weights in the corners... but you just have to drive a slightly different line and tap the brakes earlier to conserve the momentum of the car in the corners...
You will be amazed at how little the added weight actually affect the performance of your car... if you adjust your driving to correct for the added weight, you will notice just a bare difference in lap time, but a huge difference in payout!
This advice couldn't be more wrong. While having a 50/50 weight ratio may be ideal for some cars, it is not the best way to go for a lot of cars, as witnessed in the current Seasonal TT. Also, the added weight will affect your lap times, rather dramatically on some cars. Adding weight is only beneficial after you have done all weight reductions, then you can re-add the weight and shift it to either the back or front, depending on the car and drivetrain.
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- SoCal
- GTP_MooCow
I trust that you are a better driver than i am, and you know what you are talking about, therefore i am not going to contest that.
But if you are going to tell me that i am wrong, i would respectfully ask you to suggest an alternative in answering OP's question. (Bendo's question isn't specific enough)
Based on my latest observation while racing under different setup, i was simply trying to provide a solution to Bendo, without really going into the details. (Bendo's question isn't specific enough)
Bendo's question isn't specific enough, so it leaves a lot of important details to properly and correctly answer it. But in the general sense, i provided him with a generalization he can try and confirm on his own for his own need.
As far as your post goes, i believe we are in agreement even though you are trying to correct me when there isn't really a right or wrong point of reference? (Bendo's question isn't specific enough).
1) Yes the added weight will affect your lap times, but with the proper driving you can still beat the AI and maintain the lead. (Confirmed with my K-car race on Autumn Short)
2) For fast time, whether you are on FF or FR or AWD or MR etc... getting close to a 50/50 definitely gives you better vehicle dynamics and handling, especially when switching between corners... less upset and more stability for you to control the car.
3) For a given PP, whether you have heavily modified your car or lightened it or not at all, Adding weight is a simple answer to lower PP (to gain more credits) because i assume that's the only reason someone would want to lower PP.
4) your last sentence is obvious and logical, who could argue against that? But it does not answer OP question, because doing the weight reduction adds PP (you already know that and that's not what OP want) and adding back the weight just brings back the PP closer to what it was before (still does not answer OP question, but at least it's the solution i proposed already).
In sum, my response to OP was relative, not absolute... as opposed to your reply to me, which seem absolute but irrelevant to Bendo.
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- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
Ok, I was only responding to you and your advice, not the OP or anyone else in this thread. Also, I am speaking from a hot lap point of view, not in beating some dumbfounded AI. 
I told you that I thought your advice was wrong/misguided and even explained why. My intent here was only to respond to your advice, not to the OP. Besides that, fbccars924 pretty much summed it up with his simple answer. Not trying to disrespect you and sorry if my post came off as such, but from my years here with the game, tuning many different cars and my many, many Seasonals that I have successfully participated in, feel that your advice is a little misguided, or incomplete, if you will.
2) For fast time, whether you are on FF or FR or AWD or MR etc... getting close to a 50/50 definitely gives you better vehicle dynamics and handling, especially when switching between corners... less upset and more stability for you to control the car.
This is what I was specifically talking about. 50/50 weight distribution isn't always the best. Please see the current Seasonal TT and the setups posted in that thread. Most, if not all and including me, has their weight shifted to the front of the car and after weight reductions. Like I said, its different for different cars.
I told you that I thought your advice was wrong/misguided and even explained why. My intent here was only to respond to your advice, not to the OP. Besides that, fbccars924 pretty much summed it up with his simple answer. Not trying to disrespect you and sorry if my post came off as such, but from my years here with the game, tuning many different cars and my many, many Seasonals that I have successfully participated in, feel that your advice is a little misguided, or incomplete, if you will.2) For fast time, whether you are on FF or FR or AWD or MR etc... getting close to a 50/50 definitely gives you better vehicle dynamics and handling, especially when switching between corners... less upset and more stability for you to control the car.
This is what I was specifically talking about. 50/50 weight distribution isn't always the best. Please see the current Seasonal TT and the setups posted in that thread. Most, if not all and including me, has their weight shifted to the front of the car and after weight reductions. Like I said, its different for different cars.
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- Lewis_Hamilton_
Just skimmed through the replies here quickly and agree with CargoRatt, adding weight is not the best way to reduce PP. To add to that, neither is using the power limiter by large amounts.
In my opinion, the best way of lowering PP is to remove parts that add the most amount of torque to the engine. Such an example would be uninstalling the Racing Air Filter, and instead swapping that part for an upgraded exhaust or catalytic converter. If your car is pretty much stock, instead of fitting a turbo or supercharger, fit the racing ECU, racing exhaust and catalytic converter instead. You'll have about the same amount of horsepower but with a little less torque, and a lower PP number.
If you have downforce or a rear wing installed, lowering the downforce or removing the wing reduces the PP considerably. Another thing to do would be to not fill the car up with fresh oil or rebuild it when it reaches high mileage. Replacing the oil or rebuilding the engine adds a substantial amount of torque back to the car and therefore hikes up the PP.
Edit: OK, read through the replies properly now and again I'm going to have to side with CargoRatt. While weight distribution deends entirely on the car's drivetrain and handling characteristics, as well the circuit you're racing on, I generally favour a biased weight distribution at the rear of the car. 50/50 is good, but 45/55 (for example) I would say is better in almost all cases, unless it's an FF car.
In my opinion, the best way of lowering PP is to remove parts that add the most amount of torque to the engine. Such an example would be uninstalling the Racing Air Filter, and instead swapping that part for an upgraded exhaust or catalytic converter. If your car is pretty much stock, instead of fitting a turbo or supercharger, fit the racing ECU, racing exhaust and catalytic converter instead. You'll have about the same amount of horsepower but with a little less torque, and a lower PP number.
If you have downforce or a rear wing installed, lowering the downforce or removing the wing reduces the PP considerably. Another thing to do would be to not fill the car up with fresh oil or rebuild it when it reaches high mileage. Replacing the oil or rebuilding the engine adds a substantial amount of torque back to the car and therefore hikes up the PP.
Edit: OK, read through the replies properly now and again I'm going to have to side with CargoRatt. While weight distribution deends entirely on the car's drivetrain and handling characteristics, as well the circuit you're racing on, I generally favour a biased weight distribution at the rear of the car. 50/50 is good, but 45/55 (for example) I would say is better in almost all cases, unless it's an FF car.
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