whats the point of the Concepts and jalopy's??

[drivingmeinsane]

the concept cars are REALLY confusing me, what's the point of having so many concept cars in the game when you cant sell them for anything and there are no races just for the concepts or jalopy's.
i'd say i haven't even raced 95% of them coz their so damned ugly...

i would sooner see more classic cars in the game such as the Jensen Healey, 541-r, FF, Jaguar S-Type, Jag/Daimler sovereign 4.2, V12 VDP (Vanden Plas), Granada 2.8, Tickford Capri, Opel Monza, McLaren F1 road car, etc etc etc...


to many classic cars to choose from...

 

[Parnelli Bone]

the concept cars are REALLY confusing me, what's the point of having so many concept cars in the game when you cant sell them for anything and there are no races just for the concepts or jalopy's.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'jalopy', but yea...I agree with you on all the concepts. It sucks..you often can't sell them for credits, even if you just spent hours going thru licenses or racing and that's what you won. And in many cases, they can't be raced. 👎 I REALLY WANTed to race the Plymouth Prowler and Caterham, for instance. Can't do it.

It seems to be a problem with the additional steering, suspension, and driver movements necessary to make these cars "work" in the game. The game can render these cars if you race them on an empty track, but there's too much information being tossed around if one were to try racing them with other cars on the track. The PS2 can't keep up with all this rendering, basically.

Also, PD seems to have considered these concepts to be "non-production cars", which they are. Which is why you can't often race such cars as the Cadillac Cien (or many others which technically should be okay to race).




EDit: just noticed you're from London. In America, the word "jalopy" is rarely used. It's a term my father used to use to describe an old-fashioned hot rod type car with fenders removed and such, but I'm not sure what the official meaning is supposed to be. Not for Europeans, anyways.

 

[SaberFire]

Jalopy usually means "broken down car barely held together by rust" in most cases.

Aside from the monetary value and the lack of races the cars can enter, there's one benefit. I mean, I don't think there are many other places where I can take a Ford GT90 (okay, that was GT2) for a spin around a track, virtual or non

 

[drivingmeinsane]

Jalopy as in, the Model T ford and to some extent, the Benz carriage...there is absolutely no point to these "cars" being in the game unless they include a specific race for them...


at the end of the day, there's just way to many concept cars in the game.

 

[dylansan]

Uh, what about the fact that you can drive them? Racing is not the only thing this game does, and concept cars are just a capable for time-trial type runs as regular cars. And the "jalopy's" are there because Kaz wants the game to be an automotive encyclopedia. He wants player to be able to know what driving the cars is like.

 

[Famine]

at the end of the day, there's just way to many concept cars in the game.

There's just the right amount for the beginning of the day, the middle of the day and that bit around teatime that no-one has a name for just before the news.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

There's just the right amount for the beginning of the day, the middle of the day and that bit around teatime that no-one has a name for just before the news.

The "teatime" part must be one of those British moments.

 

[ultrataco]

GT is almost as much a car collecting game as a racing game. Similar to the way NFS has become known for tuning.

That said, I'd rather have more fun-to-drive cars (997 GT3, Ariel Atom, etc) and less cars that are in "just because" (minivans, econoboxes, etc) .

 

[Pierced Lead]

True, GT especially GT4 is like a car encyclopedia, and sometimes I do feel I'm collecting cars just for a collection, not a sport.

Some concept cars are really fun to drive, like the Auto Union, MTR, Cien and Caterham (if it is) and HSR-II, around the 'Ring, even when alone, it's not particularly boring.

 

[Radracing]

Hey put 16 of the Benz carriage in a short track in a one lap race I bet you guys will find something fun to do with them. Oh, I don't know do some power slides..LOL or smash into each other to see if you can roll them over, maybe in a snowy rally track in a drift competition,

Just use your imagination, maybe cruise around the tracks and view the lovely trees.💡

 

[imtheleprechaun]

I've always thought it was apropriate that they called GT "The Real Driving Simulator" and not "The Real Racing Simulator" because the physics and the realistic driving is what they put the most effort into and to be honest, the racing isn't really that great. The AI barely qualifies as such, just following the one line with no regard for the player whatsoever. The AI cars are literally glued to the road too, even if you totally ram them at high speed going into a corner, somehow they still manage to stay on the road. Lapping backmarkers is likely to get you rammed from behind under braking, assuming you don't get pushed off the side of the track lapping them in the first place. Only 6 opponents on tracks like the Nurburgring and Le Sarthe, on any track even? Doesn't sound like a really great race to me.

Of course the real culprit for a lot GT4's failings, (not all of them(!), but certainly the unrace-ability of the higher-poly'd cars and perhaps the AI's utter stupidity also), is the lack of grunt on the PS1 and PS2, and so be it I guess - there's only so much the hardware can do. It just makes me sad that GT4 will never be ported to another platform (coughPCcough), because as awesome as it is, it has so many little issues here and there that really need to be addressed to make it the over-the-top-spectacular racing game that it ought to be. The hardware limitations would be gone so every issue that's due to that would could fixed overnight probably. And a PC port would allow for all the other little annoyances to be fixed too. *sigh/shrug*

Sorry if I've wandered a bit off topic, GT4 is totally awesome, but it's got so many issues it's depressing. edit: Anyway, the point was that GT, up to GT4 at least (I don't have a PS3 so can't comment wrt post-GT4) has always been more about the driving than the racing. So to answer the question "what the point of these cars you can't race?", they're there so you can drive them, because driving (fast, admittedly) is what the game's really all about.

 

[ultrataco]

yeah, I spend most of my time in GT doing time trials, because I just enjoy driving. Also because the ai is not so smart. It's like they are controlled by a computer...er...an old, blind computer.

 

[Jonn 79]

Jalopy = Hoopty

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yea I know it's called real driving simulator, but I just wanna race my Caterham and Prowler. Caterhams are actually raced in real-life, which only increases my desire. Grrrr

 

[SaberFire]

Blame PD for being lazy and not finding a way to render more than two of them at the same time

 

[dennisw]

Yea I know it's called real driving simulator, but I just wanna race my Caterham and Prowler. Caterhams are actually raced in real-life, which only increases my desire. Grrrr

I agree, i want to race my caterhams!

 

[DaneGT-R]

Uhmmm... 💡 !!! Wouldn't be a good idea if you could race the Caterham (which I love) with a soft-top on? Like the ones on the Shelby Cobra 427...

 

[GTsail]

What about the 2022 Nike One?

I always wished I could take it around a track.

I bet it would lay down some rubber!

And once laced up it would fit the driver like a glove.

Do you think it has leather seats?

GTsail290

 

[dylansan]

What about the 2022 Nike One?

I always wished I could take it around a track.

GTsail290

You can, just not with other cars.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

What about the 2022 Nike One?

I always wished I could take it around a track.

I bet it would lay down some rubber!

And once laced up it would fit the driver like a glove.

Do you think it has leather seats?

GTsail290

I drove it a couple times around Fuji and some other track. It's interesting for a few minutes.

But the bottom line is I fire up my PS2 with GT4 in it to RACE. I eventually get bored driving around an empty track (TCV5 stuff not included).

 

[Pitracer100]

I drove it a couple times around Fuji and some other track. It's interesting for a few minutes.

True, the Nike car is a blast for 5 minutes with the 8 gears
and the high speed of 160 mph. After that its back to collecting somewhat useless cars in some peoples opinion.👎

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I'm sure the people designing each car's physics must have had a blast creating the Nike car, for sure. It must have been alot more fun for them than it is for us.

That being said, I do appreciate it in the game. I appreciate the 1889 Benz, and all the other "useless" cars. They lend some uniqueness to GT4 that will probably never be replicated again in a videogame.

 

[MinoltaMan89]

The Nike would be a lot better if it had more torque and a longer gearbox, but it is a lot of fun to drive.

 

[niky]

I love useless cars...

There's nothing quite like taking the "Tank Car" for a spin around a track. Tremendous understeer... power oversteer... the turning circle of... well... not a tank... tanks can spin on the spot... more like a Fire Truck...

Some of the reasons you couldn't drive some concepts against other cars is due to the graphical limitations of the PS2. Models like the Caterham and Tank Car, with fully realized interiors and moving drivers, pushed the limits of the graphics engine. They may be able to get around this for GT5, though...

I can't wait.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yea that Tank Car is kinda fun. Drove that sucker around High Speed Ring and Seattle. Again, I'd rather race the silly thing than just drive it, but it is an interesting one for sure.

 

[homeforsummer]

It just goes to show - no matter how much content you provide, some people will never be happy...

 

[Sniffs]

'you can't drive the high poly cars except in time trial'...HORSEHOCKEY!

Oh, YES you can! have you guys ever used the ARCADE mode when you just wanna goof off? try running your open wheelers in arcade mode. you'll only get a one on one, but your still racing! and one-on-ones give you an automatic top down. even the otherwise useless Toyota Motor triathalon car can be done (it drags out in the 170's or so on the test loop)
here's a funn little suggestion. screw around on the dirt tracks with the Nike One. the little booger is wahoo-level fun on the rally tracks.

 

[DK]

I like some concepts...especially the 2001 Tokyo Car Show GT-R Concept.