Well i think Foraz 3 is the best racer IMO. I`ve compared the two, to my standards and no one else`s to see how I feel about them. I`ve had all the GT series games, even the ones that were only released in Japan, and did the browser trick to get the Japanese demo on a american PS3. I`ve had all the Forza games as well. GT started to make me love racing games even though I was knee deep in the Need 4 Speed series, until Shift what a piece of crap. When you compare GT`s A-spec to Forza`s Career mode Forza kills it. A-spec 45 races, Forza`s Career well over 100! There is so much to do when it comes to racing and you can use so many cars to those tracks. Gt is a great game, it`s just put together sloppily. P.D. has been away from the gaming scene so long making GT5, that they got out of touch with what the community wants. I mean 1031 cars and only 45 a-spec races? I read online that Turn 10 is watching GT5 closely, seems they want the crown of king racer and it seems that PD left the door open. Don`t forget competition brings great games for us all. Would`nt it be great if all racers were 10`s...my girlfriend would kill me!