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- witkot
I just started to run extreme hall and I cant find any difference compare to , say, professional hall or some manufacturers races. I was expecting something really hard. Wheres the catch?
whats so extreme about extreme races?
- Thread starter masterwsiokhege
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- bramturismo
Well, basically the races in here contains more powerful cars, the most expensive or most earning races (F1) or races with most restrictions. Race length also gets longer if I'm not mistaking. Anyway, there are alot of people who think these races are far too easy, however, numbers of threads have been made that they were stuck. So, one finds it easy, and the other finds it difficult 
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That's right
For example, in order to race in the....(you know with the exotics, supercars)
you have to spend at least 100,000 cr. (Ok, maybe a bit less) Extreme races are difficult only in B-spec.
Generally, GT4, it's not difficult (to win a race, a championship), but it's too big so it requires weeks or months to complete.
See above(GT_Jim,Ultrashot)
GT4 is not that hard after playing through Beginner and Professional hall and getting all gold you got so much better that the races that come next are a piece of cake. Point of all this: GT4 helps you to win races that's why some people think that the races are easy
GT4 is not that hard after playing through Beginner and Professional hall and getting all gold you got so much better that the races that come next are a piece of cake. Point of all this: GT4 helps you to win races that's why some people think that the races are easy
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- Grabsplatter
Total laps makes Extreme Hall look fairly extreme - only the endurance hall is more extreme laps-wise (if you take out the three 24 hour races they are about the same)
Endurance Hall >2900
Extreme Hall 1318
European Hall 387
Professional Hall 270
Japan 230
SC Hall 210
Japanese Hall 169
Germany 107
Beginner Hall 89
Britain 80
France 79
USA 65
American Hall 48
Korea 11
Italy 7
Edit: Actually if you take out the FGT series (1038 laps) that only leaves 280 laps so maybe its not really extreme lap-wise after all. Perhaps they should have just called it Professional Hall Part II?
Endurance Hall >2900
Extreme Hall 1318
European Hall 387
Professional Hall 270
Japan 230
SC Hall 210
Japanese Hall 169
Germany 107
Beginner Hall 89
Britain 80
France 79
USA 65
American Hall 48
Korea 11
Italy 7
Edit: Actually if you take out the FGT series (1038 laps) that only leaves 280 laps so maybe its not really extreme lap-wise after all. Perhaps they should have just called it Professional Hall Part II?
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- witkot
See above(GT_Jim,Ultrashot)
GT4 is not that hard after playing through Beginner and Professional hall and getting all gold you got so much better that the races that come next are a piece of cake. Point of all this: GT4 helps you to win races that's why some people think that the races are easy
Yes, I guess youre right... More sweat during practice , less blood in battle or something like this
One more thing came into my mind after racing another series in extreme hall. It may be the races length in connection with tyre wear. They are not as long as those in GTWC but the number of laps is such that there is no use in pitting thus last 2 laps you must drive on dark yellow tyres ( well, I use RMs) with EXTREME caution or anything can happen.
- 6,009
- Austin, Texas
- D-Nitrate / GTP_DNitrate
I know... where are the laser canons and rocket launchers?
There in lies the great design of GT4, and a significant improvement over GT3, in that in most races you not only have a wide range of AI cars to race against which can be reset by exiting and re-entering the event - thus changing the challenge level - but even more importantly, for most GT4 events, you can use a wide range of cars, mods, and/or tuning set-ups, such that GT4 leaves it up to each player to decide how much of a challenge they want.Anyway, there are alot of people who think these races are far too easy, however, numbers of threads have been made that they were stuck. So, one finds it easy, and the other finds it difficult
Those that criticize GT4 for being too easy obviously select AI fields, cars, mods, and/or set-ups that make most of the races easy. That's their fault, not GT4.
- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
And that's were the big "A- speccers" will come in.
masterwsiokhege: I suggest you try and find those guys, lots of them have it their signature, saying for example "200 A-spec races" or "A-spec club", whatever. Someone like these people is Smallhorses, he always seems to find a way to make an easy race, an incredibly tough one.
I also recommend you to take a look at this: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62070
It's "Club 200", in here, you'll find various combinations of cars and challenges which make up to 200 A- spec points, if, you manage to win them. All the people in there have done an incredibly job on that list, something which sometimes gets forgotten. Lots of time was spend on it.
Basically, the more A-spec points you get, the tougher the competition. A very simple example is the 24h La Sarthe race. Should I race it with a stock Toyota GT-ONE, I probably wouldn't get more then 80-100 points, depending on wether the competition is LM-GTP/LMP or Group C (older and faster race cars).
Should I add weight to the car, ballast, the A-spec points given for this race will rise, because of the fact I'll have a disadvantage towards the competition and thus, I'll get more A-spec points. However, should I equip this car with 1100 Bhp, the given A-spec points will get smaller, because I'll now have a big advantage over the competition. So, a very simple yet incorrect in some ways is:
+disadvantage = +A-spec points.
Just check out that club, try one of their challenges and then say again that GT4 is easy
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masterwsiokhege: I suggest you try and find those guys, lots of them have it their signature, saying for example "200 A-spec races" or "A-spec club", whatever. Someone like these people is Smallhorses, he always seems to find a way to make an easy race, an incredibly tough one.
I also recommend you to take a look at this: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62070
It's "Club 200", in here, you'll find various combinations of cars and challenges which make up to 200 A- spec points, if, you manage to win them. All the people in there have done an incredibly job on that list, something which sometimes gets forgotten. Lots of time was spend on it.
Basically, the more A-spec points you get, the tougher the competition. A very simple example is the 24h La Sarthe race. Should I race it with a stock Toyota GT-ONE, I probably wouldn't get more then 80-100 points, depending on wether the competition is LM-GTP/LMP or Group C (older and faster race cars).
Should I add weight to the car, ballast, the A-spec points given for this race will rise, because of the fact I'll have a disadvantage towards the competition and thus, I'll get more A-spec points. However, should I equip this car with 1100 Bhp, the given A-spec points will get smaller, because I'll now have a big advantage over the competition. So, a very simple yet incorrect in some ways is:
+disadvantage = +A-spec points.
Just check out that club, try one of their challenges and then say again that GT4 is easy
👍
- 6,009
- Austin, Texas
- D-Nitrate / GTP_DNitrate
That's excellent advice Ultrashot, and I would only add that A-spec points can help determine how challenging a race is, but it actually isn't all that great. The problem with the A-spec race points is it is based on a formula that doesn't take in account a great deal of important driving characteristics and performance capabilities of the cars. It also is effected by ALL the AI cars, when it should only take in account the best AI car in the field... as that is what car you have to beat to get the A-spec points.
The result of this is that there are actually many car/track/AI combos that will not only give you 200 A-spec points, but will be incredibly easy to win. While at the same time there are also many car/track/AI combos that will only give you less than 25 A-spec points, and in some cases, impossible to win using that specific car, and AI field.
I am confident that the group threads that Ultrashot mentioned have identified this issue, and will probably let you know which are easy 200 pointers and which are not - but don't rely on the A-spec points listed at the start of any race as an accurate gauge for the difficulty of that specific race.
Ultimately, the best way is to familiarize yourself with the performance capability of the AI cars, try out different cars/set-ups, and/or read other peoples experience. Doing so will insure that you end up enjoying the kind of races you desire.
The result of this is that there are actually many car/track/AI combos that will not only give you 200 A-spec points, but will be incredibly easy to win. While at the same time there are also many car/track/AI combos that will only give you less than 25 A-spec points, and in some cases, impossible to win using that specific car, and AI field.
I am confident that the group threads that Ultrashot mentioned have identified this issue, and will probably let you know which are easy 200 pointers and which are not - but don't rely on the A-spec points listed at the start of any race as an accurate gauge for the difficulty of that specific race.
Ultimately, the best way is to familiarize yourself with the performance capability of the AI cars, try out different cars/set-ups, and/or read other peoples experience. Doing so will insure that you end up enjoying the kind of races you desire.
- 10,838
- Belgium
- bramturismo
Excellent info, +Rep 👍
- 6,009
- Austin, Texas
- D-Nitrate / GTP_DNitrate
Thanks, but you deserve it more than I, so I'm +REPing you back for the excellent advice and links.
ADDED: I just remebered another useful thread that may help in finding challenging close racing:
Stock car race comparison/challenge
ADDED: I just remebered another useful thread that may help in finding challenging close racing:
Stock car race comparison/challenge
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- witkot
And that's were the big "A- speccers" will come in.
masterwsiokhege: I suggest you try and find those guys, lots of them have it their signature, saying for example "200 A-spec races" or "A-spec club", whatever. Someone like these people is Smallhorses, he always seems to find a way to make an easy race, an incredibly tough one.
I also recommend you to take a look at this: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62070
It's "Club 200", in here, you'll find various combinations of cars and challenges which make up to 200 A- spec points, if, you manage to win them. All the people in there have done an incredibly job on that list, something which sometimes gets forgotten. Lots of time was spend on it.
Basically, the more A-spec points you get, the tougher the competition. A very simple example is the 24h La Sarthe race. Should I race it with a stock Toyota GT-ONE, I probably wouldn't get more then 80-100 points, depending on wether the competition is LM-GTP/LMP or Group C (older and faster race cars).
Should I add weight to the car, ballast, the A-spec points given for this race will rise, because of the fact I'll have a disadvantage towards the competition and thus, I'll get more A-spec points. However, should I equip this car with 1100 Bhp, the given A-spec points will get smaller, because I'll now have a big advantage over the competition. So, a very simple yet incorrect in some ways is:
+disadvantage = +A-spec points.
Just check out that club, try one of their challenges and then say again that GT4 is easy
Youre goddamn right man!!! I know all this, and knowing my driving skills I am not touching neither 200 A specers club nor 100K challenge
But, you clearly misunderstood my point. I didnt say extreme races ( or GT4 itself) were easy. All I said was they werent more difficult then some other races which are not marked " extreme". Througout the game I hardly did any mods to cars I drive, tried not to choose overkill ( rather the waekest of the pack) cars and sometimes it took a lot of time and effort to win particular races. And of course Im not as good a driver as Smallhorses or other GT4 wacos
but believe me , I am not avoiding a challenge either. So thats why I was a bit dissapointed that even 160 A spec and more races in extreme hall were pretty easy to win. But , on the other hand , in the next series it was much harder to win a 50 something points race. But that was mentioned by Nitrate...- 22
- witkot
Hey, Ultrashot. I just checked this link you posted. To be honest, I have won all the Premium Lounge races with the BMW M3 GTR that is mentioned there. I stiil think it was pretty easy though...
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